‘Indian spy ring’ working in Azad Kashmir busted

[KRAIT]

Good development, what was that about never having spied on any neighbouring country Krishna said?

Sir you really believe any country in this world do exactly what their leaders say and don't spy on their hostile nation?

Ministers come and go, Intelligence agency don't have to tell everything to the Minister.

Watch the analysis on Kargil by Najam Sethi, he told that even Nawaz Sharif wasn't made aware of this operation. Such operations and intelligence work are not shared to every one and sometimes not even to ministers. This why the reason the operation was successful in acquiring the peaks. Less the people know, less are the chances of leakage of information. After all its about surprising the enemy.

Why won't one nation try to know about the weapons and deployment status, weak points of the enemy country ?

Isn't it too obvious.

 

[Icarus]

Could be, apparently an ex soldier was involved too?

That turned my head for a while too, the text is very ambiguous, it's very difficult to tell which side they are talking about, might be Pakistanis but like I said, R&AW likes their people form IOK, they have something they will want to come back for, family, friends, businesses. That's why recruitment is limited to the Indian side, a spy from AJ&K will have no stakes in India and will thus forsake his mission at the first hint of trouble.

 

[Farah Sohail]

lol..do you think Indian Agencies are that dumb that they trust them on "Bogus Report"??every report was cross checked various times..unless they are Double Agents(who generally sell both truth and lies to both party),no way they can deceive so much..plus,info for liquor and contraband materials????its lame...Indian Agencies are not Bar or **** Shop..

Lolllll.....No...indian agencies wouldnt believe tht bogus report bcoz they are dumb but bcoz they would want any report, whether credible or not, which would add up in their already bogus list of other reports which would implicate Pakistan in terrorism, of any sort...
Have u forgotten, what happened almost about a month or two ago, when Mumbai was "suppposedly" on high alert bcoz terrorists from Pakistan had already entered Mumbai? And those "terrorrists" happened, to be shop keepers in Hafiz Centre, lahore, and came on live tive, tht they are still in Lahore... Errr... Cross checking? RAW?

 

[KRAIT]

That turned my head for a while too, the text is very ambiguous, it's very difficult to tell which side they are talking about, might be Pakistanis but like I said, R&AW likes their people form IOK, they have something they will want to come back for, family, friends, businesses. That's why recruitment is limited to the Indian side, a spy from AJ&K will have no stakes in India and will thus forsake his mission at the first hint of trouble.

Offering more than they have, rehabilitation of their entire family, huge sum of money in the region where people are poor and unemployed, isn't it too easy to make them work for R&AW.

Plus person from AJ&K who have history of living there won't be considered suspect because of the same reason you just mentioned.

 

[Icarus]

Sir you really believe any country in this world do exactly what their leaders say and don't spy on their hostile nation?

No, but that was a rather poor case of diplomacy, it's a hush-hush topic. Everyone spies on everyone, not just the hostile countries but no one talks about it. It's a largely Taboo subject, he had to go and make a fool out of himself, that is why I quoted him, it was petty sarcasm but guilty is charged.

Ministers come and go, Intelligence agency don't have to tell everything to the Minister.

Not everything, but significant details make it to the political brass.

Watch the analysis on Kargil by Najam Sethi, he told that even Nawaz Sharif wasn't made aware of this operation. Such operations and intelligence work are not shared to every one and sometimes not even to ministers. This why the reason the operation was successful in acquiring the peaks. Less the people know, less are the chances of leakage of information. After all its about surprising the enemy

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That's bullshit, Najam Sethi was a office hound at the time, he doesn't know squat, this was an Op dreamt up by Nawaz Sharif who was losing out on popularity and remembered how the country had united in war and the leaders had recieved unparalleled support by the people, he set to create the circumstances to bring about that support. Kargil was considered easy because it would be unguarded, it was easy for the chair warmers, I feel sorry for the soldiers that had to survive in -60 degrees Celsius, fight with next to no supply, zero air support and heavy artillery. Then they were asked to withdraw, that's when the massacre took place, your artillery mowed down withdrawing troops and Nawaz didn't authorize air support to avoid flaring up the conflict. That's why I hate the guy, he was neck deep in the Op, got those soldiers killed and then acted all clean and jumped ship. There is still archive footage of Nawaz meeting with troops before they were being sent up top, he is even seen pointing at peaks and getting briefed on troop deployment there by Musharaf.

Why won't one nation try to know about the weapons and deployment status, weak points of the enemy country ?

Isn't it too obvious.

I never said they won't.

Offering more than they have, rehabilitation of their entire family, huge sum of money in the region where people are poor and unemployed, isn't it too easy to make them work for R&AW.

Plus person from AJ&K who have history of living there won't be considered suspect because of the same reason you just mentioned.

How will you make the entire family cross the LoC? I doubt the man's old mother, pregnant wife and young child can cross over a rope on the river or ascend the steep riverside heights. There's plenty of unemployment and opportunity seekers in IOK as well.

 

[Bang Galore]

The story might well be true, nothing new there. The only fictional part is the claim that information on terrorist camps was false (obviously because Pakistan doesn't admit to the presence of those camps). In the age of satellites, fooling someone is not as easy nor will these by the only local assets that RAW would have been using. There would be constant cross checking of information & silly to believe otherwise.

 

[rockstarIN]

I think its very rare RAW activities gets public attention even in India.

 

[Icarus]

The story might well be true, nothing new there. The only fictional part is the claim that information on terrorist camps was false (obviously because Pakistan doesn't admit to the presence of those camps). In the age of satellites, fooling someone is not as easy nor will these by the only local assets that RAW would have been using. There would be constant cross checking of information & silly to believe otherwise.

Yet no photo, video has ever emerged of these camps, in fact even Indian satellites failed to provide a single picture of these camps. Obviously, either they are not there or your satellites are just floating hunks of scrap metal.

 

[KRAIT]

^ Kindly provide link and statement of some reputated expert on this. I don't want to go off topic, but why didn't army interfere at Nawaz's decision. aren't they as guilty as him. Musharaff toppled Sharif later but why not soon enough to save his soldiers.

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Krishna has done things that make him look like a fool, but under him, MEA has done some great work. So we don't care if he is fool for one day and intelligent for rest of the days.

China says that indian media is pasting wrong picture of it as hostile country and here they are surrounding us from all sides with collaborating with our neighbors.

Are they fool too.....or they are feeding normal population that nothing's wrong as this population take these words at face value and don't do research or study geo-politics.

These statements are not for you and me, you are a think tank you can see beyond, but what about average Indian and Pakistani, they believe what their agencies, media and Ministers say. General perception has its own importance.

 

[airuah]

Good development, what was that about never having spied on any neighbouring country Krishna said?

we dont spy on any country....bogus report.....no proof of Indian involvement....they were Pakistani citizens arrested inside ***

 

[Icarus]

^ Kindly provide link and statement of some reputated expert on this. I don't want to go off topic, but why didn't army interfere at Nawaz's decision. aren't they as guilty as him. Musharaff toppled Sharif later but why not soon enough to save his soldiers.

I'm not sure I can find a link for this, most of this is just information people in the armed forces and intelligence community carry. The reason army did not interfere with this decision was because they did not think that Nawaz would buckle that easily under international pressure and were like "Ok, if we have to withdraw we don't lose anything, if we manage to stick, we gain vantage points". So it was considered a sound enough strategy. Secondly, Musharraf didn't intervene for the love of his soldiers, Nawaz deposed Musharraf when he was visiting Sri Lanka and the Army deposed Nawaz Sharif back home.

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Krishna has done things that make him look like a fool, but under him, MEA has done some great work. So we don't care if he is fool for one day and intelligent for rest of the days.

Agreed

China says that indian media is pasting wrong picture of it as hostile country and here they are surrounding us from all sides with collaborating with our neighbors.Are they fool too.....or they are feeding normal population that nothing's wrong as this population take these words at face value and don't do research or study geo-politics.

Diplomacy and counter-diplomacy.

These statements are not for you and me, you are a think tank you can see beyond, but what about average Indian and Pakistani, they believe what their agencies, media and Ministers say. General perception has its own importance.

You have to feed your populace lies to keep them under control but you have to be careful, because when the bubble pops and they see where they really stand, that's when you risk anarchy.

 

[Icarus]

Operation Meghdoot:NOT ONLY RAW IS RESPONSIBLE FOR BREAKING PAKISTAN BUT RAW IS ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKE SIACHIN GLASIAR .RAW received information from the London company which had supplied Arctic-weather gear for Indian troops from Northern Ladakh region some paramilitary forces that Pakistan too had bought similar Arctic-weather gear.This information was shared with Indian Army which soon launched Operation Meghdoot to take control of Siachen Glacier with around 300 acclimatized troops were airlifted to Siachen before Pakistan could launch any operation resulting in Indian head start and eventual Indian domination of all major peaks in Siachen.

Good for you, stay on topic and don't use caps lock.

What spy ring? Its our territory you stole through treachery.

Says who? I contest that you stole our territory through treachery!

 

[Areesh]

Strange. I was always under the impression Gilgit-baltistan is ours. Nothing wrong with establishing intelligence networks in our own country

Afghan charas. Nothing else. Charas gives you such type of impressions.

 

[Icarus]

And you certify our satellites on what basis?

On the basis of their operational success.

First get a car manufacturing and R&D centre and then try certifying us on our space capabilities.

I'm not a businessman, If I were, I'd set up the plant for you but since I'm not, you'll have to live with me as such. In fact, are you a geo-strategist? Because here you are discussing the geo-strategics of the Kashmir valley with me. No one is an expert here, but everyone discusses everything here, so either continue or shut your trap and go to some forum where people will be experts in your field........trolling.

The last thing we have to do is to give you guys proof. Thank your stars that this suckular Congress party rules us. Otherwise the last thing we would ever consider is giving you proofs of your participation in anti-India activities and just start doing what is necessary to eradicate threats.

You guys couldn't eradicate a rat! You are way to immature for this discussion, come back when you graduate high school.

Now don't waste time rating our satellites and do something about the drone that is probably circling above you.

I don't see a drone but your satellites still don't do anything, yeah that's rubbish.

 

[Bang Galore]

The guy has a beef with Musharraf because he usurped his shot to the post of CoAS. It's just politics.

Probable but he does in the course of the interview, mention several other names of people present during discussions. He also does mention that Indian artillery was the main reason for significant casualties & nowhere is there a talk of that happening during any withdrawal. He specifically says that the sangars that Pakistani soldiers were using simply could not stand up to the pounding from the Bofors guns.

My point is that there is more than one person (not just Najam Sethi) taking this line.