Indian Navy News & Discussions

[Penguin]

i read somewhere that IN wants JSS but can't find it anymore and could someone please confirm if they want 4 LPDs or LHDs
i'd be very thankful????

This suggests the requirement varied between LPD and LHA
Multi-Role Support Vessel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Multi-Role Support Ship (MRSS)

Newspapers suggest actually LPDs.
four new LPDs, which will be built by Hindustan Shipyard (HSL)
Amphibious vessels to strengthen Navy - The Times of India
Hindustan Shipyard Limited (HSL) is expected to achieve a turnaround soon with the Ministry of Defence deciding in principle to award an order for construction of two Landing Platform Docks (LPDs) – also known as large amphibious assault warships to give a fillip to strategic sealift capability of the Navy.HSL all set to stage a comeback - The Hindu

LPDs such as the Dutch and Spanish operate accommudate 6 NH-90. LPD does not rule out a helicopter capability nor does helicopter capability necessarily mean LHD.

 

[sancho]

i read somewhere that IN wants JSS but can't find it anymore and could someone please confirm if they want 4 LPDs or LHDs
i'd be very thankful????

Would be great, but so far the whole RFP process is as usual pretty nonsens. The requirements says LDPs, but most specs could include LHDs too and the reports are changing on and on, so nobody knows what IN really wants, most likely not even they.

 

[Penguin]

Would be great, but so far the whole RFP process is as usual pretty nonsens. The requirements says LDPs, but most specs could include LHDs too and the reports are changing on and on, so nobody knows what IN really wants, most likely not even they.

Well,... they are consistently called LPD. And while DCNS build the Mistral LHD and Navantia builds the Juan Carlos I BPE (LHA), both also build LPDs. For the former, that is the Foudre class. The latter offers a range of LPDs along the same line as the Dutch Rotterdam and UKs Bay class (Damen/Schelde Enforcer series)

India : INDIAN NAVY Announces Tender for Four Landing Platform Dock Ships at a Cost of US$2.6 Billion
Article from: Mena Report | December 26, 2013
The Indian Navy has announced a tender for the domestic construction of four landing platform dock (LPD) ships at a cost of around US$2.6 billion.

Construction of two of the ships will be carried out in a private shipyard, while the other two will be built by the state-owned Hindustan Shipyard Limited (HSL).

The work had also received offers from international builders like Spain s Navantia and DCNS of France.

India : INDIAN NAVY Announces Tender for Four Landing Platform Dock Ships at a Cost of US$2.6 Billion | HighBeam Business: Arrive Prepared

India : STAFF at COCHIN SHIPYARD Urged Union Defence Minister to Get LPDs from Navy
Article from: Mena Report | January 3, 2014

The employees of the Cochin Shipyard Ltd (CSL) are worried over the shipyard s elimination from the bidding procedure for the construction of Landing Platform Docks (LPD) for the Indian Navy.

The trade unions at the shipyard, forgetting their party differences, have requested the

Union Defence Minister A. K. Antony to assign the CSL with the LPD construction job on nomination basis, similar to the Hindustan Shipyard Ltd (HSL).

HSL has secured two nomination-based LPD deals from the Indian Navy. Moreover, the Indian Navy has awarded the rest two LPDs via tender procedure with restricted tender requests, through receipt of bids from private yards like ABG, Pipavav and L&T.

India : STAFF at COCHIN SHIPYARD Urged Union Defence Minister to Get LPDs from Navy | HighBeam Business: Arrive Prepared

 

[DacterSaab]

thanks guys but what about JSS ships?

 

[Penguin]

thanks guys but what about JSS ships?

What about it? It is neither LPD nor LHD. Folks shouldn't confuse multi-role-ship (principally a landing ship, with dock, with peacetime humanitarian tasks) with Joint support ship (the latter principally being a resupply vessel, with strategic lift capability: no dock)

 

[sancho]

Well,... they are consistently called LPD.

I know, but the specs in the RPF are so basic, that they could include LHDs like the Mistral, or a smaller Juan Carlos too. It simply doesn't rule out anything and I know from discussions with French reporters, that not even DCNS knew till last year what IN actually wanted. They propsed the Mistral, but also an LDP conversion if needed.

 

[nomi007]

next carrier base aircraft of indian navy

 

[Abingdonboy]

next carrier base aircraft of indian navyView attachment 23258

The N-LCA will have folding wings? First I've heard.....


Highly doubt it...

 

[sancho]

The N-LCA will have folding wings? First I've heard.....


Highly doubt it...

Afaik that's a very old media article (talks about GE 404 engine) and yes it won't have folding wings.

 

[nomi007]

The N-LCA will have folding wings? First I've heard.....


Highly doubt it...

check pic carefully

 

[nomi007]

INS Vikramaditya left defenseless.

According to latest reports , this Indian Naval flagship will just be a floating target for the next 3-4 years as it won't have any defense against missiles, aircraft and submarines due to the delays in installing defense systems.

India will reportedly arm it with Barak-8 and several CIWS. Since they have rejected both Ak-630 and Kashtan and have opened a competition for it, RAM and Phalanx may be under consideration. But the Russian systems will most likely be selected.

It's supposed escort , the INS Kolkata with its excellent SAM capability will also be almost defenseless due to delays in procuring Barak-8.
report

 

[Penguin]

INS Vikramaditya left defenseless.

According to latest reports , this Indian Naval flagship will just be a floating target for the next 3-4 years as it won't have any defense against missiles, aircraft and submarines due to the delays in installing defense systems.

India will reportedly arm it with Barak-8 and several CIWS. Since they have rejected both Ak-630 and Kashtan and have opened a competition for it, RAM and Phalanx may be under consideration. But the Russian systems will most likely be selected.

It's supposed escort , the INS Kolkata with its excellent SAM capability will also be almost defenseless due to delays in procuring Barak-8.
report

Just decommission INS VIraat and reuse its 2x 40mm Bofors, 2x 30mm AK230 twin, 2x8 VL Barak Sam and 1 x EL/M-2221 STGR fire control radar. She has her air wing and her escorts.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Just decommission INS VIraat and reuse its 2x 40mm Bofors, 2x 30mm AK230 twin, 2x8 VL Barak Sam and 1 x EL/M-2221 STGR fire control radar. She has her air wing and her escorts.

It isn't a question of lack of funds,

IN doesn't want the AK-630 CIWS on any of their new Warships- it's far too outdated hence the ongoing competiton.

Why does the IN need to get used VL BARAK-1 launchers off the Viraat? The IN already has the VL BARAK-1 launchers for the Viky but are waiting on the BARAK-2 to be operational so as to avoid excessive time in docks, it wants to get the most time at sea as possible to train both aviators and seamen. As such in around 18 months when the BARAK-2 is ready to be installed on the IN's frontline warships the Viky will go to dock to have the BARAK-1 and 2 and the winner of of the ongoing CIWS competion, all in one go along with the EL/M-2258 fire control radar.

 

[Penguin]

It isn't a question of lack of funds,

I didn't say it was lack of funds, I merely proposed a solution to Vikra being not armed.

IN doesn't want the AK-630 CIWS on any of their new Warships- it's far too outdated hence the ongoing competiton.

Funny you should say that, because the latest batch of Talwar class ships were not delivered with the newer Kashtan gun/missile system (as was the case with the first 3), or with their current equivalent Palma/Palash but rather with ... 2x single AK630! It has become standard fit to in IN to have some AK630 plus some VL Barak. Shivalik's have them. Kolkata's has received it too....

Why does the IN need to get used VL BARAK-1 launchers off the Viraat?

Because Viraat needs to be decommissioned anyway and it seems a waste to throw away its armament when her replacement is unarmed. It can mostly be bolted on deck, little if any structural work.

The IN already has the VL BARAK-1 launchers for the Viky but are waiting on the BARAK-2 to be operational so as to avoid excessive time in docks, it wants to get the most time at sea as possible to train both aviators and seamen. As such in around 18 months when the BARAK-2 is ready to be installed on the IN's frontline warships the Viky will go to dock to have the BARAK-1 and 2 and the winner of of the ongoing CIWS competion, all in one go along with the EL/M-2258 fire control radar.

If they have the Barak 1 for Vikramaditya ready, then there should not be outcry over her not being armed for the next 3-4 years. (i.e. I doubt it)

 

[Abingdonboy]

Funny you should say that, because the latest batch of Talwar class ships were not delivered with the newer Kashtan gun/missile system (as was the case with the first 3), or with their current equivalent Palma/Palash but rather with ... 2x single AK630! It has become standard fit to in IN to have some AK630 plus some VL Barak. Shivalik's have them. Kolkata's has received it too....

The Kastan's were found to be ineffective in Indian conditions hence the reversion to the AK-630 for the last batch of Talwars and also hence why the Kashtan is NOT being invited to bid in the IN's ongoing CIWS competition. So the IN fell back on the trusted AK-630 that is well known to them and being built under-licence in India.


All future main IN warships (IAC-1, P-17A, P-15B, LHD/LPD etc etc) will have this next-fen CIWS not the AK-630 just like the Viky.

Because Viraat needs to be decommissioned anyway and it seems a waste to throw away its armament when her replacement is unarmed. It can mostly be bolted on deck, little if any structural work.

Like I said, the IN wants to minimise the Viky's time in dock and maximise its time at sea. You or I saying it is a minor job and won't take much time to install the BARAK-1 are commenting as outsiders with little insight into the ground realties. The IN is making their decisions from an informed position with all the facts in front of them and have made this decision accordingly...