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In the old days, the names for the naval ships, basically referred to the size and capabilities of a warship, with Frigate being the smallest and least well armed to the Cruiser being the heaviest and best armed and destroyer falling somewhere in between. These got superseeded by the battleship and then the aircraft carrier ofcourse and today, the carrier remains the most powerful of all warships.

If needed, the origins of these can be discussed to death but I feel this thread is not the appropriate one. The same definition still holds true with the frigate being smaller and lightly armed and destroyers being more heavily armed. However, these classifications now vary from country and region (unlike the old days!)

Thanks dude had this doubt for a very long time

 

[Kinetic]

Carrier battle groups to add muscle to Navy



‘‘By 2014-2015, we should have two full-fledged CBGs, with their accompanying fighters and other aircraft, destroyers, frigates and tankers. It will make a huge difference,’’ said Navy chief Admiral Nirmal Verma, talking exclusively to TOI.

The first CBG will be centred around the 44,570-tonne Gorshkov, rechristened INS Vikramaditya, which India will now get in early-2013 under the fresh $2.33 billion deal inked last month. ‘‘We hope to run Vikramaditya for 40 years,’’ said Admiral Verma. The second CBG will be around the 40,000-tonne indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC), whose keel was laid at Cochin Shipyard in February 2009. ‘‘There is some delay but it will be launched by first half of 2011. We should get it by 2014,’’ he added. The 45 MiG-29K fighters, contracted from Russia for about $2 billion, will operate both from Vikramaditya and IAC. Incidentally, a 65,000-tonne IAC-II is also on the drawing board. ‘‘It will be much bigger and capable of operating fighters, AEW (airborne early-warning) aircraft, tankers etc,’’ Admiral Verma said.

‘‘Construction of support and escort warships for the CBGs is going well,’’ said Admiral Verma. Under the Rs 8,101 crore Project-17 at Mazagon Docks, for instance, the first of the 5,300-tonne stealth frigate INS Shivalik will be commissioned this month.

‘‘The second (INS Satpura) will be delivered later this year and the third (INS Sahyadri) next year,’’ he said.

Carrier battle groups to add muscle to Navy - The Times of India

 

[Ingis]

Great news! India will be the first and only Asian country to build fighter jet aircraft carriers and operate carrier battle groups (CBGs).

 

[jagjitnatt]

Great news! India will be the first and only country to build fighter jet aircraft carriers and operate carrier battle groups (CBGs).

first country? i thought every country with an AC has a carrier group. enlighten please.

 

[lhuang]

^ lol no, France/UK/Russia/US/others?

 

[Ingis]

first country? i thought every country with an AC has a carrier group. enlighten please.

My bad. I meant first "Asian country".

 

[BJlaowai]

My bad. I meant first "Asian country".

Nope. Wrong again. Japanese had CBGs during WW-II.
Also, India has CBG's since 1961 with Vikrant Aircraft carrier.
Thailand too operates a small aircraft carrier.

 

[gowthamraj]

Nope. Wrong again. Japanese had CBGs during WW-II.
Also, India has CBG's since 1961 with Vikrant Aircraft carrier.
Thailand too operates a small aircraft carrier.

wat Thailand have aircraft carrier?

 

[tariqkhan18]

Carrier battle groups to add muscle to Navy

Indian CarrierNothing projects geostrategic power better than aircraft carriers prowling on high seas. Powerful fighter jets tearing into the skies from a moving airfield, which can travel 600 nautical miles a day, can send shivers down any adversary’s spine. Carrier-battle groups (CBGs) can, after all, rapidly respond across the entire spectrum of operations as ‘‘situation changers’’ in times of crisis. It’s no wonder then that US has as many as 11 CBGs to deploy around the globe, giving it the capability to strike almost anywhere.

India has been making do with a solitary carrier, the 50-year-old INS Viraat, since 1987. But now, with India and Russia finally ending their bitter wrangling over the huge cost escalation in Admiral Gorshkov’s refit, the Navy is steaming towards its aim of deploying two CBGs in Indian Ocean and beyond. ‘‘By 2014-2015, we should have two full-fledged CBGs, with their accompanying fighters and other aircraft, destroyers, frigates and tankers. It will make a huge difference,’’ said Navy chief Admiral Nirmal Verma, talking exclusively to TOI.

The first CBG will be centred around the 44,570-tonne Gorshkov, rechristened INS Vikramaditya, which India will now get in early-2013 under the fresh $2.33 billion deal inked last month. ‘‘We hope to run Vikramaditya for 40 years,’’ said Admiral Verma. The second CBG will be around the 40,000-tonne indigenous aircraft carrier
(IAC), whose keel was laid at Cochin Shipyard in February 2009. ‘‘There is some delay but it will be launched by first half of 2011. We should get it by 2014,’’ he added. The 45 MiG-29K fighters, contracted from Russia for about $2 billion, will operate both from Vikramaditya and IAC. Incidentally, a 65,000-tonne IAC-II is also on the drawing board. ‘‘It will be much bigger and capable of operating fighters, AEW (airborne early-warning) aircraft, tankers etc,’’ Admiral Verma said.

But for now, Navy’s intention is to ‘‘stretch’’ the operational life of the 28,000-tonne INS Viraat, even though it’s left with only 11 of its Sea Harrier jump-jets, till IAC is commissioned. With as many as 40 warships and submarines on order, coupled with a dedicated communication satellite to be launched later this year by Isro, Navy is fast emerging as a true-blue three-dimensional blue-water force.

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[KEETARP]

Talking of AEW platform ,
means US by giving regular demonstrations has completely influenced Indian navy to consider E2D hawkeye.
I dont buy this , E2d cant exceed what shore-based G550 Phalcon AWACS can give.

What tanker is he referring to ???????????? ,
is it possible to fly something like A330 or IL78 from ship . Must be some USN unique tanker offered to IN.
Regards.

 

[gubbi]

Talking of AEW platform ,
means US by giving regular demonstrations has completely influenced Indian navy to consider E2D hawkeye.
I dont buy this , E2d cant exceed what shore-based G550 Phalcon AWACS can give.

What tanker is he referring to ???????????? ,
is it possible to fly something like A330 or IL78 from ship . Must be some USN unique tanker offered to IN.
Regards.

Tankers here mean supply and refueling ships - part of CBGs, not tanker aircraft. There are no tanker aircraft operating from aircraft carriers, unless we are talking about buddy-refueling.

 

[Donatello]

I doubt if A330 can be put on a catapult for take off........too heavy and too fragile. Same for IL-78. Maybe what he means is a fighter or two converted to carry external fuel tanks only, like the USN F-18s, i think there is thread on that. You might want to search for it...

 

[KEETARP]

I know abt Buddy refueling , even MIg29 K of ours have it. Nothing new

But read the line carefully it specifically mentions Tanker operating from AC. Could be Reporting mistake????.

Here it is-
Incidentally, a 65,000-tonne IAC-II is also on the drawing board. ‘‘It will be much bigger and capable of operating fighters, AEW (airborne early-warning) aircraft, tankers etc,’’ Admiral Verma said.

 

[gubbi]

Reporting mistake, probably 'journalistic freedom'!
I think having an exclusive 'tanker' aircraft (presumably even if its a modified E-2D type aircraft) on an aircraft carrier is a waste of resources of the boat, not to mention valuable space. Does anyone have any examples of such exclusively 'tanker' aircraft operating on any boats, past or present?

 

[Donatello]

I know abt Buddy refueling , even MIg29 K of ours have it. Nothing new

But read the line carefully it specifically mentions Tanker operating from AC. Could be Reporting mistake????.

Here it is-
Incidentally, a 65,000-tonne IAC-II is also on the drawing board. ‘‘It will be much bigger and capable of operating fighters, AEW (airborne early-warning) aircraft, tankers etc,’’ Admiral Verma said.

It would be a reporting mistake, or something that the journalist miss-understood. I mean, i don't see A-330 taking off from an aircraft carrier. It has too much weight plus too big of a wing span. It's a wide body aircraft and even civilian airports have to be certified to handle wide body aircraft.