Right, and what ground realities would those be? That there are violent protests going on Kashmir? The UN documented torture stories of rape and murder by Indian security forces in Jammu and Kashmir? The refusal to accept there is unrest among a certain section of Kashmiris and blaming it all on my ignorance of "ground realities" is a cheap cop out that I did not except from a personality such as yourself.
Thank you for the back-handed compliment. Please restrict these to your favourites in future. When I say something, you may be sure that I have very good reasons to say it, and it is not a bit of idle propaganda.
There is no role of the UN in Kashmir, and it is surprising that you bring UN-documented torture stories. That there is unrest among a certain section of Kashmiris is not in question; what is in question is that it is representative of all Kashmiris or even of a majority of Kashmiris, here the reference being to the Kashmiri Muslims of the Valley. If you had any personal experience, or personal knowledge, or any vicarious knowledge of a region in the grip of terror, you would know that a small, violent minority dictates terms to everybody else. Including to a large and passive majority that wishes for good governance, and, as far as political and social desires and goals are concerned, that wishes for a restoration of the autonomy that should have been Kashmir's by constitutional right, for the restoration of the dignity of the individual or group subjected to numerous security checks even on functioning thoroughfares, and for the addressing of the corruption that has hollowed out Kashmiri society.
You seem to be unaware, or to be unwilling to identify these as realities on the ground. That is specifically what I meant, and by sneering at me you change nothing on the ground. At best, it might give you the satisfaction that an urchin gets by pissing in the park and proving that he can do so without harm - unless, of course, he is unlikely enough to have a policeman standing right behind him.
I don't need to explain anything, the large protests in Jammu and Kashmir are enough explanation.
No, you don't need to explain anything. Merely an incessant repetition of fantasies will gain you your point. I accept that by your standards you are being perfectly logical and expressing yourself in irresistible terms.
The need for thousands of troops and an ongoing insurgency are enough to deflect any ignorance of the ground realities in Kashmir on my part.
That is why you don't need to explain anything. The need for thousands of troops has been clearly and explicitly written. Your own knowledgeable observers have acknowledged that numbers quoted are exaggerated. They have also pointed out how many soldiers Pakistan herself has on the borders, and the figures match, as far as soldiery is concerned. In addition, there are some 100,000 counter-insurgency troops and policemen involved; you might like to compare that to Pakistan's deployment in KP or even to the deployment of Rangers and other para-military personnel in Karachi, proportionate to the population of those places.
The ratio will shock you, but I am confident that you do not have the self-confidence, or the faith in your own so-called arguments.
Nothing can "contradict" the fact that there is a insurgency and tension and violence in Jammu and Kashmir for a particular reason. Blaming that all on my refusal to agree with your narrative or my ignorance is a clear simplification of "ground realities".
Nothing is needed to be done to contradict the "facts", since those who wish to wallow in a self-righteous soup are enjoying themselves too much to step out of the wallow.
That's fine by me, as at the end of the day you are an Indian and I am a Pakistani, and we will always stick to our own national narratives which is probably why this conflict will never be solved. Enjoy the rest of your evening.
Precisely what I mean by being tied to your own prejudices. If you have not investigated my attitude to reality and facts, especially on matters relating to India and Pakistan, you know nothing and are not equipped to enter a discussion entertaining, as you do, your own little prejudices as canonical truths revealed to you personally.
Nothing so blind as those who refuse to see.
Come on, Yar you already know my opinion on this. I have already stated numerous times that Pakistan and indeed the majority of Hurriyat leaders lost the good will of the majority of Kashmiris when they chose to deliberately turn this national struggle in to that of a Jihad of a particular sect. Come now, don't put me together with the others just because I refuse to accept Indian acquisition of Jammu and Kashmir. I am just butthurt from the injustices committed during Dogra regime and my hatred for them has just been transferred to the Indian side even though I have no qualms in accepting Indian rule is a thousand times better, nay it would be an insult to even compare the two. My only reasoning and logic is that the Kashmiris have the right to self determination, IF they want it. Just like the Indians had when they agitated against the British, or any other people in the world. My view of Kashmir conflict is not clouded by a mirage of religious fantasies but a more nationalist one. Even though, I try hard not to let a jingoistic narrative take over my feelings.
Your reasoning is emotionally tenable, not legally.
No.
I am explaining in the simplest possible terms an insult to one whose skin and whose vocabularies protect him equally from insult.
