Indian Ocean: the new Great Game

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Sure man, go on. The fact remains, that the Chinese materials are cheap, reverse engineered copies of Russian stuff, while India either license produces, or develops it itself.

LOL back to square one... the India ultimate argument --> China copy = poor. (period)

 

[EzioAltaïr]

LOL back to square one... the India ultimate argument --> China copy = poor. (period)

Can you provide any evidence to the contrary?

 

[sancho]

As I said before your Navy and air force is just a laugh stoke, no nation is scare of you and over-inflated military power. You only have geographical advantage as close to Indian Ocean...that’s about it.

We don’t want aircraft carrier race with India : State-run Chinese daily
China does not want to “engage in a carrier competition with the US or its Asian neighbours like India”, a state-run Chinese daily said on Thursday.


An article in the Op-Ed section of the Global Times said: “…China has neither the desire nor the strength to engage in a carrier competition with the US or its Asian neighbours like India.”...

We don’t want aircraft carrier race with India : State-run Chinese daily


Don't fool yourself buddy, any realistic thinking human won't have much problems to see, that there is only the USN that have more strength in the Indian Ocean area, next to Indian Navy! Add the capabilities of IAFs and INs shore bases, as well as the geographical location between important sea lanes, India is obviously the key to control of these waters.

Without ports in the area to station and support PLANs fleet, only their subs will be a threat to India in the next few years, especially because PLAN lack the forces to project their power and because their priority remains to defend Chinas costlines and your area of interest in the East, not to the Indian Ocean.
The same is the case for Indian navy today and projecting our power to the Chinese Sea, which is not going to happen anytime soon as well, even if we will have new carriers soon. Our priority is also to defend our country and areas of interest close.

So all there is today, is the "possibility" that India could join the US camp, in case of a conflict with China and if that happens. That obviously worries your forces, especially PLAN, since they can't fight USN in the East and keep the sea lanes open in the Indian Ocean against IN at the same time. Just like a 2nd borderline would be a major strategic disadvantage for China as well, because you have to split your forces.
But as I said, it's just a possibility! India normally remains independent and if China is not going to increase border issues with us, we have more in common, than we differ on several things. It's just up to your policy against us, to decide which way we will go.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

We don’t want aircraft carrier race with India : State-run Chinese daily


Don't fool yourself buddy, any realistic thinking human won't have much problems to see, that there is only the USN that have more strength in the Indian Ocean area, next to Indian Navy! Add the capabilities of IAFs and INs shore bases, as well as the geographical location between important sea lanes, India is obviously the key to control of these waters.

Without ports in the area to station and support PLANs fleet, only their subs will be a threat to India in the next few years, especially because PLAN lack the forces to project their power and because their priority remains to defend Chinas costlines and your area of interest in the East, not to the Indian Ocean.
The same is the case for Indian navy today and projecting our power to the Chinese Sea, which is not going to happen anytime soon as well, even if we will have new carriers soon. Our priority is also to defend our country and areas of interest close.

So all there is today, is the "possibility" that India could join the US camp, in case of a conflict with China and if that happens. That obviously worries your forces, especially PLAN, since they can't fight USN in the East and keep the sea lanes open in the Indian Ocean against IN at the same time. Just like a 2nd borderline would be a major strategic disadvantage for China as well, because you have to split your forces.
But as I said, it's just a possibility! India normally remains independent and if China is not going to increase border issues with us, we have more in common, than we differ on several things. It's just up to your policy against us, to decide which way we will go.

China has never claim the bravery to open two front war (India + US) as you claim against China and Pakistan at the same time, who ever dream of that is bolywood.

Indian Navy sure has advantage in Indian Ocean due to the geographic location and reinforcement support that's undeniable facts...as I mention ealier that we chinese has advantage to be your neighbor...some of you folks thinks Indan Navy can control set blocus to Chinese Merchant ships without impunity...that's the laugh stock...we can sacrify few merchants ship against your millions of your north-east people without water...so your geographical advantage mean nothing for us, we don't even bother to send PLAN for any escort.

If any of you you think to use the geographic advantage of Indian Ocean as bargain to settle ours border issue...that will be a mistake...our Tibet geographical hold the live line of millions Indians too...quite a good bargain don't you think?

 

[arp2041]

China has never claim the bravery to open two front war (India + US) as you claim against China and Pakistan at the same time, who ever dream of that is bolywood.

Indian Navy sure has advantage in Indian Ocean due to the geographic location and reinforcement support that's undeniable facts...as I mention ealier that we chinese has advantage to be your neighbor...some of you folks thinks Indan Navy can control set blocus to Chinese Merchant ships without impunity...that's the laugh stock...we can sacrify few merchants ship against your millions of your north-east people without water...so your geographical advantage mean nothing for us, we don't even bother to send PLAN for any escort.

If any of you you think to use the geographic advantage of Indian Ocean as bargain to settle ours border issue...that will be a mistake...our Tibet geographical hold the live line of millions Indians too...quite a good bargain don't you think?

Any act of blocking of Chinese shipping by IN in Malacca Strait will be in response to the Chinese aggression (if any) which will be totally justifiable for the defence of the country & will be indeed supported by international community, but stopping water will be seen as an act of war against entire humanity & will not even be supported by China's most staunchest allies. If stopping of water source of the people was so easy than India would had won all the war against Pakistan without firing a single bullet, so IMHO just think before u post next time.

 

[tvsram1992]

you just contradicted yourself when you said “At least no one claims our part of Bay of Bengal , Arabian sea and Indian Ocean “, who tell you that we’re fiction claimer? our government did make the official statement about SCS.

And don’t flattered yourself in with your adventure in SCS, it’s a joke of 21 st century:..make spineless statement as “SCS is properly of the world” then pull out with tail between the legs with the excuse that you find not oil in that area.. the initial intention was to blackmail China to pull out P-O-K but we didn’t back down and still continue to build infrastructure in that area...Now your gorverment is crying on our defense minister's shoulder in visite to India and beg us to pull out

As I said before your Navy and air force is just a laugh stoke, no nation is scare of you and over-inflated military power. You only have geographical advantage as close to Indian Ocean...that’s about it.

I claiming bay of bengal is different from my country claiming by drawing imaginary borders . You need to educate yourself . Every one who sees your claim that you own SCS even where it is few kilometers to Vietnam border can tell you that you are fictional claimer . Yes China not having capacity to find a sub in its own waters is joke of 21st century , i expect the joke to be continued to next century too as we know Chinese capability . SCS is not property of world its property of China, Vietnam ,Taiwan, Phillipines... but Vietnam is ready to sell its property . First we never cried its you scared of our uncle . You came and begged us that please dont form alliance against us . Your initial plan was string of pearls but when we entered SCS you were scared and you went back with a bang . Yes we have advantage also we have andaman and lakshadweep islands , which make most of the bay ours ... no need for us to claim it . You cant say that you have geographic advantage when you are on war . Thats like female saying i have been r*ped just because i ve disadvantage of having holes .

 

[Ticker]

yes india must allow usa to set up base in Arunachal pradesh.

yeah .... do that and you will have a completely independent NE in six months.

 

[tvsram1992]

yeah .... do that and you will have a completely independent NE in six months.

we have been waiting since independence but nobody has balls to do so , while we broke up a country and showed our talent .
btw what made you think we will let US in our land ?

 

[Ticker]

we have been waiting since independence but nobody has balls to do so , while we broke up a country and showed our talent .
btw what made you think we will let US in our land ?

Yeah sure ......

.......There are parts of India where diverse set of freedom movement groups run their own independent governments, collect taxes, maintain functional bureaucratic institutions, judiciary and maintain well organized regular and trained armies. On 30 June 2012, the Army of Government of People’s Republic of Nagaland held an openly announced passing out parade of a batch of officers at their military base Khehoi, merely 40 kilometers from Rangapahar, Dimapur. Rangapahar is the Headquarters of Indian Army 3 Corps and is a big cantonment also housing large Para-military force nearby. Yet the Indian Army and other security apparatus did not have the courage to establish the writ of Indian government......

India has 140 known Secessionist/Freedom Movements operating in its 28 States and 7 Union Territories « dbsjeyaraj.com

 

[sancho]

China has never claim the bravery to open two front war (India + US) as you claim against China and Pakistan at the same time, who ever dream of that is bolywood.

But that is the crucial difference, we have to do it out of necessity with 2 nuclear powers as neighbors that has attacked us in the past. China instead is creating this 2 front war on your own will and it's not the only issue that you have created in the recent years with other Asian countries, although a positive foreign policy could have handled them easily too.
The outcome is, that America can regroup their troops with the only purpose to weaken you, because they count on Vietnamese, Philipines now to support them in the East and hope that India will take control of the Indian Ocean area and the Indo-Chinese borders.
You got yourself into problems without any reasons, because there was no reason to increase forces in Tibet, since India has no intererest in that region or even to attack you at all. Same goes for threatening smaller Asian countries. You are pushing them in the hands of the US and that's counterproductive for Chinas growth as a superpower equal to the US, just like the importance of Asia on a global level!

some of you folks thinks Indan Navy can control set blocus to Chinese Merchant ships without impunity.

That's the likely scenario if India joins an US - Chinese conflict, because PLAN can't afford to send credible forces to the Indian Ocean, when the US are increasing their already superior presence around China and the Pacific. Also who talks about some merchant ships, it's aber closing oil supply to the East, or at least dramatically reducing it. IN is capable to do that, especially with the modernisations of the next few years and your leaders / forces know exactly what that would mean in conflict scenario.

That are reasons why they want landbased pipelines from central Asian countries, or through Pakistan would be important alternatives to the sea routes. However, if you would have tried to get us closer to you, instead of threaten us, there wouldn't be a reason for us to think about such scenarios. Your race with the US for the leading superpower is hardly interesting for us, so there would have been way better ways for you.

 

[tvsram1992]

Yeah sure ......

.......There are parts of India where diverse set of freedom movement groups run their own independent governments, collect taxes, maintain functional bureaucratic institutions, judiciary and maintain well organized regular and trained armies. On 30 June 2012, the Army of Government of People’s Republic of Nagaland held an openly announced passing out parade of a batch of officers at their military base Khehoi, merely 40 kilometers from Rangapahar, Dimapur. Rangapahar is the Headquarters of Indian Army 3 Corps and is a big cantonment also housing large Para-military force nearby. Yet the Indian Army and other security apparatus did not have the courage to establish the writ of Indian government......

India has 140 known Secessionist/Freedom Movements operating in its 28 States and 7 Union Territories « dbsjeyaraj.com

So what ? still they are part of India and we can loot the NE as whatever way we can . We are not the country ruled by PM,President,Army,Terrorists and finally Drones Still those movements couldnt even make an single inch of land away from India .

 

[HeinzG]

Any act of blocking of Chinese shipping by IN in Malacca Strait will be in response to the Chinese aggression (if any) which will be totally justifiable for the defence of the country & will be indeed supported by international community, but stopping water will be seen as an act of war against entire humanity & will not even be supported by China's most staunchest allies. If stopping of water source of the people was so easy than India would had won all the war against Pakistan without firing a single bullet, so IMHO just think before u post next time.

Clearly scared......... you are nailed here dude

 

[Ticker]

So what ? still they are part of India and we can loot the NE as whatever way we can . We are not the country ruled by PM,President,Army,Terrorists and finally Drones Still those movements couldnt even make an single inch of land away from India .

Which India are you talking about.

Where Indian Army is just sitting in another country as guests.

Where merely 40 KM away from an Indian Army Corps Headquarters and other troops, an independent Army holds an open passing out parade of its officers' batch.

Where the Indian Army can not dare move against the secessionists.

Where independent countries are being run within India.

What is your country ruled by - men wearing bangles and sitting in safe heavens.

 

[ajtr]

What is your country ruled by - men wearing bangles and sitting in safe heavens.

India is ruled by women who have guts to make enemy generals surrender and make them publicly wear bangles .......

yeah .... do that and you will have a completely independent NE in six months.

India has not yet done it coz india does learn lesson from its neighbours experiences..tue chanakaya of india..........

 

[perplexed]

Clearly scared......... you are nailed here dude

U are wrong !! Do u think IN can only apply choke at malacca ? IN can very well plug it way before it reaches Gwadar.. ( Gulf of Aden )

That region is teaming with IN frigates at the moment.. U just order them to point their gun the other way from somalia then wham.. u have a blockade