Indian Origin Material Used in IEDs Found In South Waziristan

[karan.1970]

doesn't hurt trying. At least speak up your mind, bring the issue to the table and let the world know what's been cooking on the Indian side, if any thing.

There is a reason Pakistan does not do that..

Its one thing to spew nonsense in media and misguide local population that desperately needs an external justification for the regular bomb blasts and other terrorist activities in Pakistan. This population does not need any tangible proof but only jingoist statements of its leaders to implicate India and absolve Pakistan for creating all these problems in the first place.

International forums are a different ball game all together. And Pakistan leadership knows that they dont have a foot to stand on in this case..

Incidently havent heard a peep on this from even China.. Have we??

 

[SMC]

Pakistani made explosives, guns and what not are recovered like every half a month from militants in India. Does India even considers them substantial enough to be proof? Pakistan will raise the issue? Just to fool their citizens.

Apples and oranges comparison. Those terrorists are from the region so they will use products. On the other hand, terrorists have to try really hard to get such products from india. If these are available on the shelf, why would the buy them from india?

What proof does Pakistan has that militants from their soil have not taken these items back for some use over their as well?

You have to word this better.

And in India when they recover such things, they display it to the media.

Displaying in media is enough proof / not displaying in media means nothing? So glaring oversimplicity here.

 

[SMC]

There is a reason Pakistan does not do that..

Its one thing to spew nonsense in media and misguide local population that desperately needs an external justification for the regular bomb blasts and other terrorist activities in Pakistan. This population does not need any tangible proof but only jingoist statements of its leaders to implicate India and absolve Pakistan for creating all these problems in the first place.

International forums are a different ball game all together. And Pakistan leadership knows that they dont have a foot to stand on in this case..

Incidently havent heard a peep on this from even China.. Have we??

Ah yes, all the other states involved are neutral and have no interests. And you work inside ISI and army to know that they have nothing to stand on. China is not a player in this war you idiot.

 

[karan.1970]

This is just one of the many evidences. Do you know all the evidence they have? Do you know what happens inside there (in ISI)?

Unlike you I dont have INSIDE SOURCES in ISI. I am only reacting to the news clipping. Also read carefully. I said IF this is the only evidence

Common indian fallacy. It was india who first started exporting terorrism in 1971. Yes you will use some justification for that but the same justification can be used for sending freedom fighters to Kashmir.

Common Pakistani fallacy... It was Pakistan who first started exorting terrorism in 1965. You will use some justification for that but the same justification can be used for helping freedom fighters in Bangladesh.

See how he said, she said works...

 

[karan.1970]

Ah yes, all the other states involved are neutral and have no interests. And you work inside ISI and army to know that they have nothing to stand on. China is not a player in this war you idiot.

No need to get personal. I know its a strong urge to lash out when your arguements are shot down, but lets keep it at a civilized level.. shall we??

O dont say that other states have no interest. That's why they need more credible evidence (like india provides that results in institutions in pakistan being banned as terrorist organizations) to take a stand.

I dont work inside army or ISI (allah na kare) but logically, if they had something, they would have disclosed it to media instead of talking about absurdities like this.

Just like west has interests in India, China has it in Pakistan. Why would China not speak on behalf of Pakistan if there is actually some credibility in Pakistan's claims...

 

[SMC]

Common Pakistani fallacy... It was Pakistan who first started exorting terrorism in 1965. You will use some justification for that but the same justification can be used for helping freedom fighters in Bangladesh.

See how he said, she said works...

It was carried out by the army along with guriellas. i.e. army participated in it. indian support for mukhti bahani on the other hand.. And moreover Bangladesh (East Pakistan) was not a disputed territory.

 

[SMC]

No need to get personal. I know its a strong urge to lash out when your arguements are shot down, but lets keep it at a civilized level.. shall we??

Cheap tactics. Your arguments were rebutted by their oversimplification which was obvious in your post, i.e. other states do not agree so Pakistan must be wrong. Oversimplification and not looking at the full context. Don't overestimate yourself and your arguments.

O dont say that other states have no interest. That's why they need more credible evidence (like india provides that results in institutions in pakistan being banned as terrorist organizations) to take a stand.

Again, have you seen the evidence to know it is not credible? BLA meeting their RAW handlers is not credible? And again as far as indian evidence goes, if its in a state's interests, they will believe it.

I dont work inside army or ISI (allah na kare) but logically, if they had something, they would have disclosed it to media instead of talking about absurdities like this.

Your logic is very limited. Do you think that's the only possibility? It's circumstancial disproving. Do you think evidence is always released to public? Do you think what you're being shown on tv is what is exactly happening in the world? i.e. nothing is happening behind the scenes that might be stopping ISI from displaying the evidence? Do you think fake evidence (i.e. 9/11) is never released to public

Just like west has interests in India, China has it in Pakistan. Why would China not speak on behalf of Pakistan if there is actually some credibility in Pakistan's claims...

How do you know China has seen the evidence? And west is fighting in WoT, China is not. Apples and oranges comparison.

 

[Trichy]

This is just one of the many evidences. Do you know all the evidence they have? Do you know what happens inside there (in ISI)?



Common indian fallacy. It was india who first started exporting terorrism in 1971. Yes you will use some justification for that but the same justification can be used for sending freedom fighters to Kashmir.

We got successes in our attempt in a year, but you cant even do it in 20 (62) Years...

It was carried out by the army along with guriellas. i.e. army participated in it. indian support for mukhti bahani on the other hand.. And moreover Bangladesh (East Pakistan) was not a disputed territory.

We got successes

 

[SMC]

We got successes in our attempt in a year, but you cant even do it in 20 (62) Years...



We got successes

Big deal. You defeated 1/4 of PA. It's irrelevent as far as the topic is concerned regardless.

 

[jagjitnatt]

The title is completely misleading. The PP is Indian, so what? its exported all over the world. Also it is not an explosive of any sort. It can sources from anywhere in the world and in small shops also.

Pakistan as of now has almost negligible evidence of Indian contribution in Waziristan or any such areas. All the evidence collected yet, is not credible. If ever they had some credible evidence they could have appealed in the UN, if not UN at least they could have displayed in the media, so the common pakistani could know. But they did nothing of that sorts and time and time again US, UK and other countries have rubbished their claims of Indian hand in terrorist activities.

 

[SMC]

The title is completely misleading. The PP is Indian, so what? its exported all over the world. Also it is not an explosive of any sort. It can sources from anywhere in the world and in small shops also.

Pakistan as of now has almost negligible evidence of Indian contribution in Waziristan or any such areas. All the evidence collected yet, is not credible. If ever they had some credible evidence they could have appealed in the UN, if not UN at least they could have displayed in the media, so the common pakistani could know. But they did nothing of that sorts and time and time again US, UK and other countries have rubbished their claims of Indian hand in terrorist activities.

All 50 year old indian arguments that have all been dealt with.

 

[jagjitnatt]

All 50 year old indian arguments that have all been dealt with.

You wanna say Indians took explosives to Pakistan and wrote Reliance Industries all over it to tell you who did it???

Seems a little out of place don't you think??

Also if you are done dealing with it, then why are you frustrated?
Chill.

 

[SMC]

Perhaps an analogy. When india was complaining against Pakistan sending freedom fighters to Kashmir, no one in the west listened. They had no interests in it. Same thing can apply here. Oversimplified arguments being put forward by indians are only circumstancial disproof.

 

[karan.1970]

It was carried out by the army along with guriellas. i.e. army participated in it. indian support for mukhti bahani on the other hand.. And moreover Bangladesh (East Pakistan) was not a disputed territory.

The only difference in 1965 and 1971 was that 1965 failed and 1971 succeeded..

See the futility of harping on disputed territory claims. Your arguement is self defeating. Bangladesh not being a disputed territory got separated from pakistan and Kashmir being proclaimed as disputed from 1947, is still with India...

 

[SMC]

You wanna say Indians took explosives to Pakistan and wrote Reliance Industries all over it to tell you who did it???

Seems a little out of place don't you think??

But then the same argument can be made about Mumbai attack and the evidence provided for it.