Indian Fighter Competition Nears Finals...

[Anna hajare]

RAFALE all the way. EFT is just a costly machine. plus critical US components plud saudi also having EFT. all this reduces chance of EFT and increases rafale chance.

 

[Anna hajare]

ANy information about the fina date of announcement. If anyone has please share.

 

[sancho]

And I asked bout the US origin kit on the EFT and his answer was not really that surprising- there are many US origin subsystems and avionics on the EFT as the EFT/European consortium didn't have the technical know how to develop and manufacture the entire plane from the ground up.

Sub systems, but not main techs like the radar, or the engine and that's the main difference between EF/Rafale compared to the Gripen and why there won't be any later integration of US techs. However, you are right about that the EF will have more US parts, thanks to BAE but since they, or UK and also ITA have such close relations to the US, that shouldn't be surprising or?

I'd be very surprised, I don't think HAL the Indian equivalent of CAC have the capability nor will the Euro Fighter consortia share cutting edge fabrication technology with India. Remember the Typhoon is 70% composite by weight, while the Rafale has less composites than India's LCA - Rafale will be easier for HAL-India to absorb.

I also think that the ToT/offset requirement might be too high for Indian industry, but composites should be the least problem, because we do have some credible knowledge in this field. Btw, LCA integrates more composites than both MMRCAs!

LCA: 90% of the surface structure, 45% by weight
Rafale: 75% / 30%
EF: 70% / 40%
Pak Fa (FGFA said to get more): 70% / 25%

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

@Anna Hazare-^^^Probably September end and if either one objects then another 5 years

 

[khatarnak gunda]

EFT will win for sure unless IAF/MOD gets bribed by French, the RAfale is a good strike fighter but the EFT is better air superiority fighter with just as capable strike role

both fighters are very capable one is like mango the other is like pear

you are absolutely right about rafale that it is very good strike fighter but can you please elaborate how you get the information that eu fighter is as capable in strike role??? eu fighter is extremely good air superiority fighter. and just FYI india does have a very good bird in this catagory... everyone knows, MKI.

may this is the BEST reason why rafale should be chosen besides all other benefits or features.

 

[ptltejas]

Out of six fighters contended four were failied to ignite engine at Leh however details not disclosed which four fhters were there.

 

[Abingdonboy]

It's a hard call to make- Rafele self proclaimed "Omnirole" fighter.

EFT- defined as an "air superiority" fighter and used as such by the countries who operate it.

But the Rafele in this sense seems to fit with the IAF's MMRCA requirement. And within the IAF's fleet the MKI is defined as an "air dominance" fighter. But given the EFT T3 has made it to the "final two" down select then it shows it has proven itself in all the required componats of the MMRCA or else it would have been eliminated and A2G is a key requirement for IAF in the MMRCA.

So it really is anyone's game and it now comes down to benchmarking and how "sweet" the competitors make the offsets.

 

[dbc]

I also think that the ToT/offset requirement might be too high for Indian industry, but composites should be the least problem, because we do have some credible knowledge in this field. Btw, LCA integrates more composites than both MMRCAs!

Composites is a generic term, not all composite materials are the same. Some composites are actually reinforced by other materials (glass,carbon or ceramic) the reinforcement is oriented in directions maximum strength is needed, the technology for weaving or curing such fabric is more evolved than the more traditional methods adopted for LCA or Rafale. Specialized equipment and training is needed for handling large contoured structures, such equipment has been procured from the US by Alenia the maker of the Typhoon wing and in use since 2001. Finally, it is well known that the Euro Fighter is the only 4th generation aircraft with SHM (Structural Health Monitoring) system, this is achieved by weaving piezoelectrical fibre in the aircraft structure. Weaving piezoelectrical fibre and curing such demands a more technology intensive approach than is possible with traditional practice adopted for the LCA.

As for LCA incorporating more composites than the Typhoon, a paper written by Dipankar Banerjee (DRDO) published by Cambridge in 2008 debunks your claim.

Fighters such as the F22 and the Eurofighter use up to 70% composite materials by weight (Figure 2), and commercial aircraft such as the Boeing 787 use nearly 50%.8

http://journals.cambridge.org/downl...91a.pdf&code=b47349c0366f326c215d621ee092fd38

If the link doesn't work for you go to http://journals.cambridge.org and search by key word Dipankar Banerjee.

 

[praveen]

guys rumour mill is that the russian migs might renter the competition .Something very rocky is entering the indo-US relations

 

[Tshering22]

guys rumour mill is that the russian migs might renter the competition .Something very rocky is entering the indo-US relations

Bull. It was ROSOBORONEXPORT that was first satisfied with the MOD meeting they had on why they lost. Rumors speak a lot of crap. MiG-35 is a dead design having no place in the future conflicts. Come on, with 8 weapons hardpoints do you seriously think it makes the cut? Even Gripen NG is more capable.

 

[Tshering22]

Out of six fighters contended four were failied to ignite engine at Leh however details not disclosed which four fhters were there.

Obviously it were those who were DQed. Why would IAF choose a jet that cannot light up its engines in a terrain where any war is most likely to occur?

 

[sancho]

As for LCA incorporating more composites than the Typhoon, a paper written by Dipankar Banerjee (DRDO) published by Cambridge in 2008 debunks your claim.

Or we take LCAs/DRDOs official documents to account:

LCA airframe incorporates a significant level of fibre-reinforced composites with a uniquely high usage (45 per cent by structural weight and almost 90 per cent by wetted area) in the production version of Tejas.

Regarding the composites of EF and Rafale:

structure

During construction of the Euro Fighter Typhoon full use is made of the progress of the aviation industry in the field of materials and materials processing.

About 40% of the total structural weight are in modern carbon-fiber composites (CFC's), including large parts of the fuselage, wings and the complete 70% of the surface structures.

Check the sources I gave in this post:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-...ef-rafale-mmrca-shortlist-94.html#post1744834

 

[SpArK]

Or we take LCAs/DRDOs official documents to account:

Copyright violation..

 

[sancho]

Copyright violation..

Just a sign how good your infos are, in case I have to back up my "claims".

 

[Battle Axe]

Out of six fighters contended four were failied to ignite engine at Leh however details not disclosed which four fhters were there.

Source, please. I doubt this.