Unknowncommando
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Wow man! what encounters you are privileged enough to have!I will share a incident with you guys which happened a few months ago.
Me and my friends have a superbike group and we mostly ride together in Delhi.
One morning we were riding around the International airport at 5 am.So my friends who are always high on adrenalin turned into a blind turn and and zoomed into the highway at 180-220 kms/hr.
I do not ride this fast on Indian roads so I was taking the turn slowly and enjoying the cool breeze hitting my face (wasnt wearing helmet).
So heres the part of interest...as soon as I got into the blind turn I saw round about 100 men running towards me.
I initially didnt pay attention to them but when I got closer I saw NSG patches all over their black uniform.
I was wowed at that moment.The trainees were all sweaty and looked really tired (I guess after a long run in the morning)and were looking at my bike.
They were accompanied by guards in camo pants and sort of creamish t shirt with NSG logo wearing the exactly same helmet as they do nowadays and carrying AK 47.
This was with me passing them and them running against my direction.I reduced the speed so I could see more.The trainees were having a look at my bike but the case was reverse with the guard.
I swear I was looking with awe but the guards were not liking it and were so alert. With their eyes staring mine and their fingers close to the trigger I decided not to do any thing stupid.
I initially thought of giving them a salute or thumbsup but the way the guards were I felt like its better if I countinue without trying anything funny.
So now I reached the centre of this formation.Now I could see guys in PT dress and holding MP5.Soon followed a white Safari which was a jammer and to be honest I have seen a lot BPTs but never have I seen a jammer or such alertness for BPTs.
Then I reached the end where instructors were running (indian only) wearing tshirts from bomb squad logo to SF/Commando/foreign unit logos.
The instructors looked fit and aged.By this time the group had ended and then again followed these men armed with Aks and staring me like stay away from us.I was passing a smile at everyone but these guards were very unfriendly like all my previous interactions.
Then followed some more gypsy in white and operators in civil driving it.
It was a hell of an experience but which I decided to wait a few months before posting.
A few kms later..I rejoined my group for a cup of tea on the NH..I asked them"Did you guys see men in black uniform running..You know who they were?"
To my shock guys belonging to various profession and successful in their fields replied..Army..Marcos..CRPF..COBRA..and one said Black cat.
I was like..fcking great.You know what is the name of Aishwaryas child but you do not know about peoole who save your ***.
Not Glock pistols- FN Five-Sevens.
@sandy_3126 what's your opinion on the FN Five-Seven? I've heard some pretty incredible stuff about it- fires a rifle round (5.7), meaning the stopping power is enormous as well as having considerable range and has less recoil than a traditional 9mm pistol. For the job the SPG does seems pretty ideal for both the CAT guys and the inner cordon guys who carry it under their suits. And as an added bonus the SPG's P-90s fire the same round.
So would a .45 cal pack more of a punch in closer ranges? And what do you have to say about the 5.7's armour piercing capabilities?FN Five seven is an over hyped round. As a rifle round it is a very weak round, but as a pistol round it is a high velocity stinging round. 9mm, 40 S&W and 45 acp are bigger short range round which have decent to a very heavy terminal ballistics. look at a 22 magnum round.
The closest comparative round to 5-7 is a the 22 magnum with 30 grain bullet.
22 WMR (5.7 mm x 26.8mm)
30 gr (2 g) HP2,300 ft/s (700 m/s)322 ft·lbf (437 J)
5.7 x 28 mm
2.0 g (31 gr), 716 m/s (2,350 ft/s), 467 J (344 ft·lb)
Marginal cost difference, 5.7 sells about $28 for 50 rounds
compared to .22WMR @ $20 for 50 rounds
Interestingly standard magazine on a Five Seven is 20 rounds and on a PMR 30 is 30 Rounds.....
PMR 30
Five -Seven
I doubt it's armor piercing ability, with a steel tip even a 17hmr will penetrate armor. it is about dissipating the available energy in the area of impact. a high velocity bullet with small diameter and shape will do the same. It's like throwing a dart compared to throwing a brick. (Both have separate uses)So would a .45 cal pack more of a punch in closer ranges? And what do you have to say about the 5.7's armour piercing capabilities?
Hmm, a lot of what I've read/seen on the Five-seven seems to have been exaggerated then. Still seems like a pretty decent secondary weapon to a 5.56mm rifle (for CAT with their FN F-2000s) and an accurate/controllable primary weapon for the inner cordon with some good take down power albeit with a limited capacity as standard (20 rounds).I doubt it's armor piercing ability, with a steel tip even a 17hmr will penetrate armor. it is about dissipating the available energy in the area of impact. a high velocity bullet with small diameter and shape will do the same. It's like throwing a dart compared to throwing a brick. (Both have separate uses)
Remember that 22 wmr is a hunting round and not designed to penetrate armor. Smilar argument as the 7.62x39and 5.56 nato..
not many handguns are designed to penetrate armor, if so very few..... Five seven can penetrate level 2 armor at certain range, but once you exceed the range, the round is of not much use.
Wow man! what encounters you are privileged enough to have!
The way you describe it seems the guards were really "switched on". Crazy that a jammer accompanies recruits on BPTs such as this though.
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Why the need for such security for a simple BPT for recruits?They were wearing camo trousers, cream NSG logo t-shirt, BPJ and helmet the same which the NSG wears but looked privileged because hardly anyone of them was clean shaven with short hair but everyone else including the instructor had clean shave and a neat hairstyle.Secondly their body language was very different and they looked on top of the game.They looked very confident and very different from the lot.
The way they were holding their AK was very casual but their eyes told a different story.
Why the need for such security for a simple BPT for recruits?
Very true, better to be safe than sorry especially in the light of what happens in India's Western border where security forces have become prime targets for terrorist scum not to mention after 26/11 the NSG has more than likely become a primary target for any wannabes.Maybe because NSG is popular and such BPT marches can be easy target for terrorists.
Look like very old pics.
How are yours doin? Look at your language I doubt any good..