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UCP camo is used by 10th Para aka Desert Scorpions.Dont assume things.The IA doesnt call Marcos for any sort of help amd joint operations are only conducted near to Srinagar where the Marcos are based.

Isnt the guy carrying MGL wearing CRPF COBRA camo..so according to that logic COBRAs and evern Garuds took part and this was a combined operation?..and the guy with the black dress is NSG?

Rest..i know what the Para SF does.

Btw you say on one hand that PARA SF are not involved..then you say some SF is involved and you 'believe' its MARCOS and then you say your friend is in 31 RR...so why so much assumption about marcos...what did you friend say!

10th para is deployed in desert area and that UCP is not operationalised in that Unit....10th para is deployed far away from the state J&K... i don't know if army call for marcos help or not but i do know that marcos and para SF do joint operations because my neighbour who was in marcos still not completely recovered from his injures during an operation with para SF 4 years ago. i don't see any reason to not to believe him.

as i said i have strong reasons to believe that marcos were there, that don't mean that i am 100% sure.
BTW if you know any CRPF-cobra jawan, ask him weather cobras are deployed in kashmir or not. AFAIK they are deployed in jammu.

and that 31 RR jawan is not my friend. i just know him thats all... he said that those soldiers in that pics are not para SF and also said 31 RR use the same equipment used by para SF. and about their command structure and the privileges and additional training they got... he also told me that they are also airborne qualified(maroon beret)..

 

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10th para is deployed in desert area and that UCP is not operationalised in that Unit..

Actually bro, they have:

and that 31 RR jawan is not my friend. i just know him thats all... he said that those soldiers in that pics are not para SF and also said 31 RR use the same equipment used by para SF.

Could you ask him if RR have the Tavor then?

 

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10th para is deployed in desert area and that UCP is not operationalised in that Unit....10th para is deployed far away from the state J&K... i don't know if army call for marcos help or not but i do know that marcos and para SF do joint operations because my neighbour who was in marcos still not completely recovered from his injures during an operation with para SF 4 years ago. i don't see any reason to not to believe him.

as i said i have strong reasons to believe that marcos were there, that don't mean that i am 100% sure.
BTW if you know any CRPF-cobra jawan, ask him weather cobras are deployed in kashmir or not. AFAIK they are deployed in jammu.

and that 31 RR jawan is not my friend. i just know him thats all... he said that those soldiers in that pics are not para SF and also said 31 RR use the same equipment used by para SF. and about their command structure and the privileges and additional training they got... he also told me that they are also airborne qualified(maroon beret)..

Look buddy,the thing is that Para SF do operate with Marcos but near Srinagar not in Kupwara and Uri.

31 RR may be part of this operation.But someone who has even spent 1 year following Para SF and their photos knows they have no dress code.

Brother,cant you see 6 guys wearing 6 different dress and no unifomity..the guy in the black dress is not NSG..then one in marpat is not cobra similarly the one in ucp is not marcos.

Even in joint operations you dont see inter schuffling of team members.You wont find 2 marcos and 3 para guys in one team.They may be at different locations but in a similar operation.

Your friend if he was a squad leader who got hit by PKM and is the recipient of SC was part of a operation not more than 60 kms from Srinagar...if it is the same guy i am guessing.

It is a big foolishness to guess a book by its cover if you are dealing with Indian SF.

Actually bro, they have:

Could you ask him if RR have the Tavor then?

You nailed it big dong boy

p.s-sarcasm..i hope you remember the guy calling you big dong.

 

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p.s-sarcasm..i hope you remember the guy calling you big dong.

Haha, I do indeed

 

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Actually bro, they have:

Could you ask him if RR have the Tavor then?

that pics you post is from joint excercise with Russia in 2013 they use that camo for testing it.... i don't remember the name of that excercise...

Joint Indo-Afghanistan Special Forces Exercise conducted in 2014, it is 10 para sf.. you see any UCP there?

 

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Look buddy,the thing is that Para SF do operate with Marcos but near Srinagar not in Kupwara and Uri.

31 RR may be part of this operation.But someone who has even spent 1 year following Para SF and their photos knows they have no dress code.

Brother,cant you see 6 guys wearing 6 different dress and no unifomity..the guy in the black dress is not NSG..then one in marpat is not cobra similarly the one in ucp is not marcos.

Even in joint operations you dont see inter schuffling of team members.You wont find 2 marcos and 3 para guys in one team.They may be at different locations but in a similar operation.

Your friend if he was a squad leader who got hit by PKM and is the recipient of SC was part of a operation not more than 60 kms from Srinagar...if it is the same guy i am guessing.

It is a big foolishness to guess a book by its cover if you are dealing with Indian SF.
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what makes you think that marcos don't operate in URI!!?? the reason why the marcos was deployed in kashmir was to stop infiltration through Jhelum River(flowing through uri) and Wular Lake marcos have base in these area...

i think a soldier from RR know better than you and me. and UCP is not something which is common in Indian military.

there is noting called shuffling of team members in any unit during an operation. even the basic unit(the track) of marcos and para SF are different. para SF operates in 6 man team while marcos and garuds operates in 4. but it is not like you said.. they do joint operation tougher, not like marcos operate in one sector, RR operates in other sector and para SF in another.

i think you are talking about someone else.. that marco who is a recipient of SC is still in navy....

buddy i am not guessing anything, what i told you is something i learned for marcos and army personals.

Could you ask him if RR have the Tavor then?

yes 31 RR have tavor.. not only tavor they also have m4 and micro uzi... 31RR of RR is like SG of SFF.. 31 RR have a good training in special operations, they are also airborne qualified(as it is a part of parachute regiment).

 

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yes 31 RR have tavor.. not only tavor they also have m4 and micro uzi... 31RR of RR is like SG of SFF.. 31 RR have a good training in special operations, they are also airborne qualified(as it is a part of parachute regiment).

Bro I find this hard to believe as there are SF elements attached to every RR unit meaning there is no need for a SG like RR unit. The SF work with the RR not separately.

 

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american style of urban operation!!!

fellows do you guys ever compare the US Sf operation in iraq and indian SF ops in kashmir???

Bro I find this hard to believe as there are SF elements attached to every RR unit meaning there is no need for a SG like RR unit. The SF work with the RR not separately.

no, not in every RR unit.. i was talking about 31 RR. 31RR is a commando unit of RR

 

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no, not in every RR unit.. i was talking about 31 RR. 31RR is a commando unit of RR

Exactly, that doesn't make sense to me. SF in JK work both attached to RR units and independently (co-deployed with the IA's spec-ops ALH SQDs) to be called in by the local RR units for the most extreme situations they can't handle.

 

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Exactly, that doesn't make sense to me. SF in JK work both attached to RR units and independently (co-deployed with the IA's spec-ops ALH SQDs) to be called in by the local RR units for the most extreme situations they can't handle.

precisely.... this is what i said earlier.. SF is called in only when the operation is beyond RR's capacity.







looks like my 1st post didn't get anyone's attention... i will repeat the quistion...
@Abingdonboy
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@COLDHEARTED AVIATOR I remember you mentioning the NSG's budget had been quadrupled, I forgot to ask at the time for a literal translation of this from the Home Minister.

 

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what makes you think that marcos don't operate in URI!!?? the reason why the marcos was deployed in kashmir was to stop infiltration through Jhelum River(flowing through uri) and Wular Lake marcos have base in these area...

i think a soldier from RR know better than you and me. and UCP is not something which is common in Indian military.

there is noting called shuffling of team members in any unit during an operation. even the basic unit(the track) of marcos and para SF are different. para SF operates in 6 man team while marcos and garuds operates in 4. but it is not like you said.. they do joint operation tougher, not like marcos operate in one sector, RR operates in other sector and para SF in another.

i think you are talking about someone else.. that marco who is a recipient of SC is still in navy....

buddy i am not guessing anything, what i told you is something i learned for marcos and army personals.


yes 31 RR have tavor.. not only tavor they also have m4 and micro uzi... 31RR of RR is like SG of SFF.. 31 RR have a good training in special operations, they are also airborne qualified(as it is a part of parachute regiment).

Sir ji,Marcos were deployed in Wular Lake not in URI sector.They do operations around Wular and not URI.The IA top brass would never ask for any sort of help from Marcos as you guys come up with stories of regulars working with Marcos.

Only a guy who has no idea about the chain of command of the IA will talk like that.After the intel is recieved the local RR unit comes into action.If the operation looks complicated then only the SF is called like in Arnia and URI.

The Indian Army does not say "hello navy..please save my ***".

You know 1 RR guy..i know tens of them and specially those who have been involved in special operations and were part of a experiement in RR with CAT teams.

RR guys dont even know about Marcos and Garuds.Those who knlw have said they have never seen them.

The Army top brass trusts their Ghataks more than they would ever trust a Marcos.Ghataks are made up of local JAKLI and JAKRIF guys who grow beards and no one can distinguish between them and the civillians.

So after the RR thinks SF intervention is required the SF is called.Marcos either conduct operations on their own near their area of deployment that is Srinagar or they ask permissiom to be a part.

I hope you know that a unit deployed in one area cant behave like a A-Team and conduct operations anywhere they want.The RR's Kilo force wont go and kill terrorists in Delta Force area of responsibility even when it has intel.

Lastly,you know every 6 months i deal with a guy who says the same thing you say since the past 3 years.The news channel reported the Army SF to be in charge of URI and everyone saw that.Kupwara where you say that Marcos are deployed are ParaSF territory specially Lolab,hafruda and handwara operations.

Major Mohit Sharma and many other PARA SF operators have died in Kupwara.I find your story hard to believe coming from a Marcos fanboy.

P.S-Dont come up with i know a RR soldier and he knows it all thing...my dad was a RR sector commander in the 90s and many of my friends and relatives still serve in RR..Let your content speak rather than your contacts.The places you talk about have been all seen by me on 4 wheelers..and you are still assuming a lot after you say you know the RR guy so i find it very difficult to believe with all due respect.

Bro I find this hard to believe as there are SF elements attached to every RR unit meaning there is no need for a SG like RR unit. The SF work with the RR not separately.

You are right.Right now what is happening is that every RR unit has a special undercover team comprising of local guys and RR specialists in 6-8 man teams.They gather intel and are the first ones to react even before QRT.

Remember the pics of my friend in RR...he was part of that team.I cropped their faces or you would have seen they look exactly like kashmiri locals.

precisely.... this is what i said earlier.. SF is called in only when the operation is beyond R

looks like my 1st post didn't get anyone's attention... i will repeat the quistion...
@Abingdonboy
in 2011 Indian and Polish SF Units Train Together at CIJW (Tiger Claw I) Was That polish sf unit was GROM???
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It wasnt GROM.

 

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Buddy,i was having a look at the pics again and i wanted to confirm that did Marcos buy M4 after the Para SF started using them coz as far as i know only Para SF use M4..Marcos and Garuds still operate Tavor and AK or Insas..Marcos use MP5 for CQB but army uses M4 and Uzi.

 

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Sir ji,Marcos were deployed in Wular Lake not in URI sector.They do operations around Wular and not URI.The IA top brass would never ask for any sort of help from Marcos as you guys come up with stories of regulars working with Marcos.

Only a guy who has no idea about the chain of command of the IA will talk like that.After the intel is recieved the local RR unit comes into action.If the operation looks complicated then only the SF is called like in Arnia and URI.

The Indian Army does not say "hello navy..please save my ***".

You know 1 RR guy..i know tens of them and specially those who have been involved in special operations and were part of a experiement in RR with CAT teams.

RR guys dont even know about Marcos and Garuds.Those who knlw have said they have never seen them.

The Army top brass trusts their Ghataks more than they would ever trust a Marcos.Ghataks are made up of local JAKLI and JAKRIF guys who grow beards and no one can distinguish between them and the civillians.

So after the RR thinks SF intervention is required the SF is called.Marcos either conduct operations on their own near their area of deployment that is Srinagar or they ask permissiom to be a part.

I hope you know that a unit deployed in one area cant behave like a A-Team and conduct operations anywhere they want.The RR's Kilo force wont go and kill terrorists in Delta Force area of responsibility even when it has intel.

Lastly,you know every 6 months i deal with a guy who says the same thing you say since the past 3 years.The news channel reported the Army SF to be in charge of URI and everyone saw that.Kupwara where you say that Marcos are deployed are ParaSF territory specially Lolab,hafruda and handwara operations.

Major Mohit Sharma and many other PARA SF operators have died in Kupwara.I find your story hard to believe coming from a Marcos fanboy.

P.S-Dont come up with i know a RR soldier and he knows it all thing...my dad was a RR sector commander in the 90s and many of my friends and relatives still serve in RR..Let your content speak rather than your contacts.The places you talk about have been all seen by me on 4 wheelers..and you are still assuming a lot after you say you know the RR guy so i find it very difficult to believe with all due respect.


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i know you are not going to believe me... if you are son of RR sector commander, then you can talk to marcos deployed near wular lake.. marcos operate in civilian dress, they were only deployed in uniform only to show presence there... i can't send you any of the pics of marcos in Kashmir so my further argument without any pics od documents to support will be pointless. i think you are living in kashmir... if yes then you should have contacts with army as you are the son of a commander. try to talk to any marcos.. don't ask army men about marcos army don't know much about marcos. army SF and marcos have an internal rivalry b/w them.

It wasnt GROM.

then which unit was that??

 

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i know you are not going to believe me... if you are son of RR sector commander, then you can talk to marcos deployed near wular lake.. marcos operate in civilian dress, they were only deployed in uniform only to show presence there... i can't send you any of the pics of marcos in Kashmir so my further argument without any pics od documents to support will be pointless. i think you are living in kashmir... if yes then you should have contacts with army as you are the son of a commander. try to talk to any marcos.. don't ask army men about marcos army don't know much about marcos. army SF and marcos have an internal rivalry b/w them.



then which unit was that??

Buddy,the Marcos dont wear uniform and keep beard i agree.The things is that the area of deployment of Marcos is Srinagar only.Now you agree they have rivalry then how can you say they are in 31 RR?Plus the guy carrying M4 and wearing UCP is a not Marcos also because i have never seen Marcos with M4.

Till now only Army SF have M4..Did you see the team leader carrying M4 in Uri operation?

Kupwara and Uri fall under Para SF and Major Mohit Sharma and Capt.Jasrotia among various others have sacrficied their lives there.I would seriously find it hard to believe that a Marcos team will operate in Kupwara dense forests.

So lets agree to disagree.

Regarding the Polish SF...i read in a polish forum that GROM was not involved.I cant find the link but here is the link to another site and you can read the comments below the pics.

Polish Commandoes Try The Tavor - The Firearm Blog