India's 700,000 Army for Kashmir Occupation, while Pakistan Freely recruits from Azad Kashmir!

[Joe Shearer]

Dude do you have any idea around Indian economy?
In another thread you were quoting the 21 billion India spends on Kashmir while we also spend 51 billion on UP.
We are spending just 1.7 percent on the defense which is still less than your net defense spending.

Repeating the same stuff does not change the ground reality. India can very well afford to continue to have Kashmir. We are not buying weapons per se, exclusively for Kashmir. If not for Kashmir we would still be having the same amount of armed forces owing to size and population of India. In Kashmir they are just being put to use.

Do you think our missile defense programs, high end fighter planes are meant for Kashmir, they are the major share in our defense spendings. At the same time it is forcing Pakistan to increase its defense budgets pushing its economy to brink.


Lol posting from conspiracy sites which also have articles like

David Icke’s argument of alien-controlled 1% Illuminati bloodlines

This is called height of desperation dude.

Please look up the date of Tara Dorabji's article. It is one of the hardy perennials.

 

[Menace2Society]

I am Kashmiri I Love My India My govt My Land My Army

I Don't give dam What a Pakistani think

You are not Kashmiri. You are like Afghan refugee in Pakistan. Go back to Kerala

 

[Signalian]

Less than 300,000. I can provide you a brigade by brigade analysis.

Sure, with numbers of BSF, CRPF, IAF personnel, local police and any other security forces.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Those 700,000 are all indian occupier terrorists. Death to 7 lakh indian occupier terrorists scum roaches.

How did you get the figure of 700,000? That seems rather high!

 

[Hellfire]

Who is the member who posted? and I checked your communication but didn't find anything unusual - perhaps I am missing something.

The third member named in the conversation, whise post you quoted earlier where you tagged



How did you get the figure of 700,000? That seems rather high!

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/indias-7...rom-azad-kashmir.446172/page-13#ixzz4IUiYk0NQ

He knows it. Just trolling as usual

 

[Joe Shearer]

Go ask them. Shall I point you to the right section?

LOL.

BAD @waz !

 

[Hellfire]

Sure, with numbers of BSF, CRPF, IAF personnel, local police and any other security forces.

Given by me earlier also in another thread and by @Joe Shearer in a number of threads

LOL.

BAD @waz !

Yeah, I laughed at that one.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Sure, with numbers of BSF, CRPF, IAF personnel, local police and any other security forces.

Including those. There are too many flights of imagination about Kashmir

Are you looking for the Valley only, or for all of Kashmir? And formations not to be broken up between Kashmir state and other nearby states, or strictly those within Kashmir state?

I've given this information to far less intelligent members, no reason why I shouldn't share this with you.

You are always free to disbelieve these ORBATs of course!

700,000 man army is a huge army

Divide by 23,000 to get the number of divisions. Then look up the number of infantry divisions in the entire Army. Take out 58 battalions (1,000 per battalion) of RR and around 60 battalions of CRPF (1,000 per).

You'll be shocked at the number you get.

Who produced this 700,000 number out of his arse?

Thi

These roads railways, airport,and other health stuff is for 700000 Indians soldiers so they travel on mean time to kill Kashmiri peoples, any warfare analyst guys will understand good travel network is required for battle field, from so called loc or siachen otherwise shortage of stock may left 700000 trrps in misry as they do suicide dew to stress

Can you explain how you got the figure of 700,000 Indian troops?

 

[Signalian]

Including those. There are too many flights of imagination about Kashmir

Are you looking for the Valley only, or for all of Kashmir? And formations not to be broken up between Kashmir state and other nearby states, or strictly those within Kashmir state?

I've given this information to far less intelligent members, no reason why I shouldn't share this with you.

You are always free to disbelieve these ORBATs of course!

Indian security forces in the Jammu and Kashmir and Ladakh region. [one coloured (fawn)]


Exclusions (Do not inlcude):
Himachal Pardesh (india)
Punjab (India)

 

[SQ8]

Including those. There are too many flights of imagination about Kashmir

Are you looking for the Valley only, or for all of Kashmir? And formations not to be broken up between Kashmir state and other nearby states, or strictly those within Kashmir state?

I've given this information to far less intelligent members, no reason why I shouldn't share this with you.

You are always free to disbelieve these ORBATs of course!



Divide by 23,000 to get the number of divisions. Then look up the number of infantry divisions in the entire Army. Take out 58 battalions (1,000 per battalion) of RR and around 60 battalions of CRPF (1,000 per).

You'll be shocked at the number you get.

Who produced this 700,000 number out of his arse?

The 700k figure came up first during the 90's uprising. That too due to an overestimate of the number of people kept in the line as BSF, Police and everyone else with an Indian flag became part of the 700k. That does not mean that there is not a substantial presence that could be in the six figures(or more if the LoC flares up) but a lot of it is rotating troops and in certain cases forward deployment. I would not take 500k troops as serious but it could be a realistic figure if one looks at say a situation such as Kargil where it is a large conventional mobilisation of what are substantial regular troop numbers.

The Kashmir population is around 12 million of which at maximum 1 million could be taken as potential "dissidents" based on how the Indian government behaves. The Pakistan Army was able to control a much larger dissident population in erstwhile BD using only 70000 so this figure is more propaganda than anything else.

That being said, the 70000 had a very open hand depending upon the morality of the OC sector, whilst the hands for the IA were only untied in the 90s and now recently. Where the dissent was actually quite quelled during the period of the previous government because the Youth were allowed to avail all the facilities of an Indian citizen(and more). Now, they have erased all that effort of the past and my whatsapp conversations with those on the ground prior to the internet blackout suggest that it is not getting any better; even the types who only care for calm as long as their business is going are now getting agitated.

That is never a good sign.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Indian security forces in the Jammu and Kashmir and Ladakh region. [one coloured (fawn)]


Exclusions (Do not inlcude):
Himachal Pardesh (india)
Punjab (India)
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Fair enough. Brief heads-up - details follow after I've cleaned up (myself).

XIV Corps with two divisions in the north, one in Kargil, one in Leh;
XV Corps with two divisions in the Valley, in Kupwara and in Baramula;
XVI Corps with three divisions, but only two in J&K, at Rajauri and in Jammu (one more in Una in Himachal, not counted)

15,000 fighting troops per division, 8,000 support troops per division, so 23,000 highest headcount for infantry division.
That's (2+2+2=) 6 divisions, 138,000 regular soldiers.

Add another 58 battalions of counter-insurgency troops, drawn from the regular Army, the Rashtriya Rifles, at 1,000 per battalion - 58,000.

Add another 60 battalions of central reserve police force (CRPF) = 60 x 1,000 = 60,000.

A minuscule number of local police. BSF detachments on the borders.

That's 138,000 + 118,000 = 256,000 soldiers. Less than 300,000.

Even if you add 100,000 on the strength of the local police and the BSF and use reductio ad absurdum, it's still less than 456,000.

This figure was first mentioned by the well-known military analyst, Arundhati Roy, in full flow, and has entered urban legend since that time. Nobody, no commentator, has managed to figure out why they are using it.

PS: the whole police strength of West Bengal was 48,000. Add another three battalions of Eastern Frontier Rifles, at one time legendary for their discipline and elan: 3,000. Total 51,000 in a border state with Naxal problems (Naxalbari is a part of Darjeeling district; there is even an actual tea estate called Naxalbari Tea Estate). BUT XXXIII Corps is headquartered there, so add three divisions, 69,000 troops, plus the HQ staff of Command HQ at Fort William. So that's 120,000 in WB, compared to 256,000 in J&K.

UP has more security than J&K.

 

[Hellfire]

15,000 fighting troops per division, 8,000 support troops per division, so 23,000 highest headcount for infantry division.
That's (2+2+2=) 6 divisions, 138,000 regular soldiers.

Add another 58 battalions of counter-insurgency troops, drawn from the regular Army, the Rashtriya Rifles, at 1,000 per battalion - 58,000.

Add another 60 battalions of central reserve police force (CRPF) = 60 x 1,000 = 60,000.

A minuscule number of local police. BSF detachments on the borders.

That's 138,000 + 118,000 = 256,000 soldiers. Less than 300,000.

Even if you add 100,000 on the strength of the local police and the BSF and use reductio ad absurdum, it's still less than 456,000..

@Sarge the figures for the divisions are of old ORBAT prior to restructuring and downsizing. And the figure is assuming 100% availability, whereas standard not more than 75% is always a working figure.

@Joe Shearer i had tagged you earlier. There are 62 RR units ... That is 62000 troops.

I would not take 500k troops as serious but it could be a realistic figure if one looks at say a situation such as Kargil where it is a large conventional mobilisation of what are substantial regular troop numbers.

Selectively quoting. At the time of Kargil and slightly prior, few Assam Rifles units were operational as also in Kargil two divisions were inducted from North East that is 20 and 27 mountain ex 33 Corps, to bolster the numbers, which were again deinducted shortly thereafter along with AR units (phased draw down started in Gujral era).

The figure by @Joe Shearer is off by 15-20% as downsizing and rationalisation of forces took place and standard division today may not field more than 18000 troops by a stretch.

Realistically not more than 300,000 at 100% availability, can be the overall force levels in J&K as a whole.

The figure for vale proper can be rationalised by collating data as provided by @Joe Shearer

 

[Signalian]

Fair enough. Brief heads-up - details follow after I've cleaned up (myself).

XIV Corps with two divisions in the north, one in Kargil, one in Leh;
XV Corps with two divisions in the Valley, in Kupwara and in Baramula;
XVI Corps with three divisions, but only two in J&K, at Rajauri and in Jammu (one more in Una in Himachal, not counted)

15,000 fighting troops per division, 8,000 support troops per division, so 23,000 highest headcount for infantry division.
That's (2+2+2=) 6 divisions, 138,000 regular soldiers.

Add another 58 battalions of counter-insurgency troops, drawn from the regular Army, the Rashtriya Rifles, at 1,000 per battalion - 58,000.

Add another 60 battalions of central reserve police force (CRPF) = 60 x 1,000 = 60,000.

A minuscule number of local police. BSF detachments on the borders.

That's 138,000 + 118,000 = 256,000 soldiers. Less than 300,000.

Even if you add 100,000 on the strength of the local police and the BSF and use reductio ad absurdum, it's still less than 456,000.

This figure was first mentioned by the well-known military analyst, Arundhati Roy, in full flow, and has entered urban legend since that time. Nobody, no commentator, has managed to figure out why they are using it.

PS: the whole police strength of West Bengal was 48,000. Add another three battalions of Eastern Frontier Rifles, at one time legendary for their discipline and elan: 3,000. Total 51,000 in a border state with Naxal problems (Naxalbari is a part of Darjeeling district; there is even an actual tea estate called Naxalbari Tea Estate). BUT XXXIII Corps is headquartered there, so add three divisions, 69,000 troops, plus the HQ staff of Command HQ at Fort William. So that's 120,000 in WB, compared to 256,000 in J&K.

UP has more security than J&K.

Facing PA forces are :
10 Corps
FCNA (4 Brigades)
12th Infantry Div (6 Brigades)
19th Infantry (3 Brigades)
23rd Infantry (3 Brigades)

Roughly 126,000 Troops.
Paramilitary are GB scouts numbering 2500 troops.

Further East are :
30 Corps
8th Infantry Div (3 brigades)
15th Infantry Div (3 Brigades)
These are used to protect the flanks of 10 Corps from East as well as protect the junction of Kashmir and Punjab so its not only facing Indian troops from kashmir but also 26th infantry Div at Jammu and 29th Infantry Div at Pathankot of 9 Corps India.

 

[navtrek]

despite all this so called development, the people are still telling you to f off, whilst here in azad kashmir, as a proud resident i can tell you we love pak armed forces without precondition.

because India dosent train and send terrorists to your side. The Indian army is deployed because of Pakistan if not Kashmir would be a very developed state by now and people would have loved their armed forces.

 

[Wet Shirt Contest]

Where did the figure 700,000 come from?

i think 700,000 is exaggerated