Indian diplomat mars Pak N-nonproliferation efforts

[Irfan Baloch]

I would agree that he should not be 'handed over' because of the sensitive nature of his work and his volvement in your national security apparatus. But I think the questioning in the presence of, say, IAEA reprsentatives was not an unreasonable demand. The alleged crimes are of a grave nature.

what crime? Pakistan is not the signatory of NPT.. the state can acquire and distribute it as it pleases as it is not bound by any international agreement. Except UK, no other country has got direct assistance in making the nuclear bomb. It was either indirect channels, defections or stealing the secrets that helped the indigenous programs of the handful countries to have nuclear device.
What AQ Khan did was without state’s consent and was almost ruthless, that’s the only reason why Pakistan took the harsh action by removing him. It was more courtesy and responsibility as a nuclear state, not out of coercion. Pakistan would have shown the middle finger to all had AQ Khan been working under state approval. The Middle finger is constantly shown to all including the “immediate neighbour” and to the west who are demanding to cap or freeze our program.

Hence the media annalists who don’t know @ss from elbow about the nuclear facilities talk about Al Qaida taking over Pakistani nukes or someone steeling them gradually while working there. As if the nuclear material is like office stationary that a worker can put in the pocket and make a bomb after a month.

^^^It will gain even more if Pakistan signs NPT & CTBT. no more A Q Khan problems

Oh yea.. and India should lead by example here.

 

[Guynextdoor]

what crime? Pakistan is not the signatory of NPT.. the state can acquire and distribute it as it pleases as it is not bound by any international agreement. Except UK, no other country has got direct assistance in making the nuclear bomb. It was either indirect channels, defections or stealing the secrets that helped the indigenous programs of the handful countries to have nuclear device.
What AQ Khan did was without state’s consent and was almost ruthless, that’s the only reason why Pakistan took the harsh action by removing him. It was more courtesy and responsibility as a nuclear state, not out of coercion. Pakistan would have shown the middle finger to all had AQ Khan been working under state approval. The Middle finger is constantly shown to all including the “immediate neighbour” and to the west who are demanding to cap or freeze our program.

Hence the media annalists who don’t know @ss from elbow about the nuclear facilities talk about Al Qaida taking over Pakistani nukes or someone steeling them gradually while working there. As if the nuclear material is like office stationary that a worker can put in the pocket and make a bomb after a month.





Oh yea.. and India should lead by example here.

Even by the stand your own government, the state wasn't involved in proliferation and it was a loose canon scientist. At the very leats those are grave crimes aginst the state of pak as the weapons and technology belongs to the state and not him (going by your stand)

But it's not as simple as that. Pak is an accredted member of the UN and has it's own obligations on that front. Proliferation wasn't to some country like Nepal but to countries like N Korea which have been under specific sanctions of all sorts.

 

[Guynextdoor]

self delete

 

[Guynextdoor]

180 million people, projected to rise to over 300 million people by 2050, is not a small nation by any means. And with the current nuclear projects Pakistan is investing in, our nuclear footprint will be larger than some of the existing NSG members, and with that expansion naturally comes greater expertise in manufacturing nuclear technology, which we do currently as well.

The world has a lot of interests in ensuring Pakistan becomes part of an organized nuclear trading bloc and abide by certain rules.

Sounds very nice when you look only at Pakistan in the map. Now let me take you through a different math. Take India's present pop of 1.2 B and take out the 180 m. How much is left? 1 B. Take the 2050 Pop of 300 m and take it out of our projected pop and how much do you get ( horrendous) 1 b.

India is and always will be a bigger, much bigger country

But that is't the whole story isn't it? It's a rising economy. Our latest deal with the French for nuclear reactors is 20 B. Imagine if we had decided instead to park all that cash with our internal agencies and out of IAEA scope? Can you match that? So by bringing out the nuclear deal, the americans have given a mechanism to bring all those reactors under international monitoring and we have got access to safer, more reliable power gen options with latest tech. Our objective IS REALLY power gen so we have absoltely no issues with the world community tracking it as long as it is feeding us power for industry.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

But it's not as simple as that. Pak is an accredted member of the UN and has it's own obligations on that front. Proliferation wasn't to some country like Nepal but to countries like N Korea which have been under specific sanctions of all sorts.

Oh yaaar come on now hehehe UN.... dont make me laugh
look how the accredited members flaunt all the rules of humanity and UN charter ..
look how the resolutions are termed as "obsolete" when they don’t suit them. look how some members look away while their favoured friends are committing human rights violations

there are many examples which would pretty much derail the discussion. I hope you understand what I am saying.
But in principle I agree with you there. This is why AQ Khan has been taken off the loop now.. totally agree with you about AQ’s role.. my argument was a response to the charge that its impossible that AQ could have acted alone. Tell you what Musharraf is out of power now and there are many within civil and military circles that don’t have a very favourable view about him but his account has not been contradicted about AQ’s network.
Do you think UN should continue to block the report about Pakistans efforts to minimise proliferation? In the current schemes of things it seems to suit the nations that decide the moral values and the fate of the world doesn’t it?

What say you, from a neutral stand point… think if you were lets say from Ghana..

 

[Guynextdoor]

Oh yaaar come on now hehehe UN.... dont make me laugh
look how the accredited members flaunt all the rules of humanity and UN charter ..
look how the resolutions are termed as "obsolete" when they don’t suit them. look how some members look away while their favoured friends are committing human rights violations

there are many examples which would pretty much derail the discussion. I hope you understand what I am saying.
But in principle I agree with you there. This is why AQ Khan has been taken off the loop now.. totally agree with you about AQ’s role.. my argument was a response to the charge that its impossible that AQ could have acted alone. Tell you what Musharraf is out of power now and there are many within civil and military circles that don’t have a very favourable view about him but his account has not been contradicted about AQ’s network.
Do you think UN should continue to block the report about Pakistans efforts to minimise proliferation? In the current schemes of things it seems to suit the nations that decide the moral values and the fate of the world doesn’t it?

What say you, from a neutral stand point… think if you were lets say from Ghana..

You don't have to derail...I'll give you 10 examples where they haven't been holy. But then as many times they've screwed up, there are many many occasions where they have turned a blind eye to pak transgressions too.

SImple Funda: No one likes party poopers- n Korea, al qaida etc. are the biggest party poopers from around. n u can get away with all sorts of stuff as long as you keep away from these poopers.
As far as should that report be made public-don't know. i guess India can handle any fallouts now. Our 'sensitive phase' on the nuke deal etc. is over.

 

[KS]

Our 'sensitive phase' on the nuke deal etc. is over.

Now its the US turn to be 'sensitive'.

Any un-necessary revelations, kiss your nuke-reactor business good bye.The Russkies and the French are waiting eagerly to grab as much projects as available with absolutely no strings attached.

 

[rubyjackass]

The article is just standing on character assassination and unproven allegations. It should at least mention a similar 'note' which was passed with no or very less delay by UN to make a case against Mr. Nambiar. It may well be because of the bureaucratic delays inUN. Officials there are just like our sarkari babus who keep sitting on files for warmth. And of all this the article pins the blame entirely on Mr. Nambiar.

 

[ksgokul]

I think Pakistan hasn't lost anything because of the absence of a civilian nuclear deal. What India achieved through lot of diplomacy ( convincing China, Oppn parties back home etc..), Pakistan achieved very easily. I think the reactors being built with the help of China doesn't even come under any safeguards also. I may be wrong here. On the whole, Pakistan has achieved what it wanted very easily

 

[sergente rehan]

UN = UNable

Lets wait for the report and see what it state, if it will ever be made public.

 

[DV RULES]

Pakistan mission in UN should take action and make complaint to SG UN against that person & this person has to be charge sheet, such radical minded Indian diplomats has not to work on such high level responsible post.

 

[DV RULES]

ISLAMABAD - The UN report on human rights abuses in Indian Held Kashmir is likely to meet the fate similar to that of the key document that highlighted Pakistan’s role in nuclear non-proliferation.
On Monday, Special Rapporteur, United Nations Human Rights Council, Margaret Sekaggya, started her eleven-day visit to India as part of her ‘fact-finding mission’ regarding human rights violations in Orissa, Gujrat, West Bengal and IHK.
An official of United Nations Office of High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) in New Delhi, requesting anonymity, telephonically told The Nation on Tuesday that Margaret Sekaggya would ‘expedite’ the progress on UNHRC’s pending report on gross human rights violations in IHK since June 11 last year.
It was also learnt that the Special Rapporteur would take into consideration the confidential weekly and monthly reports of United Nations Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan (UNMOGIP) offices located in New Delhi and Srinagar before making her final recommendations for the evaluation of the pending report.
The UN official’s visit to India would conclude on the coming January 21. Just two days later, on January 23, the UNHRC would hold 10th session of Universal Periodic Review (UPR) to scrutinise human rights record of 16 countries and India would not be one of them. Not only that, a total number of 48 countries would be scrutinised in UPR in the light of international human rights practices in the year 2011 except India. Strangely, the UNHRC had not included India in its 9th UPR session that was held in November last year despite India’s worst human rights record in IHK. Given that the United Nations Secretary General’s office is virtually ‘hijacked’ by powerful Indian lobby, the fate of this report, even if it comes into existence, would not be different than that of the note verbale sent by Pakistan’s Permanent Mission in United Nations to the Chairman UN Security Council’s Committee on nuclear non-proliferation.

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