Indians arrested for Facebook post on Mumbai shutdown

[laiqs@mi]

where the hell is freedom of speech in maha india the secular country

 

[Jackdaws]

Jack, we did not "kick" the Brits out. Nor as Jay romanticizes, did we "win" our Freedom.

The Brits left because we were too much of a nuisance at a time they had other things on their plate closer home.

That is the unvarnished truth.

Secondly, both our Constitution and our Supreme Court are very clear on the Freedom of Speech.

It is not absolute.

And comes with caveats.

We are an evolving democracy and we will do what needs to be done.

Everything else is Ivory Tower jhola-wadi debate best done with a cutting chai in hand under a banyan tree along with other temporarily unemployed cynics and rebels.

Who need to get a life.

Well, actually we kind of forced them to leave. Churchill was adamant to keep India but he lost the election to Attlee. There was a tremendous amount of pressure from Roosevelt to grant India independence. But the final nail in the coffin of the British Raj was the Bombay Naval Mutiny in support of the trial of the 3 officers of the Indian National Army at the Red Fort. British control of India was completely dependent on the India Armed Forces - they saw that slipping away because of the Mutiny. So, we did force them out.

That actually is the unvarnished truth.

Freedom of Speech does come with caveats. But those caveats need to be uniformly applied. You can't incite a mob to go on a rampage and be protected under Freedom of Speech laws and you can't draw a cartoon and be prosecuted under those very laws.

Equality of citizens in the republic doesn't come with caveats, does it?

 

[vsdoc]

Janon why are you reporting his post?

What happened to Windpasser's freedom of speech?

What happened to Windpasser's freedom to troll?

 

[janon]

Janon why are you reporting his post?

What happened to Windpasser's freedom of speech?

What happened to Windpasser's freedom to troll?

I am exercising my freedom to report. The website runs under rules of its own, not under the constitution of India. Mumbai police are bound by the Indian constitution. This is not a government website, it is owned by private individuals, and they decide who can post what. Nobody has a freedom to troll on this website. Where did you read that such a freedom exists?

Are you that thick that you can't see the difference?

 

[vsdoc]

Well, actually we kind of forced them to leave. Churchill was adamant to keep India but he lost the election to Attlee. There was a tremendous amount of pressure from Roosevelt to grant India independence. But the final nail in the coffin of the British Raj was the Bombay Naval Mutiny in support of the trial of the 3 officers of the Indian National Army at the Red Fort. British control of India was completely dependent on the India Armed Forces - they saw that slipping away because of the Mutiny. So, we did force them out.

That actually is the unvarnished truth.

Translation = We made ourselves a nuisance. We refused to cooperate.

Very different from "winning" or "forcing."

Even post WWII, we were in no position to force Britain to do anything it did not want to.

Freedom of Speech does come with caveats. But those caveats need to be uniformly applied. You can't incite a mob to go on a rampage and be protected under Freedom of Speech laws and you can't draw a cartoon and be prosecuted under those very laws.

Equality of citizens in the republic doesn't come with caveats, does it?

If you see my posts here, I have shied away from getting into a legal debate here.

I am a pragmatist.

Who lives in Maharashtra.

And the girl is exceptionally stupid to do what she did.

And unlucky to get caught.

More than anyone else today, it is the silent Muslim community that is thanking the police for doing what they did.

That is the unvarnished truth.

Perhaps your ROFLs would be better suited to a thread on Indian poverty!!

Windjammer, meet Windpasser.

LOL

 

[janon]

More than anyone else today, it is the silent Muslim community that is thanking the police for doing what they did.

That is the unvarnished truth.

No it isn't.

THis is called blame the victim syndrome. Public opinion is amply clear on where Indians stand on this issue. Don't call your own pathetic justifications as the "unvarnished truth". Calling it so doesn't make it so.

And since you clearly don't even know what freedom of speech laws are meant for, where they apply etc (as evidenced by your silly comment earlier about freedom of speech or freedom to troll on a private website), I think you should quietly refrain from making any more stupid remarks on this issue. The right thinking people of India have stood up to governmental misuse of power, and the people who arrested her are now in trouble.

Cheers.

 

[vsdoc]

I am exercising my freedom to report. The website runs under rules of its own, not under the constitution of India. Mumbai police are bound by the Indian constitution. This is not a government website, it is owned by private individuals, and they decide who can post what. Nobody has a freedom to troll on this website. Where did you read that such a freedom exists?

Are you that thick that you can't see the difference?

Similarly, for the umpteenth time, the Constitution of India, upheld by the Supreme Court of India, has their own rules.

That state that the Freedom of Speech is not absolute.

This has been discussed earlier. Why do you not get it?

 

[janon]

Similarly, for the umpteenth time, the Constitution of India, upheld by the Supreme Court of India, has their own rules.

That state that the Freedom of Speech is not absolute.

This has been discussed earlier. Why do you not get it?

It is not absolute doesn't mean it doesn't exist at all. This kind of freedom (making a completely inoffensive comment) very much exists. No two ways about it. Again it is pathetic to see people hanging at threads to justify the unjustifiable.

If people don't even have the freedom to say what she said, then it is not a question of caveats - it is a question of whether any such freedom exists at all.

And no, the two cases are not similar at all. Comparing freedom of speech in a nation state and comparing it with freedoms on a private website is something that would get you flunked in an elementary civics class.

 

[Jackdaws]

Translation = We made ourselves a nuisance. We refused to cooperate.

Very different from "winning" or "forcing."

Even post WWII, we were in no position to force Britain to do anything it did not want to.



If you see my posts here, I have shied away from getting into a legal debate here.

I am a pragmatist.

Who lives in Maharashtra.

And the girl is exceptionally stupid to do what she did.

And unlucky to get caught.

More than anyone else today, it is the silent Muslim community that is thanking the police for doing what they did.

That is the unvarnished truth.





Windjammer, meet Windpasser.

LOL

Sounds more like an apologist than a pragmatist. She wasn't stupid - she said what many were saying across the city.

 

[Windpasser]

For the love of Jinnah, please don't start off on that issue. And that too with your first post on this website (with this new id). Post reported for off topic trolling.

I am not entirely convinced of this new-found Indian love for Jinnah!! Perhaps your brand new skills for reporting posts would be better suited for Bharat Ratshack!!

 

[janon]

I am not entirely convinced of this new-found Indian love for Jinnah!! Perhaps your brand new skills for reporting posts would be better suited for Bharat Ratshack!!

F O, troll. And get a life.

 

[Jackdaws]

You see - it is not just a Maharashtra centric phenomena -

Thin-skinned Chandigarh cops file case against woman for Facebook posts | NDTV.com

 

[Bang Galore]

No it isn't.
Public opinion is amply clear on where Indians stand on this issue.

Public opinion should not be the barometer that such cases are decided on. There are two aspects to this case. The Shiv Sena was entitled to protest this girl's remarks regardless of the sense in doing something that makes you both a butt of ridicule as well as a target of opprobrium. The police's actions are of a completely different character & must not be condoned or trivialised. The arrest of the girls was inexcusable under any circumstances and if they did it because she was a Muslim, it reflects even more poorly on them & indeed the rest of us. They need to be taken to task for their incompetence & possible collusion. There are no excuses possible here & none should be attempted.

 

[janon]

You see - it is not just a Maharashtra centric phenomena -

Thin-skinned Chandigarh cops file case against woman for Facebook posts | NDTV.com

And that is why we need to stand up against this trend, and be unequivocal about it, without making pathetic excuses. Because if we don't stop it as soon as it starts, it will snowball into a situation where all this becomes commonplace, and we lose our sacred liberties, and the idea of India that these apologists have will actually come true.

Quote:

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

[janon]

Public opinion should not be the barometer that such cases are decided on. There are two aspects to this case. The Shiv Sena was entitled to protest this girl's remarks regardless id the sense in doing something that makes you both a butt of ridicule as well as of opprobrium. The police's actions are of a completely different character & must not be condoned or trivialised. The arrest of the girls was inexcusable under any circumstances and if they did it because she was a Muslim, it reflects even more poorly on them & indeed the rest of us. They need to be taken to task for their incompetence & possible collusion. There are no excuses possible here & none should be attempted.

Public opinion shouldn't be the barometer to judge ANY case. That's not what I was suggesting. vsdoc was making up a piece of fiction that the muslim community was silently happy for this, after he and KS tried to pretend that the girls were arrested for their own safety by the saviours in the Mumbai police. I was pointing out that neither muslims nor anyone else are happy about the arrest, in fact it is amply clear that most Indians are enraged.

I wasn't saying that the case should be decided on that basis. Just pointing out that his idea of "unvarnished truth" is an unvarnished justificationism.