Indian Navy gets 5th Scorpene-class submarine Vagir

[adelphi]

Stop reading what is written in pakistani textbook and google it international sources

You didn't take out any submarine. Sinking of Ghazi was accident. Pakistani text books are still better than your masala movies.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

You didn't take out any submarine. Sinking of Ghazi was accident. Pakistani text books are still better than your masala movies.

BHai - I am not in any mood for an argument.

Let's agree that the Ghazi submarine, she was Lost under mysterious circumstances during the war of 1971 war. ..Thanks

 

[alimobin memon]

Childrens thread or mature people ?

Pakistan navy suffered great loss in 1971 compared to indian navy we lost huge chunk of navy.

Learn lessons not troll.

 

[Hephaestus]

Kardi na Imran Khan wali baat.

Nailed it!

 

[MirageBlue]

I hope they go for three more follow on submarines.

It is the most likely thing that'll happen, given that P-75I project has gone nowhere at all. There are all the facilities and experience at MDL to build more Scorpenes.

And now DRDO will be integrating it's indigenous AIP with the INS Kalvari, after getting it certified by Naval Group.

Indian AIP to be fitted on 1st Scorpene

Indian AIP

In a major milestone for indigenous submarine tech, and a long-standing demand by the Indian Navy, a homeground air-independent propulsion (AIP) system has been cleared for integration on the first Made-in-India Scorpene class submarine INS Kalvari.

In a statement just out, the Indian Ministry of Defence has said, “Fuel Cell-based Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) system of DRDO’s Naval Materials Research Laboratory (NMRL) will soon be fitted onboard INS Kalvari. An agreement was signed between senior officials of NMRL and Naval Group France in Mumbai on January 23, 2023 to extend cooperation to enter into the detailed design phase for integration of indigenous AIP in the Kalvari class submarines. As part of the agreement, Naval Group France will certify the AIP design for integration in the submarines.”

AIP systems, when fitted on conventional diesel-electric submarines, significantly enhance a submarine’s submerged endurance and therefore its overall stealth. While Scorpene maker Naval Group’s own in-house MESMA AIP system has been on offer ever since the submarine building contract was signed in 2007, India’s DRDO has contended since that time that an imported system will not be required as an in-house AIP is getting off the ground.

To be sure, the DRDO AIP has taken its time to achieve technical maturity, but the fact that it has now been cleared for integration indicates that a highly complex system has been developed indigenously, and crucially without outside help.

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[datafreak]

I hope they go for three more follow on submarines.

Wasn't the discussion for 5? And I beleive more recently the chat was around 'Super Scorpene' - bigger and more capable with more content from DRDO. Among the better ideas we had recently, allows us to use the current scorpene production facilities for more decades. I say give approval immedeately so that we will be ready with them as soon as the Kilos are ready to retire we can get them into service.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

It is the most likely thing that'll happen, given that P-75I project has gone nowhere at all. There are all the facilities and experience at MDL to build more Scorpenes.

And now DRDO will be integrating it's indigenous AIP with the INS Kalvari, after getting it certified by Naval Group.

Indian AIP to be fitted on 1st Scorpene

Indian AIP

Idiot babus are sitting in government office.

What kind of people we got it. They planned something and somewhere in 2004 but almost after 20 years.... Still, planning...

 

[datafreak]

It is the most likely thing that'll happen, given that P-75I project has gone nowhere at all. There are all the facilities and experience at MDL to build more Scorpenes.

And now DRDO will be integrating it's indigenous AIP with the INS Kalvari, after getting it certified by Naval Group.

Indian AIP to be fitted on 1st Scorpene

Indian AIP

P75I has been scrapped (modified?), they looking for more and bigger 'super scorpene' with DRDO AIP. A very good decision.

 

[MirageBlue]

Idiot babus are sitting in government office.

What kind of people we got it. They planned something and somewhere in 2004 but almost after 20 years.... Still, planning...

it isn't just the bureaucrats who sunk the P-75I tender. It is the kind of requirements that the IN set, which none of the current submarines could meet.

Plus the Strategic Partner model which was extremely difficult to actually put into practice.

But it isn't too late as yet. Scorpenes with AIP are more than sufficient for the IN's needs till it starts getting indigenous SSNs.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

it isn't just the bureaucrats who sunk the P-75I tender. It is the kind of requirements that the IN set, which none of the current submarines could meet.

Plus the Strategic Partner model which was extremely difficult to actually put into practice.

But it isn't too late as yet. Scorpenes with AIP are more than sufficient for the IN's needs till it starts getting indigenous SSNs.

You are reffering to current state.

Planning and execution by indian MoDS.
In 1997, it was approved a plan to acquire 24 submarines. The hell way they handled the P75 project,

Parrikar once offered to approve the three follow scorpion submarines but indian navy rejected it.

Then came up with the specifications that does exist with the available diesel submarines.

What kind of hell is that..

 

[Hellfire2006]

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If you know this, you are awesome

How old are these orions. Are they in any respect as capable as the P8I. Time to send these old geezers to the boneyard bro.

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yes few cargo ships destroyed.. and small navy ships damaged... in response.. INS Khukri with complete crew of > 200 sailors was obliterated and INS Kirpan was paralyzed .. The worst ever damage to ships by a submarine after WWII...

dude Pakistan navy lost 2 destroyers, 1 frigate, 1 minesweeper, 3 Large Patrol vessels, 1 Submarine, 18 Fleet support vessels along with 1,900 personnel killed in action and 1,500 taken prisoner.

On the other hand indian navy lost just a single frigate INS khukhri in the entire conflict. Only 194 indian Navy personnel were killed in action and none taken prisoner.

 

[MM_Haider]

dude Pakistan navy lost 2 destroyers, 1 frigate, 1 minesweeper, 3 Large Patrol vessels, 1 Submarine, 18 Fleet support vessels along with 1,900 personnel killed in action and 1,500 taken prisoner.

Hahaha … you have really lost your mind. Guess you study this history in your Arnab Goswami type ashrams .. even highly manipulated Wikipedia against Pakistan doesn’t show this number .. go read again .. Indian navy was put to shame by Hangor .. which didn’t hit oil storage facilities but real ships Khukri and kirpan bring eventual peace in Arabian Sea

Indian navy shamelessly celebrates 4 December as ‘navy day’ while erroneously labelling Operation Trident as the ‘decisive naval operation’, which in accordance with any agreeable military definition of a ‘decisive action’ is untrue. Had Trident been decisive there wouldn’t have been the necessity of Python and later Triumph. On the contrary, Hangor’s act squarely fits the defining markers of a ‘decisive military operation’, which significantly altered Indian approach to the Arabian Sea. Indian navy quickly cancelled the ‘planned’ Operation Triumph and did not conduct any further naval operations in the area off Pakistani coast.

Induan navy was so scared of PAF that they didn’t even dare come closer to port and did firing miles far to run away … and you shameless claim prisoners… smoke some good shit

 

[Hellfire2006]

Hahaha … you have really lost your mind. Guess you study this history in your Arnab Goswami type ashrams .. even highly manipulated Wikipedia against Pakistan
doesn’t show this number .. go read again ..
Indian navy shamelessly celebrates 4 December as ‘navy day’ while erroneously labelling Operation Trident as the ‘decisive naval operation’, which in accordance with any agreeable military definition of a ‘decisive action’ is untrue. Had Trident been decisive there wouldn’t have been the necessity of Python and later Triumph

I can give you the names and date of the warships sunk. These losses are verified by Pakistan Navy and the crew of the lost ships have been honoured by Pakistan Navy as well
Trident and Python were great successes and that's not even disputed by your own historians. In what sense were these two ops not decisive ?
I Hope you'll trust dawn news

A leaf from history: When the war began

The Indian air force had been carrying out reconnaissance flights over West Pakistan during December, 1971, along the 2,430-km border.

www.dawn.com

From the article
While Indian air force attacked Pakistani installations every day, the Indian navy launched an attack on the Karachi port — the lifeline of Pakistan. Called Operation Trident the Indian navy used missile boats which damaged Pakistani destroyer PNS Khyber and a minesweeper PNS Muhafiz on the night of December 4 and 5.

Pakistan Navy suffered another loss when its submarine PNS Ghazi sank in the Bay of Bengal, where India had enforced a naval blockade of East Pakistan. Here India’s only aircraft carrier Vikrant was deployed not only to carry out a naval blockade of Bay of Bengal but to undertake air attacks inside East Pakistan. This also made East Pakistan navy ineffective


Indian navy undertook another operation against Karachi titled Operation Python on the night of December 8 and 9, and sank three merchant navy ships but the loss of oil reserves at the port was severe. All 22 fuel tanks were ablaze for three days. After December 8, Karachi seaport virtually stopped operating. Trade stood still. Besides the damage caused to the naval facilities at Karachi harbour, the attacks caused serious damage to civilian life and material

Indian navy was put to shame by Hangor .. which didn’t hit oil storage facilities but real ships Khukri and kirpan bring eventual peace in Arabian Sea

Why do you have to resort to lies buddy, Kirpan was never sunk. It serves till 1988 infact.

On the contrary, Hangor’s act squarely fits the defining markers of a ‘decisive military operation’, which significantly altered Indian approach to the Arabian Sea. Indian navy quickly cancelled the ‘planned’ Operation Triumph and did not conduct any further naval operations in the area off Pakistani coast.

Lol, in thw entire war indian Navy just lost one warship with 194 men, and that too a ww2 era frigate to a modern french daphne class submarine. Losing a single warship is decisive ? Yes saar Pakistan Navy won the War saar, Indian navy lost big time saar, Pakistani navy did not lose 2 destroyer, 1 minsesweeper, 1 frigate , 18 fleet support vessels and 1 submarine saar. Ghazi Sank Vikrant saar. Karachi port did not burn for three days saar , Pakistan destroyed mumbai saar, All hail Pak Navy saar.
is this really what you're taught in Pakistan that by sinking a single indian warship Pakistan navy won the entire war while losing 5X as many major combatant ships.

Induan navy was so scared of PAF that they didn’t even dare come closer to port and did firing miles far to run away … and you shameless claim prisoners… smoke some good shit

Yes saar, even Pakistan Navy is afraid of Pakistan Air force
a Pakistan Navy Fokker Friendship reconnaissance aircraft on 6 December 1971, incorrectly reported a frigate of the Pakistan Navy as an Indian Navy missile boat. The PNHQ requested a Pakistan Air Force air strike on the supposed Indian ship. At 06.45 am (PKT), fighter jets were scrambled and strafed the vessel before it was identified as the frigate PNS Zulfiqar. This friendly fire incident resulted in casualties and damage to the vessel.

Yeah buddy PAF sure casted fear in hearts of PN sailors

And there were 1,500 PN sailors taken PoW in east Pakistan along with rear admiral rank officers

 

[MM_Haider]

I can give you the names and date of the warships sunk. These losses are verified by Pakistan Navy and the crew of the lost ships have been honoured by Pakistan Navy as well
Trident and Python were great successes and that's not even disputed by your own historians. In what sense were these two ops not decisive ?
I Hope you'll trust dawn news

Number you mentioned in post #26 is wrong and BS specifically to operation Python and Tridant.

Now let me reiterate why Tridant and Python were not decisive and kill of Khukri was. Had Trident been decisive there wouldn’t have been the necessity of Python and later Triumph. On the contrary, Hangor’s act squarely fits the defining markers of a ‘decisive military operation’, which significantly altered Indian approach to the Arabian Sea. Indian navy quickly cancelled the ‘planned’ Operation Triumph and did not conduct any further naval operations in the area off Pakistani coast.

Why do you have to resort to lies buddy, Kirpan was never sunk. It serves till 1988 infact.

I mentioned earlier it was paralyzed. read again.

Lol, in thw entire war indian Navy just lost one warship with 194 men, and that too a ww2 era frigate to a modern french daphne class submarine. Losing a single warship is decisive ? Yes saar Pakistan Navy won the War saar, Indian navy lost big time saar, Pakistani navy did not lose 2 destroyer, 1 minsesweeper, 1 frigate , 18 fleet support vessels and 1 submarine saar. Ghazi Sank Vikrant saar. Karachi port did not burn for three days saar , Pakistan destroyed mumbai saar, All hail Pak Navy saar.
is this really what you're taught in Pakistan that by sinking a single indian warship Pakistan navy won the entire war while losing 5X as many major combatant ships.

it is just copy paste of Wikipedia's manipulated information. Nothing else. It is neither about entire war being fought thousand KM away where indian state sponsored terrorists were involved in insurgency and Soviet was helping IN

Yes saar, even Pakistan Navy is afraid of Pakistan Air force
a Pakistan Navy Fokker Friendship reconnaissance aircraft on 6 December 1971, incorrectly reported a frigate of the Pakistan Navy as an Indian Navy missile boat. The PNHQ requested a Pakistan Air Force air strike on the supposed Indian ship. At 06.45 am (PKT), fighter jets were scrambled and strafed the vessel before it was identified as the frigate PNS Zulfiqar. This friendly fire incident resulted in casualties and damage to the vessel.

Yeah buddy PAF sure casted fear in hearts of PN sailors

And there were 1,500 PN sailors taken PoW in east Pakistan along with rear admiral rank officers

too much wikipedia copy paste.. by the way have you ever heard of PAF attacking OKHA port and Mi17 heli crash in occupied Kashmir in 2019?

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/budgam-helicopter-crash-feel-cheated-says-family-of-sergeant-on-board-mi-17/article62003409.ece

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[sms]

Hahaha … you have really lost your mind. Guess you study this history in your Arnab Goswami type ashrams .. even highly manipulated Wikipedia against Pakistan doesn’t show this number .. go read again .. Indian navy was put to shame by Hangor .. which didn’t hit oil storage facilities but real ships Khukri and kirpan bring eventual peace in Arabian Sea

Indian navy shamelessly celebrates 4 December as ‘navy day’ while erroneously labelling Operation Trident as the ‘decisive naval operation’, which in accordance with any agreeable military definition of a ‘decisive action’ is untrue. Had Trident been decisive there wouldn’t have been the necessity of Python and later Triumph. On the contrary, Hangor’s act squarely fits the defining markers of a ‘decisive military operation’, which significantly altered Indian approach to the Arabian Sea. Indian navy quickly cancelled the ‘planned’ Operation Triumph and did not conduct any further naval operations in the area off Pakistani coast.

Induan navy was so scared of PAF that they didn’t even dare come closer to port and did firing miles far to run away … and you shameless claim prisoners… smoke some good shit

Quote from something written by "Raja Rab Nawaz from, Pakistan Navy"

The Pakistan Navy was in no position to respond to the Indian naval challenge in the East, where it never maintained more than a gunboat squadron and a few old river craft on a permanent basis. Even its capacity to undertake limited operations in the West was far from adequate. To rectify the strategic posture submarine GHAZI was deployed to the Bay of Bengal. However, after its reported loss on 3 December 1971, the Indian fleet faced virtually no opposition from the Pakistan Navy. The carrier-based aircraft were extensively used by the Indian Navy against a variety of targets ashore. A defensive minefield in the approaches to Chittagong port denied direct access to the Indian forces, which subsequently carried out an amphibious landing at Cox’s Bazar. This unchallenged presence of Indian Navy ruled out any possibility of reinforcement of troops in the beginning of the war or their withdrawal at a later stage.

179 In the western theater, Indian Navy successfully employed its Osa class missile boats and carried out two raids on shipping and shore installations at Karachi. It Story of the Pakistan Navy, resulted in sinking of two Pakistan Navy ships and damaging another. A few merchant ships at Karachi anchorage and an oil terminal at Keamari were also targeted during these raids.

The third missile attack by the Indian Navy was aborted after a successful attack by Pakistan Navy Submarine HANGOR on 9 December, which resulted in sinking of Indian Navy frigate KHUKHRI. This modest success took the pressure off from Pakistani coast and restored the morale of officers and men. Given its state of preparedness due continued neglect in the decade preceding the war and the lack of emphasis on the protection of sea communications, the Pakistan Navy was in no position to face the Indian threat. The Indian attacks on Karachi confirmed that the threat to Pakistan was not purely over land. It also exposed the vulnerability of Pakistan’s international commerce to interdiction