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I don't understand what you are trying to say vis a vis China, every nation has CT forces, India is no exception:


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They even have their own specialised assault vehicles as you have made a point of:

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Most of these equipment used by Indian special forces are imported 1 what i mean 2 say is china has build capability with its own indigenous weapon.
 
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Most of these equipment used by Indian special forces are imported 1 what i mean 2 say is china has build capability with its own indigenous weapon.
And most of it will be rip offs of foreign gear- even that SUV you pointed out is clearly a HUMVEE rip-off. It doesn't matter- the jobs of these forces is to defend their nations and kill terrorists, if the equipment is made in China, India or Timbuktu do you think that makes a blind bit of difference?
 
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And most of it will be rip offs of foreign gear- even that SUV you pointed out is clearly a HUMVEE rip-off. It doesn't matter- the jobs of these forces is to defend their nations and kill terrorists, if the equipment is made in China, India or Timbuktu do you think that makes a blind bit of difference?

It does. Tests have proven that Swadeshi bullets are faster, travel farther and have greater terminal ballistic impact than Videshi bullets of the same caliber. :partay:

On a serious note, indigenization is good for the exchequer and frees the Nation from potential outside interference over supplies and servicing during times of war. Of course, the soldier need not care for all this though.
 
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And most of it will be rip offs of foreign gear- even that SUV you pointed out is clearly a HUMVEE rip-off. It doesn't matter- the jobs of these forces is to defend their nations and kill terrorists, if the equipment is made in China, India or Timbuktu do you think that makes a blind bit of difference?
From capability to strengthen your special forces yes. Best example is OSAMA hunt where US Navy Seal used unique device equipment's first to fool Pakistan radar then to reduce noise by chopper and finally make a comeback do you think without having such superb equipment US could have killed Osama and do you think Daud in side pakistan ever?
 
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'I think you should better learn to show some fucking respect instead of running your filthy fucking mouth'

See its easy to use filthy language, you laugh at 2 dimensional video of a room clearance where, it may look funny to you or pathetic for that matter, however the fact is they managed to kill whoever they found with no loss of life (just some injuries inevitable when facing fire and grenade barrage) either to their own teams of additonal innocents/hostages that my dear biased friend is a 100/100 OP. They were given orders and they did what they were ordered to do.

Sorry but you judge a force on how they supposedly performed at CIJWS, pardon me but who the **** are you to comment while its obvious that you're quite simply writing crap out out of a chair. Let's see how the Para SF performs in the water, I doubt a Gurkha can swim a mile out due to his thick mountain blood.

Again you want to compare forces, compare similar ones from other countries. comparing our own forces has no added value, it is only a matter of knowing which force is best for the job. You want a EW node or a Air defence radar or SAM batteries taken out behind enemy lines send in the Garuds, you want to destroy enemy missile launchers and ammo dumps send in the Paras, if you want to sabotage enemy ships/subs send in the Marcos, you want to covertly kill enemy leadership or recon enemy strategic sights send in the SFF.

Going forth being part of SOC, all these forces will have to learn to integrate and do it really well you see. If for example the Garuds don't disable an air defence node, the paras for instance can't even get there without being shot out of the sky. Military might comes from everybody doing their job to the best extent without compromise and working together. All this chatter about which service is best within our own country is BS.

Also, I am confident on how the various SF units are honing and evolving their tactics, skills and training.


Listen you dickhead ..why dont you post the link about your mental masturbation of Marcos rescuing a Para..

Secondly, where the **** is the link of Marcos doing operations in Doda and Kupwara or Lolab or Handwara...assholes like you dont even know where Marcos are deployed and have all kind of theories after having weed.

where is the link of Marcos and Garud being a part of SFF?

People like you have no fucking link with soldiers and are here to prove their theories after mental masturbation. ..

Provide me the fucking link of medals won by Marcos and Paras in the last 15 years and I will see who is more active....

if you cant reply with what I asked for then stfu..and get lost...I am least interested in ur mental masturbation..please others like you who have no touch with reality.

99.9999999% of operations are done by Army not by any other muthafcking unit..get that in ur head.

Silly civilian doubt...:what:

Why Marcos were to 26/11 Mumbai? Not para SF?
Any specific reason? May be because they came through Coast?

Bcoz Para SF was not deployed in Mumbai.

The first call of help went to GOC Army and not a Naval base.GOC recommended Marcos since Para were unavailable.
 
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Listen you dickhead ..why dont you post the link about your mental masturbation of Marcos rescuing a Para..

Secondly, where the **** is the link of Marcos doing operations in Doda and Kupwara or Lolab or Handwara...assholes like you dont even know where Marcos are deployed and have all kind of theories after having weed.

where is the link of Marcos and Garud being a part of SFF?

People like you have no fucking link with soldiers and are here to prove their theories after mental masturbation. ..

Provide me the fucking link of medals won by Marcos and Paras in the last 15 years and I will see who is more active....

if you cant reply with what I asked for then stfu..and get lost...I am least interested in ur mental masturbation..please others like you who have no touch with reality.

99.9999999% of operations are done by Army not by any other muthafcking unit..get that in ur head.
Hey...go easy! MARCOS or PARAs, they all are serving one nation under different units! They themselves wont fight like this. Please relax....This is a request.
 
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Dude I think you underestimate the other. Marcos entered the OP in Mumbai and nailed everybody they could find without any loss of life, they were the first ones to mop up the OP they were assigned to while NSG was still busy with the other areas. The mission was 100/100 for them. Secondly, Marcos operators are deployed near many lakes and rivers in the Valley. They are certainly trained in HAWS, doesn't mean they are the best for that role but they certainly are trained there. Marcos are also trained at CIJWS and desert warfare school in rajasthan. SFF is a different breed and doesn't always have Para SF members rather members that are trained to be in SFF since the start, offcourse there are a few who come from different units but SFF is a Special Mission dedicated to covert missions working closely with RAW. SFF/ Garuds are also trained in amphibious ops, they are not trained to expert level but they can certainly handle dives and combat operations in marine environments.

Para SF personnel being invincible is good thing but it would be a sad day for any one to underestimate Garuds or Marcos. Their training these days is more or less equalized with different services focusing on their prime areas but also since the start inculcating harsh training in the most diverse conditions. the kit they deploy is also steadily getting better. Its also really silly to be comparing Parvat Ghataks to a Marine Co, they are meant for different roles, the same parvat ghatak would have a tough time conducting a long range deep scuba dive infil op deployed from a sub, doesn't mean they can't but they are not trained primarily for that. All these units have roughly the same length of training and are trained in various prestigous schools in the country.

A Delta operator would have a tough time matching a ST6 operator in the water.

All Indian SF units old and new are pretty good and among the most well trained, it is in the end how they are deployed that makes the difference. The IA at the moment has the worst doctrine of deployment of SF units among the 3 services which actually doesn't surely use the skill to good effect. Garuds/ Marcos have a better role/ deployement doctrine which will allow IN/IAF to use them against an enemy where it really hurts.

One can say indeed the 9 Para-SF are great warriors for their roles but I am sure a Gurkha or a Ladakh scout is even a better warrior of the mountains, there is one thing being trained to fight in the mountains and there is another being born there and trained to rule there since birth.

Now from what we also know between SFF/ Marcos/ Para SF/ NSG and Garuds, there seem to be additonal special teams within each force i.e the ultra elite in case of the NSG revealed recently is the so called Phantom Unit i.e 1 percenters who are sent out for highly classified additional training.

Stop the bullshit here Iitself and provide me a link of Garuds having divers as you claim.

Secondly Marcos had no casualty because they didnt have any kill which is because they hardly engaged any terrorists for a kill.They were only saving their day.

Thirdly provide me the link of MARCOS doing HAWS training and operation.
Hey...go easy! MARCOS or PARAs, they all are serving one nation under different units! They themselves wont fight like this. Please relax....This is a request.
I reply in the tone I am questioned.
 
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I reply in the tone I am questioned.
I follow your posts interestingly as I learn lot from it sir. But please, if you feel offended by any post,attack the poster...not the unit. They are also as patriotic and as sacrificial in their duty as any other unit. And kindly dont think otherwise...consider it as a request. :)
 
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I follow your posts interestingly as I learn lot from it sir. But please, if you feel offended by any post,attack the poster...not the unit. They are also as patriotic and as sacrificial in their duty as any other unit. And kindly dont think otherwise...consider it as a request. :)


I am sorry but I wont let any Tom, Dick Harry take credit from our Para boys who are over stressed for operations in Kashmir.Having been seen closely how much they stretch for the sake of country I cant let any one assume things sitting in his AC room of Marcos and Garuds doing things which they do not.

I will repeat this 10000 times that after Para SF there is only Ghatak and RR doing the bulk of operation.

MARCOS and Garuds are high on publicity and low on field action.

Those who have a relative in Army would know what I talk about and what is the reality...Others can even include Kerala Thunderbolts into SFF and let AGRA PD Commandos do amphibious ops.
 
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I am sorry but I wont let any Tom, Dick Harry take credit from our Para boys who are over stressed for operations in Kashmir.Having been seen closely how much they stretch for the sake of country I cant let any one assume things sitting in his AC room of Marcos and Garuds doing things which they do not.

I will repeat this 10000 times that after Para SF there is only Ghatak and RR doing the bulk of operation.

MARCOS and Garuds are high on publicity and low on field action.

Those who have a relative in Army would know what I talk about and what is the reality...Others can even include Kerala Thunderbolts into SFF and let AGRA PD Commandos do amphibious ops.
Yes brother, you are completely entitled to your view and I respect your opinion. Go ballistic on the poster but please dont bad mouth the other units. They are also doing a great service to our nation just like the PARAs and laying down their lives for the sake of you and me....
 
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Yes brother, you are completely entitled to your view and I respect your opinion. Go ballistic on the poster but please dont bad mouth the other units. They are also doing a great service to our nation just like the PARAs and laying down their lives for the sake of you and me....


I have respect for everyone who chooses to serve the country.

My abusive language is meant for the poster whole hearterdly and many others like him/her who are high on weed.
 
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I was waiting exactly for this,thanks @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR ,because I couldn't have done it as good myself.I'm sick and tired of morons claiming MARCOS being the best,MARCOS being better than Para etc.
Heck they can't even see the obvious,the room intervention drill by the MARCOS was beyond pathetic to say the least.Yet people always fall for their PR videos and "trained like SEALs" bs!!
 
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I was waiting exactly for this,thanks @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR ,because I couldn't have done it as good myself.I'm seek and tired of morons claiming MARCOS being the best,MARCOS being better than Para etc.
Heck they can't even see the obvious,the room intervention drill by the MARCOS was beyond pathetic to say the least.Yet people always fall for their PR videos and "trained like SEALs" bs!!


Hollywood fanboys who have no connection with people fighting in Kashmir.So when they watch Hollywood movie they connect it to India and just because Marines and Seals rock over there the Marcos have to here.

They dont see that Marines have a long history of operations and experience whereas the Marcos dont.

Para SF has been active since 1965..The Marcos didnt even exist then.

Garuds are basically a force to protect the air bases.They dont have a diver unit..they dont have a Explosive Unit or a unit trained for HAW or Desert Ops.

I am seriously surprised by what people are assuming here.

I mean whats next...Force 1 doing guerilla ops or Kerala Thunderbolts doing HALO jumps?

SFF is under ARMY and there are a few pics to prove it yet people are saying that Marcos are a part of SFF.

Just to make it sound cool they say even SG has Marcos and Garud.
 
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