Indian ethnic cleansing of Bengali speaking Muslims

[afriend]

Thanks pmukherjee, for clearing the perspective... now we are seeing our anti Indian friends moving on to Gujarat..!!!!

 

[eastwatch]

Thanks pmukherjee, for clearing the perspective... now we are seeing our anti Indian friends moving on to Gujarat..!!!!

Yes, it is because you are so worried about Muslims that you want to kill them irrespective of which language they spean in.

 

[TopCat]

What a eastwatch-esque strawman. There are certain conditions that are required to be fulfilled and certain modalities that have to be gone through, before an immigrant can call him/herself a 'citizen' (or for that matter 'resident') of a country. In absence of all of these, s/he is an 'illegal' immigrant.

We don't disown someone on the basis of his religious disposition but on the basis of lack of legal papers declaring him/her to be a Indian citizen. Since your countrymen monkey hop into India, they invariably don't possess any such documents.

As with your accusation, that we call Indian citizens as BD just because they speak Bengali, you can shove it up yours. Every bengali can tell a Bangladeshi from a West Bengali, just from the diction. Its as easy as ABC. Bangladeshis speak in a very specific diction which is very different from West Bengali ones. For example, you keep saying 'MAGZ' (brains). That is typical of Bangladeshi diction. We say 'MOGOJ'. Additionally, Bangladeshis use more Urdu in their Bengali than a muslim Bengali in India. This has resulted in a slight change in syntax and any Bengali, can identify this.

You better find someone else to BS.

Keep saying that to yourself.

Wow .. I lost my breath here.
Hey toxic thanks for your tips regarding diction. I say MOGOJ, and most Bangladeshis too? do I get a automatic indian citizenship for that?
I am confused about your Urdu connection to BD Bengali. Do we really? I am not sure. But DD (Begali) do show Urdu news broadcast from Calcutta.

 

[TopCat]

Is Bengalis consists more than 50% of Assams' population. I am talking about Hindu + Muslim Bengalis. If so then, they should unite and kick those basted who comitted thoe autrocities in the name of illegal migrants. Even Bengalis all over the world should fund this endeavor.

 

[leonblack08]

Care to tell me why then the proportion of minorities in India has increased since 1947 and why the proportion of minorities in BD and Pakistan have decreased in the same period?

Man India has indulged in the world's first ethnic cleaning where the people she has ethnic cleaned have actually increased!!

Same old but baseless question.It clearly shows that media propaganda does have effect,in fact a huge one.

In 1961,Hindus were 18.5% of the population.But that is before Bangladesh was born.During 1971,bulk of the refugees fleeing to India was Hindus.Who feared persecution by Pakistan army.

According to Late senator Edward Kenedy,80% of the refugees in India were Hindus.
And according to WHO and UNESCO,there were 10 million refugees in India.So that means nearly 8 million hindus were displaced during 1971 liberation war and around 200000 killed.

After the war,in 1974 the hindu figure was 13.5% of the population in Bangladesh.

Point to be noted here is " % of the population".Now if the population of muslims increased at greater rate,which it did,no wonder the Hindu population % is going to fall.

Besides,many migrated to India.As they had family members there.I am sure ask the Indian members here,you will find some having root in Bangladesh.
Also they migrated because AL govt. of sheikh Mujib benefited through Enemy Property Act.

Now we have 9.2% hindus of total population of Bangladesh.Again the % game comes to play.People start jumping over %,instead of doing simple math.

Now some facts:
Bangladesh does not experience communal riots like India.We find occassionally that one or two small incidents occur.There are fanatics everywhere,but no where near what happens in India.

Hindus are without a doubt educated and well-off group in Bangladesh.On every sphere Hindus are representing,and doing very well.
Though the number of Hindus representing in Bangladesh Army is low,but we do have a number of Hindu major Generals.Besides,I found out not many Hindu Bangladeshis are actually willing to enroll into military.That's just a personal observation based on Hindu friends of mine.

Historically Bengali Muslims and Hindus always lived in harmony and are tolerant towards each other.Except may be for 1947.

So stop reading propaganda and stop spreading propaganda.

 

[Spitfighter]

Yes, but the bitterness is initiated by the Indian politicians in India and by the Indian posters in this Forum. Indians are such a mean bunch of idiots that they would distort facts to score a point.

If the Hindus think there are illegal migrants from BD, then let the GoI catch and send them to where they belong. Problem is gone. But, here people with mean intentions are coming one after another to do some bickerings without any substance. Muslims of India are not going to rule over you again, then why are you bickering about us?

Technology and culture are not some country's exclusive property. When the Hindus did not know how to wear even a stitched clothing, we the Muslims taught them how to stitch. We Muslims taught you how to cook delicious foods, which you are selling now throughout the world. We built Taj Mahal. You are earning money by showing it to the visiting foreigners. You do not have any gratefulness. You are talking of your cultural supeririority over us only because we remain still poor.

When we Muslims built an empire in the entire Hindustan and ruled over the Hindus for more than 800 years, the Hindus could not resist it with their Artha Shastra culture. Our religion unites us and your religion divides you to Brahmin, Sudra and Dalits. If it is so, then what cultural superiority you are talking about here?

, of course you can't talk about politics without bringing religion into the mix, mostly because that's the only identity you have.

The irony in your post betrays your ignorance.

What do you mean 'we muslims'? are you an Afghan or an Iranian? If my family breaks into your house, forces you to convert to our religion, and then we renovate the house and make it the most glorious in the neighborhood, will your grandchildren claim that past glory to be their own?

Where did you come from by the way? You think Muslims appeared in the sub continent out of thin air when the Mughals showed up? What makes you think your ancestors weren't those naked Hindus you speak of? and what makes you think they were naked anyway? You think Islam taught the people of the subcontinent how to be 'civilized'?

By that measure, Bangladesh also has the largest reserves of oil and gas, right? or wait, are you a Bangladeshi first, or a Muslim first? or are you confused? (Muslim first I'm sure!!)

I don't get it, sometimes you guys want to claim our history as your own when it comes to things like Sanskrit, but when the Mughals came and conquered India, they conquered the Hindus. right around the same time, angels gave birth to 'Bangladeshis' formerly called East Pakistan (so Bangladeshi first?)

And what unity are you talking about? Ever heard about how Bangladeshis are treated in the Middle East or Malaysia? Bangladeshis are banned in Bahrain. Maybe your Bahraini brothers aren't true Muslims. Why isn't the middle east one big country? Sorry, your fantasy faded away with the ottoman empire.

I fully expected a rant along these lines, I pity you. Things have become so hopeless that you've come down to claiming someone else's success as your own. Nothing unusual though, as is evident from the Chinese extraterritorial cheerleading squad.

Thank god for our secular country, no matter how bad things are, we'll never have to cheer for someone else. Jai Hind!

 

[hack]

Seeing the attitude of the BD nationals here..I am glad the BSF shoots anyone who comes near the border.

 

[toxic_pus]

Wow .. I lost my breath here.

Quick. Call 911

Hey toxic thanks for your tips regarding diction. I say MOGOJ, and most Bangladeshis too? do I get a automatic indian citizenship for that?

No you don't. Hallelujah for that. The post was addressed to someone who is on record spelling it like that. Besides, 'J' in West Bengali is almost absent in East Bengali pronunciation. 'JH' or 'Z' takes its place, particularly when a word ends with it. e.g KAGOJ (paper) becomes KAGZ or say SHOHOJOGITA (co-operation) becomes SAHZAGITA (can't use accentuation) etc. There are other idiosyncrasies (most of which will be difficult to discuss without the use of accentuation), specific to East Bengali diction which clearly sets it apart. No amount denial with a hand wave is going to change that.

I am confused about your Urdu connection to BD Bengali. Do we really? I am not sure.

You tell me. My experience with BD bangla seems to provide some confirmation.

I am sure Suniti Kumar Chatterji is lying somewhere on one of my bookshelves. (Or did I lend it to someone?)

But DD (Begali) do show Urdu news broadcast from Calcutta.

Can't say. Don't watch DD (Bangla).

 

[leonblack08]

Toxic,

I am talking about my family's case here.We say Kagoj,Mogoj,sohojogita etc. not Kagz,Magz.That sounds more like Urdu.

Yes there are differences in accent between East and West,but not on this at least.I wish I could pronounce those words to show you.English certainly isn't the language to express bengali.

One can clearly distinguish between a Kolkata citizen and a Dhaka citizen.But,It is not that easy to separate one living in areas near Bangladesh.They have almost same accent and are hard to distinguish.

 

[hack]

Eastwatch has been posting here basically saying that Islam is superior to Hinduism...and he is the same person who calls Indians racist.Spot the irony anyone?

 

[arihant]

Eastwatch has been posting here basically saying that Islam is superior to Hinduism...and he is the same person who calls Indians racist.Spot the irony anyone?

It's hard to respond everytime to trollers..

 

[sensenreason]

Same old but baseless question.It clearly shows that media propaganda does have effect,in fact a huge one.

In 1961,Hindus were 18.5% of the population.But that is before Bangladesh was born.During 1971,bulk of the refugees fleeing to India was Hindus.Who feared persecution by Pakistan army.

According to Late senator Edward Kenedy,80% of the refugees in India were Hindus.
And according to WHO and UNESCO,there were 10 million refugees in India.So that means nearly 8 million hindus were displaced during 1971 liberation war and around 200000 killed.

After the war,in 1974 the hindu figure was 13.5% of the population in Bangladesh.

Point to be noted here is " % of the population".Now if the population of muslims increased at greater rate,which it did,no wonder the Hindu population % is going to fall.

Besides,many migrated to India.As they had family members there.I am sure ask the Indian members here,you will find some having root in Bangladesh.
Also they migrated because AL govt. of sheikh Mujib benefited through Enemy Property Act.

Now we have 9.2% hindus of total population of Bangladesh.Again the % game comes to play.People start jumping over %,instead of doing simple math.

Now some facts:
Bangladesh does not experience communal riots like India.We find occassionally that one or two small incidents occur.There are fanatics everywhere,but no where near what happens in India.

Hindus are without a doubt educated and well-off group in Bangladesh.On every sphere Hindus are representing,and doing very well.
Though the number of Hindus representing in Bangladesh Army is low,but we do have a number of Hindu major Generals.Besides,I found out not many Hindu Bangladeshis are actually willing to enroll into military.That's just a personal observation based on Hindu friends of mine.

Historically Bengali Muslims and Hindus always lived in harmony and are tolerant towards each other.Except may be for 1947.

So stop reading propaganda and stop spreading propaganda.

Some comments

- Hindus were ethnically cleansed by Pakistan Army from BD during '71' per the above. 200k were KILLED. Thats lot more than killed in all communal riots in India put together. While each death is to be condemned but the point is of scale...like a mini Auschwitz
- So there was a refugee problem that India had to deal with thus the 71 war.
- % of Hindus has reduced and you have explained why. If I presented similar facts about why x minority in India is smaller %..would you believe me?
- Pakistan was created on the basis on the fact that Hindus and Muslims can NEVER live toegther peacefully..Are bengali muslims different from Pakistani ones, in what regard?

 

[TopCat]

Quick. Call 911

No you don't. Hallelujah for that. The post was addressed to someone who is on record spelling it like that. Besides, 'J' in West Bengali is almost absent in East Bengali pronunciation. 'JH' or 'Z' takes its place, particularly when a word ends with it. e.g KAGOJ (paper) becomes KAGZ or say SHOHOJOGITA (co-operation) becomes SAHZAGITA (can't use accentuation) etc. There are other idiosyncrasies (most of which will be difficult to discuss without the use of accentuation), specific to East Bengali diction which clearly sets it apart. No amount denial with a hand wave is going to change that.

Why would I deny anything or deny what? 3 weeks ago I had a meeting with a businessman from WB. He probably from West Dinajpur I suppose. Anyways he speaks to me like any other north bengali and I did not find any difference in East or West and he was bearing a big Indian passport in his front pocket. Even in another thread your buddy from Assam labelled all the bengalis in Assam as sylhety as they speak sylhety dialect. But there is nothing called sylheti dialect but the bengalis in former Assam (including sylhet) speaks a dialect which was later named as sylhety in Bangladesh. Assam has 6 times more bengalis than entire sylhet.

Calcutta dwellers do use a distinct dialect which can be easily distinguished from any other major Bengali dialect. Not sure about the spread of that dialect as I never visited India.

 

[TopCat]

Some comments

- Hindus were ethnically cleansed by Pakistan Army from BD during '71' per the above. 200k were KILLED. Thats lot more than killed in all communal riots in India put together. While each death is to be condemned but the point is of scale...like a mini Auschwitz
- So there was a refugee problem that India had to deal with thus the 71 war.
- % of Hindus has reduced and you have explained why. If I presented similar facts about why x minority in India is smaller %..would you believe me?
- Pakistan was created on the basis on the fact that Hindus and Muslims can NEVER live toegther peacefully..Are bengali muslims different from Pakistani ones, in what regard?

In 1971 not only Hindus got killed but everybody got killed. Hindus were easily picked as they were believed to had voted for Awami League.

Pakistan movement was basically originated in Bengal. And its not that Muslim can not live with Hindus but Hindu Jamindar in Bengal owned all the lands of Muslim Peasants with the blessing of brits and virtually made them as their slaves.

 

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