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For opposing India's entry into NSG, likely China is sticking its gun for Pakistan and showing its defiance toward US.
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For opposing India's entry into NSG, likely China is sticking its gun for Pakistan and showing its defiance toward US.
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The more defiance China shows against US, the faster would US businesses move from China to India. I still cannot understand how China would benefit with this stance.
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That is mercantile attitude, which China never followed. China will always try hard to improve economic environment, but not at the cost of its core interests. It has suffered through much worse hostility.
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India will have a say in SCO.
1) It can prevent SCO taking decisions that are inimical to its interests
2) It can influence SCO in taking decisions that would enhance its interests
3) Enhance its ties with Central Asian republics
But you should remember today's China is built on the vision of Deng Xiaoping not Mao Zedong.
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Deng was also the one threatening war against UK on the Hong Kong issue and the one who ordered the crackdown on June 4th 1989 which sent west-China relationship into ice age.
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Your statement complements what I am saying. Investments came to China due to business friendly policies of Deng but sanctions were imposed when China took opposing stance. Now with India opening up economy further with 100% FDI policies and full convertibility on the cards, China would loose its shine in attracting and retaining businesses. Such adversarial stance against the West would surely expedite this realignment.
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And it's a good thing Deng Xiaoping did that, since the lease for Hong Kong island was basically forever. They weren't going to give it back in the first place, but Deng's threat worked perfectly.
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All I am saying is that China is willing to sacrifice business to protect its core interest. Also China isn't against all west, just US. And that wouldn't happen had not US started hostility against China first. Just as Chinese spokesman often says. "we don't want trouble but we aren't afraid of trouble, either".
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Now by opposing India's NSG application, how did China protect its core interests? I can understand Hong Kong being core interest for China but what is the core interest in this case?
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Only one country left and that is Iran and once Iran is part of SCO we are ready to counter NATO. As soon as Iran is part of us then you guys will see IPC pipeline in no time and it will boost China in terms of secure oil supply and give Pakistan $$ and oil as well.
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The Significance of Full SCO Membership for India
Photo Credit: Reuters/達志影像
Sumit Kumar
Sumit Kumar is an ICSSR Doctoral Fellow at the UGC Centre for Southern Asia Studies, Pondicherry University.
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From combating extremism to securing access to large energy reserves, India hopes to play a constructive role in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.
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When Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi went to Tashkent on a two-day visit last month to attend the annual summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), both Indian media and foreign policy experts mainly focused on his meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping (習近平) as a part of India’s efforts to secure China’s support for its membership in the Nuclear Supplier Group (NSG). In the process, the significance of the SCO meeting for India did not get proper attention.
The SCO came into existence in 2001 when the Shanghai Five (China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia and Tajikistan), founded in 1996, was renamed after the inclusion of Uzbekistan. One of its primary objectives is to promote cooperation among member countries in the security sphere, especially to deal with the “evils” of terrorism, separatism, and extremism. It is true that during the 15 years of its existence, the SCO has not made much headway. However, with the presence of two economic and military powers – China and Russia – as well as some oil and gas reach countries – Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan – the SCO is viewed to play a leading role in shaping the future of Central Asia.
In fact, while aware of its objectives and limitations, at the Tashkent summit held in June the SCO leaders cleared the final process for India’s induction as a full member of the organization. In turn, India’s inclusion will strengthen the organization for various reasons. At a time of economic downturn across the globe, India’s rapidly growing economy can play an important role in improving the economic conditions of the member countries of the organization. As India imports 80% of its oil, it can be a major destination of oil exports for Russia, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan. With New Delhi at the SCO, Russia could finally succeed in stopping China from using the SCO to promote its economic interests. Russia, meanwhile, has been facing a recognition crisis as a global power ever since it was hit with sanctions by western countries and was ousted from the G8. As Moscow views the SCO’s as a getaway to regaining its lost international legitimacy, India’s induction would further enhance Russia’s stature in the international arena. The presence of India, the world’s largest democracy, would give unbound legitimacy to the organization as well.
For India, Central Asia is not merely an extended neighborhood. This region, in fact, has huge economic, security and energy importance for New Delhi and has assumed added significance in the Modi government. This is evident from the fact that Prime Minister Modi visited five Central Asian republics in 2015. Thus, induction into the SCO as a full member will greatly help New Delhi in achieving its vital national interests.
The Central Asia region has abundant natural resources and minerals. Apart from having huge hydrocarbon fields, this region is home to an estimated 4% of the world’s natural gas reserves and approximately 3% of oil reserves. Most of these resources are found in Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan. Of course, there is stiff completion among countries to ensure their access to these resources. India, which has an acute need for energy resources to sustain and increase its economic growth, sees this region as a vial source of oil, gas and other natural resources. The SCO could also facilitate the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India (TAPI) pipeline.
With its experience fighting terrorism for decades, India can share its expertise with other SCO countries on how to deal with the menace of terrorism. India could also benefit through its cooperation with the SCO on those issues. Given close geo-strategic proximity with the Central Asia, Indian security experts believe that clouds of insecurity in the region would automatically endanger India’s peace and security also. This concern has in fact increased significantly with the rise of jihadist groups like ISIS in Central Asia, their links with terrorist organizations like Taliban and others in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Since the SCO has established a Regional Anti-Terrorist Structure (RATS) with the aim of containing terrorism, India can benefit from this agency of the SCO in getting intelligence information on terrorist activities. Annual joint military exercises among the member states would provide valuable operational insights. The situation in Afghanistan continues to pose huge security concerns to India. With the ouster of NATO forces from Afghanistan and Afghanistan being a priority for the SCO, New Delhi believes that the organization can play an active role in promoting peace and security in Afghanistan. India can utilize the forum to expose China’s double standards on this issue by not taking tough action against Pakistan, known as a breeding ground for terrorism in South Asia.
The SCO would also help India in effectively dealing with issues like piracy, cyber security, drug-trafficking control and others.
As a full member of the SCO, India would be in a position to plan its policy to effective deal with China’s ambitious One Belt, One Road (OBRO) initiative, which Beijing hopes it will join, and “China Pakistan Economic Corridor” (CPEC). In this regard, the contraction of the International North South Transportation Corridor (INSTC) could prove to be of high significance for New Delhi, as it will facilitate the ship, rail and road route for moving freight between India, Russia, Iran, Europe and Central Asia.
Its inclusion would help India to further cement its ties with Russia – a times-tested friend, given the fact that there have been growing concerns among sections of Russia foreign policy experts and strategists that New Delhi is more focused on forging bilateral relations with Washington than with Moscow. At the same time, induction into the SCO would further strengthen India’s position as a promoter of a multilateral global order. While India has deepened its presence in the Central Asia market, India still has prospect for huge commercial benefits in the areas of banking, food processing, construction works and others. Centrally, the SCO is seen as a gateway to promoting India’s economic ties with the region.
It is evident now that while the inclusion of India will further boost the organizational capacity of the SCO, New Delhi would get an opportunity to enhance its role as a big power in the 21st century.
First Editor: J. Michael Cole
Second Editor: Edward White
http://international.thenewslens.com/article/43687
China has already developed cold feet. Russia-Iran-India block would be too formidable for China-Pakistan to handle.
Iran would not be allowed into SCO until Turkey is ready for SCO.
China-led bloc keeps Iran at arm's length despite Russian backing
TASHKENT The Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO), a China-led security bloc, refused to initiate Iran's accession on Thursday despite a request from Russia which backs Tehran's bid, indicating possible divisions between Beijing and Moscow.
The bloc has served a platform for Moscow and Beijing to project influence in the region. But unlike Russia, China may be reluctant to give it a strong anti-Western flavor.
Iran has long knocked at SCO's door and Russia has argued that with Western sanctions against Tehran lifted, it could finally become a member of the bloc which also includes four ex-Soviet Central Asian republics.
"The Russian position is clear in its support of initiating the SCO admission process (for Iran) without delays, if possible," Bakhtiyor Khakimov, a special SCO envoy of Russian President Vladimir Putin, told reporters as leaders of the bloc's member countries met in Uzbekistan.
"We failed to reach an agreement with our colleagues this time, but the work continues."
Khakimov said there were no objections to the idea "in principle", but there were "technical nuances" related to the timing. He did not name the objecting parties.
A Chinese diplomat who also spoke to reporters in Tashkent on Thursday declined to comment on Iran's bid. But Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi, who visited Uzbekistan last month for a lower-level SCO meeting, said Beijing wanted to focus on the ongoing accession of India and Pakistan before moving on.
(Reporting by Denis Dyomkin and Mukhammadsharif Mamatkulov; Writing by Olzhas Auyezov; Editing by Robin Pomeroy
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-uzbekistan-sco-idUSKCN0Z9213
Putin Seeks To Include China, India, Iran In Fledgling Eurasian Union
The roughly $4 trillion Eurasian Economic Union was the brainchild of Kazakhstan leader Nursultan Nazarbayev. It was first proposed after the fall of the Soviet Union, of which Kazakhstan was one of the larger members. But while Nazarbayev may see it more as a means to bring foreign investment into a country that’s more known for the film Borat than for its cities and landscapes, Russia’s view of the EEU is more of an “iron curtain” of sorts against European Union influence within Russia’s political orbit.
To date, Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Armenia and Kyrgyzstan are the only members. Putin’s offer is not for full integration of China and others into the EEU. He called it a Eurasian Partnership agreement, which on the surface looks a bit like the U.S. Trans-Pacific Partnership deal with the Pacific Rim countries ex-China.
Investors should watch to see if this is mere Putin political rhetoric, or if the Chinese are going to hop on board
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapo...ran-in-fledgling-eurasian-union/#139288db5641
The Significance of Full SCO Membership for India
Photo Credit: Reuters/達志影像
Sumit Kumar
Sumit Kumar is an ICSSR Doctoral Fellow at the UGC Centre for Southern Asia Studies, Pondicherry University.
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Why you need to know
From combating extremism to securing access to large energy reserves, India hopes to play a constructive role in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.
Listen to this article
When Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi went to Tashkent on a two-day visit last month to attend the annual summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), both Indian media and foreign policy experts mainly focused on his meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping (習近平) as a part of India’s efforts to secure China’s support for its membership in the Nuclear Supplier Group (NSG). In the process, the significance of the SCO meeting for India did not get proper attention.
The SCO came into existence in 2001 when the Shanghai Five (China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia and Tajikistan), founded in 1996, was renamed after the inclusion of Uzbekistan. One of its primary objectives is to promote cooperation among member countries in the security sphere, especially to deal with the “evils” of terrorism, separatism, and extremism. It is true that during the 15 years of its existence, the SCO has not made much headway. However, with the presence of two economic and military powers – China and Russia – as well as some oil and gas reach countries – Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan – the SCO is viewed to play a leading role in shaping the future of Central Asia.
In fact, while aware of its objectives and limitations, at the Tashkent summit held in June the SCO leaders cleared the final process for India’s induction as a full member of the organization. In turn, India’s inclusion will strengthen the organization for various reasons. At a time of economic downturn across the globe, India’s rapidly growing economy can play an important role in improving the economic conditions of the member countries of the organization. As India imports 80% of its oil, it can be a major destination of oil exports for Russia, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan. With New Delhi at the SCO, Russia could finally succeed in stopping China from using the SCO to promote its economic interests. Russia, meanwhile, has been facing a recognition crisis as a global power ever since it was hit with sanctions by western countries and was ousted from the G8. As Moscow views the SCO’s as a getaway to regaining its lost international legitimacy, India’s induction would further enhance Russia’s stature in the international arena. The presence of India, the world’s largest democracy, would give unbound legitimacy to the organization as well.
For India, Central Asia is not merely an extended neighborhood. This region, in fact, has huge economic, security and energy importance for New Delhi and has assumed added significance in the Modi government. This is evident from the fact that Prime Minister Modi visited five Central Asian republics in 2015. Thus, induction into the SCO as a full member will greatly help New Delhi in achieving its vital national interests.
The Central Asia region has abundant natural resources and minerals. Apart from having huge hydrocarbon fields, this region is home to an estimated 4% of the world’s natural gas reserves and approximately 3% of oil reserves. Most of these resources are found in Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan. Of course, there is stiff completion among countries to ensure their access to these resources. India, which has an acute need for energy resources to sustain and increase its economic growth, sees this region as a vial source of oil, gas and other natural resources. The SCO could also facilitate the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India (TAPI) pipeline.
With its experience fighting terrorism for decades, India can share its expertise with other SCO countries on how to deal with the menace of terrorism. India could also benefit through its cooperation with the SCO on those issues. Given close geo-strategic proximity with the Central Asia, Indian security experts believe that clouds of insecurity in the region would automatically endanger India’s peace and security also. This concern has in fact increased significantly with the rise of jihadist groups like ISIS in Central Asia, their links with terrorist organizations like Taliban and others in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Since the SCO has established a Regional Anti-Terrorist Structure (RATS) with the aim of containing terrorism, India can benefit from this agency of the SCO in getting intelligence information on terrorist activities. Annual joint military exercises among the member states would provide valuable operational insights. The situation in Afghanistan continues to pose huge security concerns to India. With the ouster of NATO forces from Afghanistan and Afghanistan being a priority for the SCO, New Delhi believes that the organization can play an active role in promoting peace and security in Afghanistan. India can utilize the forum to expose China’s double standards on this issue by not taking tough action against Pakistan, known as a breeding ground for terrorism in South Asia.
The SCO would also help India in effectively dealing with issues like piracy, cyber security, drug-trafficking control and others.
As a full member of the SCO, India would be in a position to plan its policy to effective deal with China’s ambitious One Belt, One Road (OBRO) initiative, which Beijing hopes it will join, and “China Pakistan Economic Corridor” (CPEC). In this regard, the contraction of the International North South Transportation Corridor (INSTC) could prove to be of high significance for New Delhi, as it will facilitate the ship, rail and road route for moving freight between India, Russia, Iran, Europe and Central Asia.
Its inclusion would help India to further cement its ties with Russia – a times-tested friend, given the fact that there have been growing concerns among sections of Russia foreign policy experts and strategists that New Delhi is more focused on forging bilateral relations with Washington than with Moscow. At the same time, induction into the SCO would further strengthen India’s position as a promoter of a multilateral global order. While India has deepened its presence in the Central Asia market, India still has prospect for huge commercial benefits in the areas of banking, food processing, construction works and others. Centrally, the SCO is seen as a gateway to promoting India’s economic ties with the region.
It is evident now that while the inclusion of India will further boost the organizational capacity of the SCO, New Delhi would get an opportunity to enhance its role as a big power in the 21st century.
First Editor: J. Michael Cole
Second Editor: Edward White
http://international.thenewslens.com/article/43687
China has already developed cold feet. Russia-Iran-India block would be too formidable for China-Pakistan to handle.
Iran would not be allowed into SCO until Turkey is ready for SCO.
China-led bloc keeps Iran at arm's length despite Russian backing
TASHKENT The Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO), a China-led security bloc, refused to initiate Iran's accession on Thursday despite a request from Russia which backs Tehran's bid, indicating possible divisions between Beijing and Moscow.
The bloc has served a platform for Moscow and Beijing to project influence in the region. But unlike Russia, China may be reluctant to give it a strong anti-Western flavor.
Iran has long knocked at SCO's door and Russia has argued that with Western sanctions against Tehran lifted, it could finally become a member of the bloc which also includes four ex-Soviet Central Asian republics.
"The Russian position is clear in its support of initiating the SCO admission process (for Iran) without delays, if possible," Bakhtiyor Khakimov, a special SCO envoy of Russian President Vladimir Putin, told reporters as leaders of the bloc's member countries met in Uzbekistan.
"We failed to reach an agreement with our colleagues this time, but the work continues."
Khakimov said there were no objections to the idea "in principle", but there were "technical nuances" related to the timing. He did not name the objecting parties.
A Chinese diplomat who also spoke to reporters in Tashkent on Thursday declined to comment on Iran's bid. But Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi, who visited Uzbekistan last month for a lower-level SCO meeting, said Beijing wanted to focus on the ongoing accession of India and Pakistan before moving on.
(Reporting by Denis Dyomkin and Mukhammadsharif Mamatkulov; Writing by Olzhas Auyezov; Editing by Robin Pomeroy
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-uzbekistan-sco-idUSKCN0Z9213
Putin Seeks To Include China, India, Iran In Fledgling Eurasian Union
The roughly $4 trillion Eurasian Economic Union was the brainchild of Kazakhstan leader Nursultan Nazarbayev. It was first proposed after the fall of the Soviet Union, of which Kazakhstan was one of the larger members. But while Nazarbayev may see it more as a means to bring foreign investment into a country that’s more known for the film Borat than for its cities and landscapes, Russia’s view of the EEU is more of an “iron curtain” of sorts against European Union influence within Russia’s political orbit.
To date, Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Armenia and Kyrgyzstan are the only members. Putin’s offer is not for full integration of China and others into the EEU. He called it a Eurasian Partnership agreement, which on the surface looks a bit like the U.S. Trans-Pacific Partnership deal with the Pacific Rim countries ex-China.
Investors should watch to see if this is mere Putin political rhetoric, or if the Chinese are going to hop on board
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapo...ran-in-fledgling-eurasian-union/#139288db5641
We said we will veto India in the NSG, so we did it.
We did not say we will veto India in the SCO, so we won't.
It's good for India to join the SCO and come under China's thumb, vulnerable to our veto once again.And also to show India as an enemy to US/NATO.
Think Tank title doesn't suit you idiot. Time will tell how arrogance of china will lead to twiddling its thumb . Your country is NO super power, its destined to collopase with its immature style of leadership
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LOL, thanks for joining our AIIB and our SCO anyway, even after we vetoed you in the NSG.
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