Indian Punjab is Self Destructing....Unlike Pakistan's Punjab

[Maula Jatt]

Whitewashing on another level.

Are you seriously going to try and pretend there was no massacre of Sikhs by muslims on your side? Indeed, now Punjab in Pakistan has minuscule number of Sikhs. Genocide is what Pakistan has done, dont try to push false narratives.

Since you are not Punjabi I'll translate
from 10 point on she is talking how she was abducted from a Muslim camp, massacre started, she was kidnapped
Asked to convert to Sikhism while she had no idea of what religion is and married the man as a 12 y/o to a 30 plus man - (and she is saying he gave me a good life, I have no complaints ...
after 5-6 they moved to Canada - she says she is happy with life but "dil dol da aye" when she thinks about her lost famil
She didn't know her gotra, only thing she knew was that it was a Jutt village so without details it was very hard for her to find her famil y)ily

At 1 hour .04 mark she talks about Muslims maidens/virgins in the dozens jumped in wells to save themselves

Muslims of the village were gathered/rounded up in a mud house mostly old, week peop
and in that house a fire was thrown inside the house from the roof top- they were burnt alive "tarpa, tarpa maarya aga la" or they died a slow death from burning, gasping for air while burning at the same time
no one goes to that house/area to this day as people hear their gasping voices ,leices

In the end she says I don't bring these things in my life, not the kind of things we should talk about

Muslim pop went from 40% to 1% something

 

[Chakar The Great]

Indian Punjab has very different trajectory , they are basically fighting for their survival of cultural and religious cultural idenitites(Hindutva is trying to make Sikhism as just martial hinduism) , while pakistani punjabis have to be very flexible and uplift other smaller ethnicities to form a ethically seamless overall pakistani idenity ,they simply cant afford to put their ethnicity first.
I find it funny when some people say Pakistani punjabis should learn from sikhs how to be proud and all , but reality is that Pakistani punjabis cant simply afford that type of ethnic bombast as it would be disastrous for our federation. The very villian of indian Punjabi folklore is Afghan (in past only used for Pashtuns) , which is your second largest ethnic group, so you get the drift.

I must say Pakistani Punjabis have done a remarkable job in transitioning from ethnically rigid group to one showing flexibility to accomodate in a Pakistani idenitity.

This is so true, I second that as a Baloch. Despite vicious hate propaganda by Baloch and Pashtoon nationalists over the years, Punjabis have actually neutralised the situation. I remember after death of Akbar Bugti in 2003, large number of Punjabi settlers were killed purely on ethnic basis. But not even single Baloch was harmed in Punjab.

This is the reason why Nationalists movements in Sindh, KPK and Balochistan have died. You ll not find a single person in Balochistan accusing Punjab of taking all resources, something which was used as an excuse by Baloch Leaders to cover their own incompetences in the past. Credit must also be given to upper house ( Senate) of Pakistan for equal representation.

No matter what people say, Pakistan is more integrated and homogenous than it was 30 years ago. From religion to food, sports to heroes, dramas to music, infrastructure and roads, dams and ports, everything is spread out.

While Pakistan chose to bring every one together, India as a state took the opposite route, that's why India is failing.

 

[arjunk]

Please don't start that or slumdogs of Mumbai will start claiming Mumslum has greater GDP then Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Oman put together.

Mumbai's GDP PPP is 150-300 billion, depending on whose estimate you take. So it might actually be lower than Karachi's (160 billion), let alone Pakistan.

 

[One_Nation]

Indians promote drug problem in their Punjab to keep them under control.
Sikhs immigrate out of India in droves and complain about lack of opportunities there but they are too coward to fight for their rights.

 

[PakSarZameen47]

This is so true, I second that as a Baloch. Despite vicious hate propaganda by Baloch and Pashtoon nationalists over the years, Punjabis have actually neutralised the situation. I remember after death of Akbar Bugti in 2003, large number of Punjabi settlers were killed purely on ethnic basis. But not even single Baloch was harmed in Punjab.

This is the reason why Nationalists movements in Sindh, KPK and Balochistan have died. You ll not find a single person in Balochistan accusing Punjab of taking all resources, something which was used as an excuse by Baloch Leaders to cover their own incompetences in the past. Credit must also be given to upper house ( Senate) of Pakistan for equal representation.

No matter what people say, Pakistan is more integrated and homogenous than it was 30 years ago. From religion to food, sports to heroes, dramas to music, infrastructure and roads, dams and ports, everything is spread out.

While Pakistan chose to bring every one together, India as a state took the opposite route, that's why India is failing.

I think things will improve in the next few decades especially with the next generation iA

 

[Tomtheguy]

Mumbai's GDP PPP is 150-300 billion, depending on whose estimate you take. So it might actually be lower than Karachi's (160 billion), let alone Pakistan.

Nominal GDP of 240 billion , ppp of 400 billion for 2021 march , new data after 2021-22 is yet to come.

GDP of Karachi is 164 billion in ppp , like how Pakistani GDP is 350 billion nominal and 1 trillion plus PPP , so expect nominal GDP of Karachi to be much lower

Nominal GDP of 240 billion , ppp of 400 billion for 2021 march , new data after 2021-22 is yet to come.

GDP of Karachi is 164 billion in ppp , like how Pakistani GDP is 350 billion nominal and 1 trillion plus PPP , so expect nominal GDP of Karachi to be much lower

Adding to that Karachi has been around 25 percent of Pakistani GDP for decade or two , so it should be 90 billion , lower than Bengaluru ,Kolkata , delhi and Mumbai

 

[faani83]

Since you are not Punjabi I'll translate
from 10 point on she is talking how she was abducted from a Muslim camp, massacre started, she was kidnapped
Asked to convert to Sikhism while she had no idea of what religion is and married the man as a 12 y/o to a 30 plus man - (and she is saying he gave me a good life, I have no complaints ...
after 5-6 they moved to Canada - she says she is happy with life but "dil dol da aye" when she thinks about her lost famil
She didn't know her gotra, only thing she knew was that it was a Jutt village so without details it was very hard for her to find her famil y)ily

At 1 hour .04 mark she talks about Muslims maidens/virgins in the dozens jumped in wells to save themselves

Muslims of the village were gathered/rounded up in a mud house mostly old, week peop
and in that house a fire was thrown inside the house from the roof top- they were burnt alive "tarpa, tarpa maarya aga la" or they died a slow death from burning, gasping for air while burning at the same time
no one goes to that house/area to this day as people hear their gasping voices ,leices

In the end she says I don't bring these things in my life, not the kind of things we should talk about

Muslim pop went from 40% to 1% something

She found her sister and family in Pakistan. Was waiting for her sister to come to Canada to meet her for the first time. But sadly, I think she has died....!

She found her sister and family in Pakistan. Was waiting for her sister to come to Canada to meet her for the first time. But sadly, I think she has died....!

YouTube connected Gurdev Sundhu to a sister she lost in the Partition of India

Partition survivor. Immigrant. Matriarch. Sister. Born May 23, 1929 in Punjab, India; died Aug. 15, 2020, in Vancouver, of cardiac arrest; aged 91.

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[Shakuni Mama]

Pakistani and Indian Punjabs have nothing in common except the language.

Most Punjabis in Pakistan don't even know there's a Punjab in India too. The cultural and religious differences are way too opposite in both Punjabs to try and link them together.

This is like saying most of the Pakistanis does not know there is a neighbor called Afghanistan too.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Lol. Some posts here are laughable.

Firstly, I would like to inform the members here that not all analysis is based on religion. So if you are linking economics with religion, have some valid reason else its just communalism.


Anyway, Punjab growth stagnated since Punjab is essentially agriculture driven. During the green revolution, Punjab farmers went overboard with the reforms, which now has downsides. But its nothing like what is being portrayed here, Indian Punjab has still higher per capita GDP than Pakistani Punjab. And if you dont believe statistics for whatever reason, just open up google maps and check the sort of development on both sides of the border.

What actually is laughable is that an Indian is trying to deny the existence of communalism and religion-based politics in India. You may deny it all you like but the fact remains that religious fault lines in India have always existed and they have become much deeper recently. Everything in India and Indian politics is related to religion in one way or another. As for Sikhs, the Indian constitution doesn't even recognize the monotheistic Sikhism as a religion distinct from Hinduism despite the fact that many Sikhs get offended when Sikhism is called a part of Hinduism.

 

[Tomtheguy]

What actually is laughable is that an Indian is trying to deny the existence of communalism and religion-based politics in India. You may deny it all you like but the fact remains that religious fault lines in India have always existed and they have become much deeper recently. Everything in India and Indian politics is related to religion in one way or another. As for Sikhs, the Indian constitution doesn't even recognize the monotheistic Sikhism as a religion distinct from Hinduism despite the fact that many Sikhs get offended when Sikhism is called a part of Hinduism.

Loved your profile picture , looks like you are another of those Kashmir independence brigade of keyboard warrior forces

 

[SaadH]

Indeed Pakistani Punjabi are really a unique group that they also named their arnaments on the invaders from Afghanistan and continue to offer their other cheek after getting slapped by brotherly Afghans.

In 70 years, we sacrificed our culture and language and adopted a foreign language just to find out that they immigrants still look down upon us in our own lands.

What is interesting to note is that despite every non punjabi showing concern on Punjabi nationalism, we never had something like Pushtunistan, Sindhu Desh, Jinnahpur or Azad Baluchistan. Maybe others need to look inward before they try to tell Punjabis what to do.

Of course you lot were equally disgusted with the Afghans when they were saving your collective butts from the Sikh and Maratha menace

 

[Maula Jatt]

Of course you lot were equally disgusted with the Afghans when they were saving your collective butts from the Sikh and Maratha menace

Read history...

 

[Vapnope]

Of course you lot were equally disgusted with the Afghans when they were saving your collective butts from the Sikh and Maratha menace

Saving our butts?
Afghans have only invaded and plundered this land they didn't even stop after 1947 when they started harboring militants of Faqir of IPi and they continue to harbor other bastards like NDS and TTP. Thank you but no thank you we owe nothing to the looters and plunderers.

Read history...

What history my man when a person thinks that Punjab only belongs to Muslims and tries to tell son soils that they are not son of soils. The praises of Afghans make me sick for they remain a constant pain in the *** even after hundred of years. Remind him which brotherly country didn't accept Pakistan and continue to throw tantrums on Durand line.

 

[KrimesKaster]

Lets see the reality, shall we?

Pakistan Punjab GDP per capita : USD 1727 (2021, after rebasing)
India Punjab GDP per capita : USD 2090 (2020 estimate)

India Punjab Infant mortality rate : 20 per 1000 (2018 data)
Pakistan Punjab Infant mortality rate : 75 per 1000 (2014 data, MDG 4.2, later data is not available)

India Punjab Literacy rate : 83.7 % (2021 data)
Pakistan Punjab Literacy rate : 64% (2021 data)

India Punjab Life expectancy : 71.6
Pakistan Punjab Life expectancy : Not available. Pakistan as a whole has lower life expectancy.

I will keep on adding more and more statistics as I go.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Lets see the reality, shall we?

Pakistan Punjab GDP per capita : USD 1727 (2021, after rebasing)
India Punjab GDP per capita : USD 2090 (2020 estimate)

India Punjab Infant mortality rate : 20 per 1000 (2018 data)
Pakistan Punjab Infant mortality rate : 75 per 1000 (2014 data, MDG 4.2, later data is not available)

India Punjab Literacy rate : 83.7 % (2021 data)
Pakistan Punjab Literacy rate : 64% (2021 data)

India Punjab Life expectancy : 71.6
Pakistan Punjab Life expectancy : Not available. Pakistan as a whole has lower life expectancy.

I will keep on adding more and more statistics as I go.

Tbf Pak Punjab is if Indian Punjab has to carry Rajasthan with it but with even more population (dry area in South which is backwaters so it's included in the PP as a whole)

So IP is representation of proper heartland of Punjab, while PP is not, it Carry underdeveloped areas that are not the easiest to develop for magnitude of reasons
Like PP is all of Punjab good and bad but IP is just central Punjab
Which was historically developed and is conductive to development compared to some arid or hard to develop place

just two-3 cites of Central P (in a area with dozen more cites) or areas adjoining IP in PP have more GDP than entire state, this is heartland

Look at this :

How can you take anything in that language seriously?

Is that Poon-jaabi?
You know Poon-jaaaabi?

Not that you ganga monkey should be talking about Punjab related anything