Indian Special Forces

[DESERT FIGHTER]

@Koovie i found that photos of HK 416 in indian SF(as the article says) but the details had been removed

BS.. There arent indian rather taken from here:

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The second pic belongs to some guy on HK forum:

HK416 Owners Picture Thread (genuine HK416's only please)

 

[Abingdonboy]

pics form INDRA 2014...

VBSS of indian navy and russian navy

Nice find!
@Abingdonboy VBSS or Marcos?

VBSS IMHO- I've heard for some time the IN was issuing Tavors to the VBSS teams so this correlates with that. It seems the US UCP is now the standard issue camo for the IN's fighting wings (VBSS, SOF, SPB, Divers etc).

This is very unlikely to be MARCOs as these are standard naval drills involving VBSS but aren't SOF-oreientated at all and more often than not SFs train with other SFs, the Russians haven't sent their Navy SFs to this exercise so I doubt the IN has. And with the IN having placed a lot of emphasis on raising these VBSS teams it would make little sense to send MARCOs for VBSS joint training.


Btw the VBSS teams initially were trained by the MARCOs.

COLDHEARTED AVIATOR i heard that 10 para uses hk-416 is that true?? marcos now uses hk-416s.. but no pics are available...

@Koovie i found that photos of HK 416 in indian SF(as the article says) but the details had been removed

I have seen the rumours of PARA (SF) and MARCOs having the HK-416 for a while but never been confirmed and these two pics don't seem to point to it at all. The first pic the operator is wearing Multi-Cam (AFIAK not used by any force in India) and the second pic looks like an American fanboy's bedroom.

 

[hkdas]

VBSS IMHO- I've heard for some time the IN was issuing Tavors to the VBSS teams so this correlates with that. It seems the US UCP is now the standard issue camo for the IN's fighting wings (VBSS, SOF, SPB, Divers etc).

This is very unlikely to be MARCOs as these are standard naval drills involving VBSS but aren't SOF-oreientated at all and more often than not SFs train with other SFs, the Russians haven't sent their Navy SFs to this exercise so I doubt the IN has. And with the IN having placed a lot of emphasis on raising these VBSS teams it would make little sense to send MARCOs for VBSS joint training.


Btw the VBSS teams initially were trained by the MARCOs.
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VBSS is nothing but a group of sailors/trained in VBSS ops... yes they are trained by marcos, do you think navy will equip the VBSS in marcos standard? still few months ago they uses WW-2 weapons!!

I have seen the rumours of PARA (SF) and MARCOs having the HK-416 for a while but never been confirmed and these two pics don't seem to point to it at all. The first pic the operator is wearing Multi-Cam (AFIAK not used by any force in India) and the second pic looks like an American fanboy's bedroom.

may be they use a file photo for that news... do you have any contacts for confirmation??

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

VBSS is nothing but a group of sailors/trained in VBSS ops... yes they are trained by marcos, do you think navy will equip the VBSS in marcos standard? still few months ago they uses WW-2 weapons!!



may be they use a file photo for that news... do you have any contacts for confirmation??

Yes a file photo of an unknown article(which you have yet to post) using pics from a Russian source and another from HK forum ..

 

[Koovie]

VBSS is nothing but a group of sailors/trained in VBSS ops... yes they are trained by marcos, do you think navy will equip the VBSS in marcos standard? still few months ago they uses WW-2 weapons!!

There is nothing special about having uniforms with digi camo and Tavors



Even many state police units switched over to similar equipment. Every Tom, Dick and Harry seems to use them in India these days, it was just a question of time until the IN would finally replace the small arms of its VBSS teams.

And the mere fact that we have seen pics of armed personal in digi camo guarding ships (Rimpac 2014 pics) and training with Russian sailors points out that they simply got new gear.

Marcos dont stand on decks guarding ships during a port visit.

 

[Abingdonboy]

VBSS is nothing but a group of sailors/trained in VBSS ops... yes they are trained by marcos, do you think navy will equip the VBSS in marcos standard? still few months ago they uses WW-2 weapons!!

I know what VBSS is but they need to be equipped properly the IN is aware of this. Given the IN's consistent exposure to anti-piracy missions over the past few years the need to have well trained and well equipped VBSS teams has become evident and to be fair the IN VBSS teams have had pretty good gear but have been lacking on the personal weapon front only:

As has been pointed out by @Koovie, a Tavor is nothing special in India anymore all 3 SOFs are equipped with it (not to mention CAPFs and local/state police units) so naturally it will trickle down to the other specialist units where needed. As for digicam (UCP) this is accepted as the IN's combat uniform now and is worn by the relevant wings, I've seen IN divers and force protection personal where this uniform so it's no surprise at all the IN's VBSS teams now are also on a need basis.


Just having a Tavor and Digicam doesn't make these VBSS up to "MARCOs standard" bro. In fact, the latest I've heard is the MARCOs are set to receive their ICS within the next 12 months which will elevate them to perhaps the best equipped SOF in India (although the Garuds and PARA (SF) are perusing their own modernisation programs not to mention the NSG ).

may be they use a file photo for that news... do you have any contacts for confirmation??

It's just rumours in all honesty bro. I've not heard anything concrete from anyone I would trust. Until I see proof I will be skeptical- but then I had been skeptical the MARCOs had ordered Tavors until IWI announced they had delivered the first batch.

 

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INDIAN NAVY MARCOS OLD PIC DURING EX INDRA 2007

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

The Marcos using Army camo in Kashmir..there are a few pics of them with DigiCamo..how old is this?

I know what VBSS is but they need to be equipped properly the IN is aware of this. Given the IN's consistent exposure to anti-piracy missions over the past few years the need to have well trained and well equipped VBSS teams has become evident and to be fair the IN VBSS teams have had pretty good gear but have been lacking on the personal weapon front only:

As has been pointed out by @Koovie, a Tavor is nothing special in India anymore all 3 SOFs are equipped with it (not to mention CAPFs and local/state police units) so naturally it will trickle down to the other specialist units where needed. As for digicam (UCP) this is accepted as the IN's combat uniform now and is worn by the relevant wings, I've seen IN divers and force protection personal where this uniform so it's no surprise at all the IN's VBSS teams now are also on a need basis.


Just having a Tavor and Digicam doesn't make these VBSS up to "MARCOs standard" bro. In fact, the latest I've heard is the MARCOs are set to receive their ICS within the next 12 months which will elevate them to perhaps the best equipped SOF in India (although the Garuds and PARA (SF) are perusing their own modernisation programs not to mention the NSG ).



It's just rumours in all honesty bro. I've not heard anything concrete from anyone I would trust. Until I see proof I will be skeptical- but then I had been skeptical the MARCOs had ordered Tavors until IWI announced they had delivered the first batch.

What about the Patch for Marcos batch on the right arm..do VBSS team personnel also wear a similar batch?

 

[Abingdonboy]

What about the Patch for Marcos batch on the right arm..do VBSS team personnel also wear a similar batch?

Yup- they have that White "Indian Navy" patch:

 

[hkdas]

There is nothing special about having uniforms with digi camo and Tavors



Even many state police units switched over to similar equipment. Every Tom, Dick and Harry seems to use them in India these days, it was just a question of time until the IN would finally replace the small arms of its VBSS teams.

And the mere fact that we have seen pics of armed personal in digi camo guarding ships (Rimpac 2014 pics) and training with Russian sailors points out that they simply got new gear.

Marcos dont stand on decks guarding ships during a port visit.

bro, this is india not US. you know marcos had deployed for coastal patrolling and for other police work during obama's visit to india. do you ever heard about US navy seals deployed for this kind of work in us?? yes they provide security for afghan president only because of the the situation in that country...

you know how our special forces are used... there is nothing to be surprised if they are used for the protection of our ships in russia.
the VBSS was created of the purpose for fight against piracy... the time when the piracy was at its peak the gov. didn't provide them a good weapon, so you think the gov. got a sudden attention on the VBSS???
and AFAIK in india only special forces use side arms...

I know what VBSS is but they need to be equipped properly the IN is aware of this. Given the IN's consistent exposure to anti-piracy missions over the past few years the need to have well trained and well equipped VBSS teams has become evident and to be fair the IN VBSS teams have had pretty good gear but have been lacking on the personal weapon front only:

As has been pointed out by @Koovie, a Tavor is nothing special in India anymore all 3 SOFs are equipped with it (not to mention CAPFs and local/state police units) so naturally it will trickle down to the other specialist units where needed. As for digicam (UCP) this is accepted as the IN's combat uniform now and is worn by the relevant wings, I've seen IN divers and force protection personal where this uniform so it's no surprise at all the IN's VBSS teams now are also on a need basis.


Just having a Tavor and Digicam doesn't make these VBSS up to "MARCOs standard" bro. In fact, the latest I've heard is the MARCOs are set to receive their ICS within the next 12 months which will elevate them to perhaps the best equipped SOF in India (although the Garuds and PARA (SF) are perusing their own modernisation programs not to mention the NSG ).



It's just rumours in all honesty bro. I've not heard anything concrete from anyone I would trust. Until I see proof I will be skeptical- but then I had been skeptical the MARCOs had ordered Tavors until IWI announced they had delivered the first batch.

that m-16 training guns are of US navy.. they provide VBSS team that gun during the exercise...VBSS team are provided with a WW-2 era guns(i forget the name of that gun). tavor is an expensive gun and our gov are in love with cheap weapons. so do you think our gov will provide the VBSS(who are noting but sailors and officers in the ship who got some room intervention training) with a good weapons??

 

[Koovie]

you know how our special forces are used... there is nothing to be surprised if they are used for the protection of our ships in russia.
the VBSS was created of the purpose for fight against piracy... the time when the piracy was at its peak the gov. didn't provide them a good weapon, so you think the gov. got a sudden attention on the VBSS???
and AFAIK in india only special forces use side arms...

MARCOS dont guard ships. The IN has specialized units from the Sagar Prahari Bal to protect assets on land while the ship crews themselves are more perfectly capable of guarding their own ship on a port visit to a friendly country.

And no, VBSS teams were NOT created as an answer to Somali pirates. Every combat ship has a group of armed sailors for such duties. And the IN had them before the somali pirate thing went off.

And its not the government which decides about the equipment of VBSS teams, its the IN. The IN has been on a long modernizing trip... from aircraft carriers with Mig 29Ks, over stealth frigates and destroyers to the latest surveillance aircraft.

But obviously they cannot pull off everything at a time. And small arms for VBSS teams were not a priority, but eventually, they started getting their new stuff.

And ordering a bunch of Tavors and new uniforms (the VBSS teams had decent gear way before this exercise) is absolutely nothing special. Like I said, even local Police departments are ordering the same stuff these days.

that m-16 training guns are of US navy.. they provide VBSS team that gun during the exercise...VBSS team are provided with a WW-2 era guns(i forget the name of that gun). tavor is an expensive gun and our gov are in love with cheap weapons. so do you think our gov will provide the VBSS(who are noting but sailors and officers in the ship who got some room intervention training) with a good weapons??

Again, its not the GOI of India which decides such things, its the IN. And the gun you meant was the Sterling SMG

 

[hkdas]

The Marcos using Army camo in Kashmir..there are a few pics of them with DigiCamo..how old is this?



What about the Patch for Marcos batch on the right arm..do VBSS team personnel also wear a similar batch?

that pics are from FB...
u see the patch on the marcos is on right arm and VBSS have that on both arm,

now look this pics, there is only one place for the Patch

 

[Koovie]

that pics are from FB...
u see the patch on the marcos is on right arm and VBSS have that on both arm,

now look this pics, there is only one place for the Patch

That could be because they are wearing new uniforms and they did not put their patch on it for whatever reason.


BTW: Sagar Prahari Bal members also use the same equipment as MARCOS do and they are also "just there to protect Navy assets"

 

[hkdas]

That could be because they are wearing new uniforms and they did not put their patch on it for whatever reason.


BTW: Sagar Prahari Bal members also use the same equipment as MARCOS do and they are also "just there to protect Navy assets"

bro, we don't konw that is marcos or VBSS... every one says that this is marcos...

look like army special forces selection process....pics are form adgpi indian army facebook page