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Actually I wouldn't mind voting if BJP fielded Raman Singh or Nitish Kumar.

Why? So far you haven't ever agreed that the Congress isn't doing a good job, wouldn't that be a prerequisite to even consider the BJP/NDA? 
why are u avoiding this thread ..?:partay: lets hear what a staunch congi supporter has to say .!

Rajiv wanted Bofors payoffs in Congress coffers, ex-CBI chief says


You should read the article, not just the headline. It is not unflattering to Rajiv Gandhi.
 
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Why? So far you haven't ever agreed that the Congress isn't doing a good job, wouldn't that be a prerequisite to even consider the BJP/NDA?

What nonsense. I have always maintained that the congress is f**king all sorts of things up. But that Modi is not 'uncorrupt', a lot of hot air and worse still, apart from being corrupt, will fundamentally alter the society from being a largely tolerant one to being completely inteolerantt. Modi is a 'greater evil' than congress. But one so great that he needs to be countered.
 
Thanks for the shout out but these kinds of discussions go nowhere here. The debate seems completely polarised between the many BJP supporters & the fewer Congress supporters here to a point where everything lands in the gutter within the first few posts. The same kind of intolerance that is shown by certain members of political parties at an dissenting opinion is replicated almost faithfully here too.

As for the opinion on Narendra Modi & Rahul Gandhi, neither are the best their party can offer up. However Modi seems here to stay for now & while RG may or may not be a candidate, I think the Congress would be much better served with Chidambaram as a PM, if they do win. On the BJP side, I would think someone like Manohar Parrikar would have all the positives of Modi without the negative but public perception at this time is backing Modi. Those who oppose Modi completely are very unlikely to vote BJP regardless of who their candidate is, those who will seem to be on Modi's side even if there is some ambivalence in some quarters. The Congress has lost the economic plot more than a bit in this term and with that gone, they have very little to convince people for another shot which is why they are falling back on their old tricks of populism & pandering. Modi while being on a much sounder economic platform does not come across as being well rounded enough to be a PM, atleast not until now. Maybe that will change but we need to wait & see. The baggage he brings in is not inconsiderable & will bring adverse international attention, atleast in the beginning. However the most distasteful part seems to be a proliferation of his supporters who seem unable todiscuss without landing up in the gutter with invectives & personal attacks and an absolute intolerance for dissent (something that one congress supporters here also seems to revel in). We will all be poorer not being able to discuss, appreciate & make allowance for contrary opinions. Vajpayee was a master of that craft (probably the last master), unfortunately, it seems to have gone out with him.

The biggest challenge for Modi would be to control the same elements who put him in power. I am just afraid of that.
 
What nonsense. I have always maintained that the congress is f**king all sorts of things up. But that Modi is not 'uncorrupt', a lot of hot air and worse still, apart from being corrupt, will fundamentally alter the society from being a largely tolerant one to being completely inteolerantt. Modi is a 'greater evil' than congress. But one so great that he needs to be countered.

Dude.:wave: plz come to this thread..:enjoy:

Rajiv wanted Bofors payoffs in Congress coffers, ex-CBI chief says

We are all waiting...:sarcastic:
 
What nonsense. I have always maintained that the congress is f**king all sorts of things up. But that Modi is not 'uncorrupt', a lot of hot air and worse still, apart from being corrupt, will fundamentally alter the society from being a largely tolerant one to being completely inteolerantt. Modi is a 'greater evil' than congress. But one so great that he needs to be countered.
this thought is shadowed/hidden for the "greater unification of Hindutva people -Hindu Rashtra" with the "Muslim Killer" Naradham as the leader. they wanted to have riots all over the country and wants to cull Muslims and other minorities. Modi proved his worth by killing Muslims. this "Muslim Killer Modi" is loved by the Sanghi Natturam Godse's Children.
true secularism needs banning of extremist parties which are part and parcel of north Indian Hindu society viz RSS,VHP,Bajrang Dal etc. when you ban Islamist terrorist organizations, ban the homegrown terror outfits such as RSS,VHP,Shiva Sena,Bajrang dal etc.
the problem with Sanghies is, they find any anti-terror(RSS,BJP) as pro Congresss. No - Congress is Leecher - agreed. but, INC is still better for India than Hindu terror.
 
this thought is shadowed/hidden for the "greater unification of Hindutva people -Hindu Rashtra" with the "Muslim Killer" Naradham as the leader. they wanted to have riots all over the country and wants to cull Muslims and other minorities. Modi proved his worth by killing Muslims. this "Muslim Killer Modi" is loved by the Sanghi Natturam Godse's Children.
true secularism needs banning of extremist parties which are part and parcel of north Indian Hindu society viz RSS,VHP,Bajrang Dal etc. when you ban Islamist terrorist organizations, ban the homegrown terror outfits such as RSS,VHP,Shiva Sena,Bajrang dal etc.
the problem with Sanghies is, they find any anti-terror(RSS,BJP) as pro Congresss. No - Congress is Leecher - agreed. but, INC is still better for India than Hindu terror.
 
this thought is shadowed/hidden for the "greater unification of Hindutva people -Hindu Rashtra" with the "Muslim Killer" Naradham as the leader. they wanted to have riots all over the country and wants to cull Muslims and other minorities. Modi proved his worth by killing Muslims. this "Muslim Killer Modi" is loved by the Sanghi Natturam Godse's Children.
true secularism needs banning of extremist parties which are part and parcel of north Indian Hindu society viz RSS,VHP,Bajrang Dal etc. when you ban Islamist terrorist organizations, ban the homegrown terror outfits such as RSS,VHP,Shiva Sena,Bajrang dal etc.
the problem with Sanghies is, they find any anti-terror(RSS,BJP) as pro Congresss. No - Congress is Leecher - agreed. but, INC is still better for India than Hindu terror.
So This IS Secular Man Of India More than Modi In Your perspective Shame on u man!!!!
 
What nonsense. I have always maintained that the congress is f**king all sorts of things up. But that Modi is not 'uncorrupt', a lot of hot air and worse still, apart from being corrupt, will fundamentally alter the society from being a largely tolerant one to being completely inteolerantt. Modi is a 'greater evil' than congress. But one so great that he needs to be countered.

When Congress charged Modi with corruption in17 cases, Modi constituted a commission under ex Supreme court Judge Justice shah to investigate all 17 charges. Commission repeatedly gave advertisement in news paper that who so ever have any evidance against government may provide it. No body turned up. Than Commission wrote the letters to congress leaders to come and provide proof of irregularity. They said they will come but never went to commission to hand over proofs. Not only that Modi get public private partnership projects audited by CAG though they do not fall in CAG preview. In 2012 Gujarat elections, Congress run a massive drive to find corruption charges against Modi. They faild. So they decided to prepare fake sex CD of Modi. Work started but the plot leaked in between and fail.

Modi govt forms retired SC Justice MB Shah commission to probe 15 charges of corruption made by Congress | DeshGujarat

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-10-
04/ahmedabad/34259599_1_gujarat-government-bjp-leader-gujarat-congress


MB Shah Commission gives clean chit to Modi | Niti Central

Congress working on Narendra Modi sex CD: Saamna


अखबार के मुताबिक काग्रेसी टास्क फोर्स ने पहले नरेंद्र मोदी से जुड़े सारे कागजात और प्रॉजेक्ट खंगाले लेकिन उसे कोई ऐसी चीज नहीं मिली, जिससे मोदी को भ्रष्टाचार में घसीटा जाए। इसके बाद टास्क फोर्स ने फर्जी सेक्स सीडी बनाने का फैसला किया। लिखा है कि टास्क फोर्स और कुछ टीवी चैनलों के बीच इस फर्जी सेक्स सीडी को लेकर सेटिंग चल रही है। गुजरात में इसी साल नवंबर में विधानसभा चुनाव हैं।

Modi Sex CD : Congress making a false sex cd over narendra modi : Saamana 9481304
 
 

When Congress charged Modi with corruption in17 cases, Modi constituted a commission under ex Supreme court Judge Justice shah to investigate all 17 charges. Commission repeatedly gave advertisement in news paper that who so ever have any evidance against government may provide it. No body turned up. Than Commission wrote the letters to congress leaders to come and provide proof of irregularity. They said they will come but never went to commission to hand over proofs. Not only that Modi get public private partnership projects audited by CAG though they do not fall in CAG preview. In 2012 Gujarat elections, Congress run a massive drive to find corruption charges against Modi. They faild. So they decided to prepare fake sex CD of Modi. Work started but the plot leaked in between and fail.

Modi govt forms retired SC Justice MB Shah commission to probe 15 charges of corruption made by Congress | DeshGujarat

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-10-
04/ahmedabad/34259599_1_gujarat-government-bjp-leader-gujarat-congress


MB Shah Commission gives clean chit to Modi | Niti Central

Congress working on Narendra Modi sex CD: Saamna


अखबार के मुताबिक काग्रेसी टास्क फोर्स ने पहले नरेंद्र मोदी से जुड़े सारे कागजात और प्रॉजेक्ट खंगाले लेकिन उसे कोई ऐसी चीज नहीं मिली, जिससे मोदी को भ्रष्टाचार में घसीटा जाए। इसके बाद टास्क फोर्स ने फर्जी सेक्स सीडी बनाने का फैसला किया। लिखा है कि टास्क फोर्स और कुछ टीवी चैनलों के बीच इस फर्जी सेक्स सीडी को लेकर सेटिंग चल रही है। गुजरात में इसी साल नवंबर में विधानसभा चुनाव हैं।
Modi Sex CD : Congress making a false sex cd over narendra modi : Saamana 9481304
Besides that even the wiki leaks cables described Modi as the"incorruptible"
 
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NEW DELHI: Former Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi wanted commission paid by defence suppliers to be used exclusively for the purpose of meeting expenses of running the Congress, a former CBI director has claimed in his autobiography.

"Such a step would largely prevent the collusive nexus between the middlemen, ministers, bureaucrats and that such a step could enable the government to do away with the quid pro quo relationship with some unscrupulous businessmen and equally unscrupulous politicians and bureaucrats," writes Dr A P Mukherjee who was the CBI director in 1989-90.

Mukherjee said Gandhi explained his position in a meeting on June 19, 1989, during a meeting between the two at the Prime Minister's residence. In 1987, Gandhi got embroiled in the Bofors scandal, in which people close to him where accused of taking kickbacks from the Swedish artillery gun manufacturer for an Indian Army contract signed in 1986.

Mukherjee says Gandhi came to know towards the end of 1984 that some "senior officers of the armed forces had been surreptitiously collecting huge amounts of money as 'commissions' in respect of most of the defence purchases, quite often in connivance with some ministers, middlemen and civilian officers as well".

When Gandhi discussed the problem with some of his advisors, "it was suggested by some that all commissions as payable or usually paid to middlemen should be banned but the commissions to be given as a matter of routine practice by the suppliers of major defence materials could be pooled under the care of some non-government entity which could be utilised solely for the purpose of meeting the inescapable expenses of the party."

Mukherjee said Gandhi was also in favour of "some legislation in line with the practices of some of the Western countries where contributions to party funds by business and industrial houses and individuals were allowed with provisions for their proper accounting, auditing and public discourse". However, the "wild, motivated and widespread" adverse publicity generated by Bofors scandal obscured the prospect of proceeding further on the matter, Mukherjee says in his book. The book, "Unknown Facets of Rajiv Gandhi, Jyoti Basu, Indrajit Gupta", hit the book stands in recent days.

While profuse in his praise for Gandhi, Mukherjee says he is now disclosing the contents of the conversation "with this remarkable human being whose trust I was privileged to receive in ample measure".

Mukherjee also discloses that the young PM told him about the need for substantial amount of money for running a party like the Congress. "The requirement assumes a huge proportion on the eve of assembly and/or parliamentary elections. This leads to massive fund collections by important party functionaries all over the country, which leads to an almost unbreakable unholy quid pro quo nexus between unscrupulous party functionaries, ministers and businessmen. I could sense this as the party's general secretary or even as its youth leader earlier," Gandhi reportedly told Mukherjee.


ITS for the congis. they are absent from the original thread . thats's why i posted it here.
 
BJP likely to align with INLD ahead of Lok Sabha elections

For a party that is down and out with two of its top leaders behind bars in a corruption case, the Indian National Lok Dal (INLD) led by Om Prakash Chautala not only pulled off a spectacular political show on the birth centenary of Devi Lal held at Kurukshetra last week, but has also set off speculation about the likelihood of the BJP once again allying with it. That the saffron party is in a commanding position this time is more than evident from the unilateral offer of support for Narendra Modi by Abhay Chautala younger son of Om Prakash Chautala.

But the BJP, which was represented by its spokesperson Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi at the rally, is not biting as yet. This because both the senior Chautala a former Haryana Chief Minister and his elder son Ajay Chautala are in jail since January after being convicted by a CBI court for a scam in recruitment of 3,000 JBT teachers. Their appeal against the conviction is being argued before a single Bench of the Delhi High Court and a decision is expected sometime next month.

If the Chautalas get some relief from the Court it will most certainly end their current political isolation and make it possible for the BJP to once again join hands with it. From all indications, the BJP, which had an acrimonious split from the Chautalas during the 2009 Assembly elections--when it allied with the Haryana Janhit Congress (HJC) led by Kuldip Bishnoi, son of former Chief Minister Bhajan Lal--is not averse to having the INLD on board once again. The presence of Mr. Naqvi on the INLD’s stage where he called upon “all parties who oppose the Congress to come together and fight corruption and price rise” is seen as evidence of its interest in the INLD.

Meanwhile Punjab Chief Minister Prakash Singh Badal whose Shiromani Akali Dal (SAD) is in alliance with the BJP and he himself being a personal friend of the Chautalas, urged the two parties to forget past differences and join hands. BJP insiders admit that the conviction of the Chautalas is the major hurdle in forging a formal alliance as it would significantly dilute the saffron party’s anti- corruption plank in the Lok Sabha polls.

The INLD was a constituent of the NDA government and the alliance was based on the tried and tested combination of the INLD’s rural Jat vote-bank with the BJP’s primarily urban non Jat votes. Ideally, the BJP would like the INLD to come on board in addition to the HJC and also rebel Congress MP from Gurgaon Rao Inderjeet Singh who has influence in Ahir dominated areas of the State. But the HJC and the INLD are anathema for each other, the late Bhajan Lal and Mr Chautala having been on opposite side of the ideological divide.

According to BJP sources, Mr. Abhay Chautala’s announcement of support for Narender Modi means that even if the BJP does not forge a formal alliance with it an informal understanding on some seats cannot be ruled out. But there is a powerful section in the Haryana BJP that sees the people’s interest in Mr. Modi as an opportunity for the party to emerge out of the shadow of a regional player and become a major player in Haryana politics. For this it needs the dominant Jat votes (around 22%) and its Jat leaders like Captain Abhimanyu Singh claim that their feedback indicates a significant shift of the Jats towards Mr. Modi. So far, the Jat vote has been divided between the INLD and the Congress, both of which have prominent Jat leaders. The BJP reckons that if it gets a significant percentage of Jat votes in the Lok Sabha elections it can field a Jat as the chief ministerial candidate for the Assembly election due next October.

Not oblivious of this, the Congress is fast tracking the proposal to provide reservation in government jobs to Jats in the backward class category. If this comes through, the current interest for Mr. Modi among the rural Jats may well wane. In that eventuality the BJP will have no choice but to fall back on its former ally, the INLD to bring in some Jat votes.

BJP likely to align with INLD ahead of Lok Sabha elections - The Hindu
 
What nonsense. I have always maintained that the congress is f**king all sorts of things up. But that Modi is not 'uncorrupt', a lot of hot air and worse still, apart from being corrupt, will fundamentally alter the society from being a largely tolerant one to being completely inteolerantt. Modi is a 'greater evil' than congress. But one so great that he needs to be countered.
What????....Modi is a 'greater evil' than congress.....R u seroius....
The only thing that can be worse than a UPA-3 is nuking India back to stone age and starting all over again....Even in this case I have serious doubts...
 
Rajiv Gandhi 'worked as middleman' in aircraft deal: WikiLeaks
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NEW DELHI: According to latest WikiLeaksrevelations, former Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhimay have worked as a middleman for Swedish company Saab-Scania, which had tried to sell its Viggen fighter aircraft to India in the 1970s.

However, Saab-Scania eventually could not seal the deal, which went to British SEPECAT Jaguar. According to a report published in the Hindu, Rajiv was considered to be a valuable negotiator because of his family connections, states the paper, citing the Kissinger Cables, the latest bunch of classified cables of the US administration released by WikiLeaks.
 
Rajiv Gandhi 'worked as middleman' in aircraft deal: WikiLeaks
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NEW DELHI: According to latest WikiLeaksrevelations, former Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhimay have worked as a middleman for Swedish company Saab-Scania, which had tried to sell its Viggen fighter aircraft to India in the 1970s.

However, Saab-Scania eventually could not seal the deal, which went to British SEPECAT Jaguar. According to a report published in the Hindu, Rajiv was considered to be a valuable negotiator because of his family connections, states the paper, citing the Kissinger Cables, the latest bunch of classified cables of the US administration released by WikiLeaks.

Basically proves that he really did not want to enter politics and would not have done so if his mother had not been killed. From an airline pilot to a defence contractor, he was experimenting with ways to have a career outside of politics.
 
Narendra Modi is a Hindu nationalist, and thats all I want from my next PM. My vote goes to Modi.
 
Basically proves that he really did not want to enter politics and would not have done so if his mother had not been killed. From an airline pilot to a defence contractor, he was experimenting with ways to have a career outside of politics.


What its has to do with graft in aircraft deal?


Last fortnight CPI(M) MP Amal Datta suddenly dropped what appeared to be a bombshell in Parliament. He alleged that Rajiv Gandhi had stashed away a mind-boggling Rs.4,600 crore in Swiss banks. Despite the hullabaloo this raised, Datta's claim was suspect.


His source was an Imelda Marcos expose in the November 11 issue of a popular Swiss weekly, Schweizer Illustrierte (Swiss Illustrated). It also ran pictures of some Third World dictators and said they had fat Swiss bank accounts. Among them was Rajiv.

However, Datta himself later played it down by avoiding queries. Even the BJP and the Janata Dal have not pursued the issue so far. The reason: the magazine has a reputation for exaggerating and embroidering its stories.

The one on Imelda keeping money in Switzerland was based on the evidence revealed during an official Swiss probe. But the sums secreted away by others is not. Under the Swiss banking laws, unless there is an official investigation, one cannot find out the exact amount in any bank account.

Reliable sources at the Swiss Federal Banking Commission, the Federal Police and the Justice Ministry divulged that there was no official evidence of funds hidden by the Nehru-Gandhi family in Switzerland. The Swiss weekly's editor-in-chief and the story's author were not available for clarifications.

Datta's charge appears to be baseless.



Read more at: CPI(M) MP Amal Datta's Rajiv Gandhi's Swiss banks accounts allegation falls flat : INDIASCOPE - India Today
 
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