India's accession to SCO begins

[Chinese-Dragon]

Isn't it ironic that China was able to veto India's case in NSG, an organization that US created and controls while could not veto India's case in SCO, an Organization that China itself created and controls.

We said we will veto India in the NSG, so we did it.

We did not say we will veto India in the SCO, so we won't.

It's good for India to join the SCO and come under China's thumb, vulnerable to our veto once again. And also to show India as an enemy to US/NATO.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Why are you copy pasting same thing in every thread? Why are you so insecure?
We are not going sign CISMOA/LSA or atleast in its full form. India threatened US regarding Paris climate agreement not china. China invited India as full member back in 2012, nothing to do with NSG.



http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/a-pa...e-nuke-club-nsg-member-by-year-end-us-1423155
thediplomat.com/2016/05/india-sends-stealth-warships-to-south-china-sea

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/goebbelslie.html

 

[dadeechi]

We said we will veto India in the NSG, so we did it.

We did not say we will veto India in the SCO, so we won't.

It's good for India to join the SCO and come under China's thumb, vulnerable to our veto once again. And also to show India as an enemy to US/NATO.

Very feeble argument

China did try to get Pakistan into SCO while keeping India out of SCO but thanks to the push by Russia due to it's close relations with the previous Congress government in India, China did not have any option but to grudgingly accept India's case along with Pakistan's.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Very feeble argument

China did try to get Pakistan into SCO while keeping India out of SCO but thanks to the push by Russia due to it's close relations with the previous Congress government in India, China did not have any option but to grudgingly accept India's case along with Pakistan's.

In SCO its not just Russia that backs India.

But also Tajikistan which hosts an Indian Airforce base and Kazakhstan which sees India as a counterweight to China.

Plus Kyrgyzstan is part of Russian Militiary alliance CSTO, hence will not oppose Russians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organization

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Very feeble argument

China did try to get Pakistan into SCO while keeping India out of SCO but thanks to the push by Russia due to it's close relations with the previous Congress government in India, China did not have any option but to grudgingly accept India's case along with Pakistan's.

That's what you guys said for the NSG too.

Anyway, thanks for still joining our organization even after we vetoed you there.

 

[Agent_47]

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

Seems like he is telling the lie himself

 

[dadeechi]

That's what you guys said for the NSG too.

Anyway, thanks for still joining our organization even after we vetoed you there.

Well Russia was successful in getting India into SCO by tying India's case with that of Pakistan's while China tried the same trick by tying Pakistan's case with that of India's in NSG but has not succeed yet.

I would only give credit to China only if it can get Pakistan into NSG along with India. The jury is still out on this one.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Seems like he is telling the lie himself

Yep, that's what you guys have been saying over the past few days as well.

China cannot block India's NSG entry.

 

[dadeechi]

In SCO its not just Russia that backs India.

But also Tajikistan which hosts an Indian Airforce base and Kazakhstan which sees India as a counterweight to China.

Plus Kyrgyzstan is part of Russian Militiary alliance CSTO, hence will not oppose Russians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organization

Well I was not discounting the support from other Central Asian republics but It was Russia's power that made it happen. When China initiated SCO, Russia saw it as a competing Organization to CSTO.

Hence, Russia saw merit in India's case for SCO to balance the China's increased influence in SCO when it wanted to include its trusted ally (Pakistan). China needed to assuage Russia's concerns by including it and its views.

Unfortunately, if we were to play the same scenario today we can be assured that Russia would not be pushing India's case in SCO. That is tragedy with the failed India foreign policy today.

PS: Note that India's military base in Tajikistan is at the pleasure of Russia.

Amazing. India agreed to sign the CISMOA/LSA and grant American troops access to Indian military bases, in exchange for the NSG seat. Also replacing Russia as their top defence partner with America, angering Russia.

Now they turned around and joined the SCO, pissing off America/NATO.

No wonder America didn't live up to their promise to get India the NSG seat. Everyone knows how the US/NATO feels about the SCO, India has basically aligned themselves against the allies they just picked up a few months ago.

Your reasoning is incorrect.

True, there is no incentive for US to push India's case for NSG membership. But this lack of interest is not due to India joining SCO but the current incumbent government is West leaning hence US can rest easy at least until 2019. Currently. US is very placed to extract all the agreements/deals from India without giving any concessions in return.

no one is pissed anywhere. Except china of course. And SCO will eventually turn out to be dud like AIIB. Congrats, when it comes to make us burn our money on your kooky schemes you're excellent.

US is the biggest winner in this round while China being the biggest loser.

Chinese veto in NSG has given the biggest boost and ammunition to the anti-Chinese voices in India. This means that now Chinese forum's like SCO, BRICS and AIIB are susceptible to US influence via India.

China has surely shot its own foot.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

It seems that in return for China vetoing India at the NSG, India still wants to be under China's thumb in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, and declare themselves as opponents of US/NATO (even after signing their sovereignty away to American military bases).

Man I'm seriously loving Indian diplomacy right now. It's just win after win!

Instead of talking Biiig big things, maybe you should work out a way of reimbursing us the money we're paying to silly things like AIIB and SCO. This $hit is getting expensive now.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Instead of talking Biiig big things, maybe you should work out a way of reimbursing us the money we're paying to silly things like AIIB and SCO. This $hit is getting expensive now.

LOL man we didn't force India to join the AIIB and the SCO.

We are building these organisations from scratch. New members join because they think it will benefit them.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

LOL man we didn't force India to join the AIIB and the SCO.

We are building these organisations from scratch. New members join because they think it will benefit them.

Of course you forced us. In diplomacy it is the norm that you sit at every freaking table of every large initiative that any big country, no matter how dumb it is. Tell me, is it not true that for decades you tried the same (along with more likeminded countries actually) with ADB? That one flopped. Now with even lesser likeminded countries and lots forced in you're repeating that. This one's even lamer. It's been around for a few years now. Did anyone bother to ask it what the world will be with Brexit? Nope- but IMF and world bank- they're all giving interviews to set the tone of the world economy. Soon much success after so much money given.

and then we also put USD 10 billion in the BRICS Bank- the sort of money that could entirely fund the purchase of Rafale jets

 

[AMCA]

We said we will veto India in the NSG, so we did it.

We did not say we will veto India in the SCO, so we won't.

It's good for India to join the SCO and come under China's thumb, vulnerable to our veto once again. And also to show India as an enemy to US/NATO.

SCO unlike NATO is a divided house with non having any mutual interests whatsoever. Speaks a lot when India, Pakistan and China come under the same umbrella. May be we can use SCO to voice against the western stand on Climate Change. Anything other than that is just a dream. The only benefit India gets is another platform to voice against terror.

Lol. Do you think we would wantedly walk into Chinese pit?

 

[nang2]

Well I was not discounting the support from other Central Asian republics but It was Russia's power that made it happen. When China initiated SCO, Russia saw it as a competing Organization to CSTO.

Hence, Russia saw merit in India's case for SCO to balance the China's increased influence in SCO when it wanted to include its trusted ally (Pakistan). China needed to assuage Russia's concerns by including it and its views.

Unfortunately, if we were to play the same scenario today we can be assured that Russia would not be pushing India's case in SCO. That is tragedy with the failed India foreign policy today.

PS: Note that India's military base in Tajikistan is at the pleasure of Russia.



Your reasoning is incorrect.

True, there is no incentive for US to push India's case for NSG membership. But this lack of interest is not due to India joining SCO but the current incumbent government is West leaning hence US can rest easy at least until 2019. Currently. US is very placed to extract all the agreements/deals from India without giving any concessions in return.



US is the biggest winner in this round while China being the biggest loser.

Chinese veto in NSG has given the biggest boost and ammunition to the anti-Chinese voices in India. This means that now Chinese forum's like SCO, BRICS and AIIB are susceptible to US influence via India.

China has surely shot its own foot.

I don't think China shot itself in foot. China isn't that powerful. US certainly wants to make sure China never will. It is just power struggle. One doesn't get to win every time. I think China played well this time. It needs to counterattack somewhere when it was attacked upon. Thanks to imperial Japan, China learned how to prevail in an underdog's game.

Pakistan just got full membership. India will soon be if it sees it is for Indian's benefits.

 

[dadeechi]

I don't think China shot itself in foot. China isn't that powerful. US certainly wants to make sure China never will. It is just power struggle. One doesn't get to win every time. I think China played well this time. It needs to counterattack somewhere when it was attacked upon. Thanks to imperial Japan, China learned how to prevail in an underdog's game.

But by opposing India's application, China has taken the first step in pushing India more towards US. At the end of the day what did China achieve? India would still continue to do business in nuclear field with its NSG waiver.

From military perspective, India does not receive any benefits from NSG as it receives from its MTCR membership which allows it buy missiles and UCAVs from US, France & Russia.

Pakistan just got full membership. India will soon be if it sees it is for Indian's benefits.

Pakistan got full membership of what?