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These are all fake stories, because unlike the case with Maqbool Hussein, their is no evidence where these statements are coming from. Most likely some Hindutva propaganda!

It's terrible what the Savage Indians did to this man, may Allah (SWT) bless him, and give strength to others who are in a similar position.

Zaid Hamid talks about this great hero much of his videos... Some of the statements can be found in this video:

Li4WGpt3FzU[/media] - Identity: Pakistan (Part 1)

For us, zaid hamid doesn't qualify as the real voice of Pakistan, as his views are basically based on Ethiopian way of thinking.

However the fact is torture exists in both parts of the world, and if you fail to see that, then you fail to see the problems of Pakistan, and if you don't see that how will you rectify it. So i would say we should be open to all information and not just be blinded by A story. There might be hundreds of such untold stories, many people might have died in Pakistani jails without the world every knowing, those poor people might not have T.V or a CAMERA to tell their stories.. And the stories you presented above is a televised version of the so called stories told by individuals, whatever the fact is.We can stop thinking by just saying these are all propaganda..!!! But i know that allegations of torture might be true...!!!! so stop playing god.. and please come down to earth..!!!!
 
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IF these are your intentions then why do you keep on blaming India s for everything....if you have no mercy ....why do you want others to be merciful.....


Read This before you start shouting anti India slogans....


Indian POWs from the 1971 War ******* IN TSP JAILS! Have we forgetten them!!

Kargil hero recalls war and Pakistan captivity

Last time we released an indian, a dead tortured body of a Pakistani cricket fan was given to us. Pakistan is not going to make the same mistake of releasing an Indian prisoner.

Kashmir Singh, a man who admitted he was an indian spy, was well feed healthy and himself said he was treated well in Pakistani jail. When his wife saw him, she said he put on a lot of weight.

It cant be compared to the Pakistanis that were realeased from Indian jails, who came with no toe-nails and were malnourished, weak, and pale.
 
Last time we released an indian, a dead tortured body of a Pakistani cricket fan was given to us. Pakistan is not going to make the same mistake of releasing an Indian prisoner.

Kashmir Singh, a man who admitted he was an indian spy, was well feed healthy and himself said he was treated well in Pakistani jail. When his wife saw him, she said he put on a lot of weight.

It cant be compared to the Pakistanis that were realeased from Indian jails, who came with no toe-nails and were malnourished, weak, and pale.



Khalid came to India March 2005 to watch an India-Pakistan Test match. He over-stayed in India beyond the period allowed in his visa.

He was put on the list of 11 “missing” Pakistani cricket fans, who never returned to Pakistan after the 2005 Test series. The police nabbed him in 2006.


Then we have two conflicting theories:

  • Pakistan Claims he was tortured and killed.
  • India claims he died of liver infection.


No one in India or Pakistan saw his body...there is no media image or even a picture of his dead body submitted as a proof to India authorities to prove that he died of torture....

There are just media reports...claims but no proof....no postmortem was conducted by Pakistani Authorities. Pakistani Government had a great opportunity to isolate India on basis of Human Rights Violation in international diplomacy but they did not even conduct a probe........

They were just media reports.....
 
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Khalid’s body sends shock waves across nation

Tuesday, March 11, 2008


LAHORE: The arrival of the body of Khalid Mahmood from India after the Pakistan government released a convicted Indian spy has sent shock waves across the nation besides upsetting human rights activists who supported the release of the spy.

A county cricketer, Khalid Mahmood visited India in 2005 to see a cricket match where Indian agencies arrested him after finding him without passport. Indian authorities took the youth into custody on charges of espionage and later awarded him death.

His brother Ubaid Ullah talking to The News criticised the government of Pakistan for not taking notice of the killing of a Pakistani by India and that too after Pakistan released the Indian spy, Kashmir Singh. He said they had to even hire the ambulance that brought Khalid's body to the dead house for a forced post-mortem, as the bereaved family insisted otherwise.

"We were informed by government officials that our brother had died a sudden death in an Indian prison exactly an hour after the return of Kashmir Singh to India. Federal Minister for Human Rights Ansar Burney along with other Pakistani officials saw Kashmir Singh off as if he were a hero," Ubaid said. He said Burney had also said to receive the body of Khalid at the place where he let go the Indian spy but no government official turned up.

Khalid's elder brother Siddiq said they tried to ring Ansar Burney but all his contact numbers were switched off. They would not forgive him (Burney) on the Judgment Day, he added.

He said Khalid had sent them a couple of letters and messages from the Indian prison to the effect he had been facing torture at the hands of Indian authorities. "My mother, younger sister and the youngest brother went to see Khalid in the Indian jail in November 2006 and found him unable to walk or speak properly because of the torture inflicted on him. We wrote letters to different Pakistani ministers and the officials concerned to take up the matter with the Indian authorities at a proper level but to no avail," Siddiq said.

He said his family considered the Pakistan government responsible for his brother's death as it remained busy obliging Indians by releasing their spies instead of talking about its own citizens.

"Khalid told his mother and siblings that Indians were torturing him gruesomely as they had pulled his nails, used to pour hot water on his head making him bald, put to electric shocks his feet, tongue and other sensitive parts keeping him hand-cuffed," he said. He added they brought those facts to the government's notice but all those gory details could not move Pakistani officials to take any action.

He said Khalid was a pious person and offered prayers five times a day. He was arrested by Indian officials after he lost his documents in Munali. He informed his family that they wanted him to admit that he was involved in Bombay bombings and other violence in India. He told his mother that their torture would kill him.

Khalid's body was handed over to Pakistani officials Monday evening in the presence of law-enforcement agencies and his kinsfolk. The body was then taken to the dead house where, according to the relatives, officials were delaying his post-mortem.

According to the information provided by the duty officer at Batapur police station, Khalid, 25, a son of Abdul Hakeem, was a resident of a village Islam Din near Batapur. His father had already died. A school teacher, he was fourth among nine brothers and three sisters.

Khalid's best friend and neighbour Naved Hussain told The News that Khalid was a cricket fan right from his childhood and his craze for seeing a cricket match between India and Pakistan cost him his life.

He said he was the captain of their local county's cricket team and used to organize cricket tournaments. Besides being friendly, he said, Khalid was an innocent person who could not be involved in activities like espionage. His friends among whom he grew up knew him very well; he was not that type of person, he added.

Burney was contacted on his mobile phone numbers 0333-5234313, 0300-8243460 and 051-9202400 but he could not be contacted for comments. On the other hand all major human rights organizations including the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) kept silent on the issue.

Online adds: Foreign Office Spokesperson Muhammad Sadiq expressed resentment that the Indian government had concealed Khalid's death. He said the death of Khalid was regrettable as the Indian government deliberately kept the Pakistan government ignorant about the incident in sheer violation of human rights. "We have been informed after 20 days of his death which is not only violation of human rights but also against the moral and religious norms," he said.

He said the government of Pakistan was in close contact with the Indian authorities, and would make the facts public if any progress was made. About the release of Kashmir Sindh, the spokesman said the release was made purely on humanitarian grounds, in the light of Islamic teachings and expecting reciprocity from India.



Khalid’s body sends shock waves across nation
 
That's precisely what I am saying ....Pakistani authorities did not do their job...of Putting this case forcefully with India government..otherwise the guilty would have been brought to justice....


By the way... similar cases of Torture are claimed against Pakistani authorities...

Pakistan `tortured Indians to death' - World, News - The Independent

Then why wasn't Indian spy Kashmir Singh ever tortured, instead he was a jolly fat man healthy as ever, and even admitted he was treated well in Pakistani jail.
 
Then why wasn't Indian spy Kashmir Singh ever tortured, instead he was a jolly fat man healthy as ever, and even admitted he was tread well in jail.

Ok ...now let me teach you some International law....


Once Kashmir Singh accepted that he was a foreign national and it was proved with the help of documentation (which Pakistani Administration had enough....and Indian government admitted that he was an Indian)..it became Obligation of Pakistani Administration to keep him alive and well so as to avoid international backlash....


But Khalid had 1. Overstayed his visa. 2. he had no documents to prove any thing...and Pakistani authorities made no efforts to search for 11 Missing persons along with him...just a missing person report was filed by Pakistan Embassy. .....There is a long list of Pakistani citizens overstaying their Visa in India........

So to Local police he was a Pakistani Spy until and unless he could prove otherwise....so he was treated just like other criminals are treated.......and may be he could not survive the conditions.
 
Ok ...now let me teach you some International law....


Once Kashmir Singh accepted that he was a foreign national and it was proved with the help of documentation (which Pakistani Administration had enough....and Indian government admitted that he was an Indian)..it became Obligation of Pakistani Administration to keep him alive and well so as to avoid international backlash....


But Khalid had 1. Overstayed his visa. 2. he had no documents to prove any thing...and Pakistani authorities made no efforts to search for 11 Missing persons along with him...just a missing person report was filed by Pakistan Embassy. .....There is a long list of Pakistani citizens overstaying their Visa in India........

So to Local police he was a Pakistani Spy until and unless he could prove otherwise....so he was treated just like other criminals are treated.......and may be he could not survive the conditions.

That makes sense why you tortured him to death just because he said he was PAKISTANI and a CRICKET FAN :tsk:
 
That makes sense why you tortured him to death just because he said he was PAKISTANI and a CRICKET FAN :tsk:


Omar, I think you did not read the media reports.....He lost his passport....had no identity..


Tell me one thing.....If you go to a foreign country....how do you take care of your Documents......you make sure you keep them cloase to you and keep them safe because they are the only identity you have in the foreign land......

What shocks me...that a Fan who was on a tourist visa...1. loses his visa....loses his passport.....does not get in touch with his countries foreign office.....

On one hand Pakistani papers claim that he was not allowed to speak to Pakistan embassy...and on the other hand it is claimed that he called up his mother to tell her that he was being tortured.... don't you find both these claims stupid..........:hitwall:

I agree he died in Indian prison.....but claiming that he died of torture....is baseless until Pakistani authorities could prove that he died of torture........ till the time you can prove it ..its just media frenzy......:agree:


Read this excerpt from media report...

"He had gone to India to watch a match in early 2005 where he lost his passport and ended up in an Indian jail on spying charges," Mahmood's brother, Fateh Mohammad Sadiq, told Reuters.

"Without a passport, he could not return and was arrested months later after his relatives in India refused to shelter him out of fear because he did not have a passport," Sadiq said.



By the way this is what India reports claim about him..
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/dead-pak-cricket-fan-had-sensitive-documents-india/61121-2.html
 
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Omar, I think you did not read the media reports.....He lost his passport....had no identity..


Tell me one thing.....If you go to a foreign country....how do you take care of your Documents......you make sure you keep them cloase to you and keep them safe because they are the only identity you have in the foreign land......

What shocks me...that a Fan who was on a tourist visa...1. loses his visa....loses his passport.....does not get in touch with his countries foreign office....

He was a cricket fan, his purpose for visiting India was to watch a cricket match and maybe this was his first time visiting a foreign country and he was not aware of these things.

On one hand Pakistani papers claim that he was not allowed to speak to Pakistan embassy...and on the other hand it is claimed that he called up his mother to tell her that he was being tortured.... don't you find both these claims stupid..........:hitwall:

Pakistan embassy in India was also to be blaimed. Khalid Mahmood didnt call up his mother and siblings, they went to India to visit them, it says in the article above.

I agree he died in Indian prison.....but claiming that he died of torture....is baseless until Pakistani authorities could prove that he died of torture........ till the time you can prove it ..its just media frenzy......:agree:

They showed his body in Pakistani channels, he was severely tortured, his toe nails and finger nails were torn apart and was bruised. Pakistan government is to be blame as well because at that time this crazy Pak-Hind fake friendship was going on, they didnt put pressure on India as the public and his family wanted. There's no reason for his family to lie. They said what Khalid Mahmood had told them in Indian prison.
 
They showed his body in Pakistani channels, he was severely tortured, his toe nails and finger nails were torn apart and was bruised. Pakistan government is to be blame as well because at that time this crazy Pak-Hind fake friendship was going on, they didnt put pressure on India as the public and his family wanted. There's no reason for his family to lie. They said what Khalid Mahmood had told them in Indian prison.

Do you have some links to some video........Pakistanis media regularly posts such videos on the web.....please post the link if you have one.....
 
This is what is claimed by India media ....Dead Pak cricket fan had sensitive documents: India

It does not matter what Indian media says. It matters what his blood relatives say who went to visit him in Indian jail and talked with him.



Khalid's elder brother Siddiq said they tried to ring Ansar Burney but all his contact numbers were switched off. They would not forgive him (Burney) on the Judgment Day, he added.

He said Khalid had sent them a couple of letters and messages from the Indian prison to the effect he had been facing torture at the hands of Indian authorities. "My mother, younger sister and the youngest brother went to see Khalid in the Indian jail in November 2006 and found him unable to walk or speak properly because of the torture inflicted on him. We wrote letters to different Pakistani ministers and the officials concerned to take up the matter with the Indian authorities at a proper level but to no avail," Siddiq said.

He said his family considered the Pakistan government responsible for his brother's death as it remained busy obliging Indians by releasing their spies instead of talking about its own citizens.

"Khalid told his mother and siblings that Indians were torturing him gruesomely as they had pulled his nails, used to pour hot water on his head making him bald, put to electric shocks his feet, tongue and other sensitive parts keeping him hand-cuffed," he said. He added they brought those facts to the government's notice but all those gory details could not move Pakistani officials to take any action.

He said Khalid was a pious person and offered prayers five times a day. He was arrested by Indian officials after he lost his documents in Munali. He informed his family that they wanted him to admit that he was involved in Bombay bombings and other violence in India. He told his mother that their torture would kill him.


Khalid’s body sends shock waves across nation
 
BTW I wouldn't call Khalid Mahmood's family's comment "media frenzy", they went to see Khalid Mahmood in Indian prison and told what he said.

Ever heard of A criminals family agreeing that their son/daughter is a criminal?

People keep on playing Victim card every time they are under the scanner........

In Terrorist organizations.....terrorists are given training to Involve Human rights groups....and play such dirty games all the time.........
Involve their family...and community...and claim that they are being mishandled......just to get millage and public sympathy...
 
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