Indian diplomat mars Pak N-nonproliferation efforts

[Guynextdoor]

A 'national hero' who was removed from his position, convicted and then pardoned, but still removed from any position of authority.

I'd say Pakistan has amply demonstrated that it is willing to rectify security breaches and take measures to remove even 'national heroes' from the scene.

In any case, given AQ Khan's involvement with highly secretive and sensitive Pakistani nuclear, missile and weapons programs, the international community should realize that it is simply not possible to hand over AQ Khan to anyone outside of Pakistani authorities for national security reasons.

The position taken by Pakistan is very rational and justified.

I would agree that he should not be 'handed over' because of the sensitive nature of his work and his volvement in your national security apparatus. But I think the questioning in the presence of, say, IAEA reprsentatives was not an unreasonable demand. The alleged crimes are of a grave nature.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I would agree that he should not be 'handed over' because of the sensitive nature of his work and his volvement in your national security apparatus. But I think the questioning in the presence of, say, IAEA reprsentatives was not an unreasonable demand. The alleged crimes are of a grave nature.

What is the difference between questioning him in the presence of IAEA representatives and questioning him without them present, but on the basis of their concerns and questions?

From the Pakistani perspective the issue may be that AQ Khan cannot be trusted (and his ramblings in newspapers tend to justify that) to be in the presence of any foreign officials, lest he say something out of spite that compromises national security.

 

[Guynextdoor]

What is the difference between questioning him in the presence of IAEA representatives and questioning him without them present, but on the basis of their concerns and questions?

From the Pakistani perspective the issue may be that AQ Khan cannot be trusted (and his ramblings in newspapers tend to justify that) to be in the presence of any foreign officials, lest he say something out of spite that compromises national security.

Coa the lack of credibility of your system becomes irrelevant. It's not about whether AQ Khan can be trusted- that much they had already decided- it was also that your system won't be unbiased. So their observers could 'stamp' that it was ok or else raise the flag.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Coa the lack of credibility of your system becomes irrelevant. It's not about whether AQ Khan can be trusted- that much they had already decided- it was also that your system won't be unbiased. So their observers could 'stamp' that it was ok or else raise the flag.

But again, if AQ Khan cannot be trusted by the international community, and would likely be prepped by Pakistani officials to give certain answers, then what is the point of having international officials be present, other than just to say that they were?

Practically, for the international community to have officials present at an AQ Khan interrogation offers no discernible advantage, but for Pakistan it poses a national security risk.

 

[twoplustwoisfour]

So basically the international community is at a lose-lose situation?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Anyway, we are moving off topic. The subject is the delay in the release of the non-proliferation report.

I personally would place more blame for the delay (if there was intent behind it) at the door of the US. The report was supposed to be released around the time of the Indian Nuclear deal, and Pakistani efforts to obtain a similar NSG exemption, which the US strongly opposed, and still opposes.

It could have also been a joint US-Indian effort.

 

[Guynextdoor]

Anyway, we are moving off topic. The subject is the delay in the release of the non-proliferation report.

I personally would place more blame for the delay (if there was intent behind it) at the door of the US. The report was supposed to be released around the time of the Indian Nuclear deal, and Pakistani efforts to obtain a similar NSG exemption, which the US strongly opposed, and still opposes.

It could have also been a joint US-Indian effort.

^^^ it might be a joint Indo US effort and it's not a bad effort. US's first priority is to get India into some sort of cooperation and accountability mode wrt to nuclear proliferation which it has done with the complete support of Indian establishment they are hammering out workable deals. They would'nt want unecessary references to mar the same

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

So basically the international community is at a lose-lose situation?

Not at all. AQ Khan was removed from his position. The network was **** down. A lot of information about the network was provided to the international community that resulted in plenty of other leads. Pakistan's nuclear security and command and control was improved significantly following the removal of AQ Khan, with US assistance, both technical and financial, in certain areas.

I think the international community gained quite a bit in terms of greater security of Pakistani nuclear weapons and the end of the AQ Khan network.

 

[Guynextdoor]

^^^It will gain even more if Pakistan signs NPT & CTBT. no more A Q Khan problems

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

^^^It will gain even more if Pakistan signs NPT & CTBT. no more A Q Khan problems

Perhaps after Pakistan is made a member of the NSG and accepted as a nuclear weapons power.

 

[Guynextdoor]

different countries, different rules. India being made a member of NSG through an exceptional deal has great advantages for the world- 1/6th of humanity becomes part of non proliferation. That's not the case with Pak so it''ll always be considered a petulant child.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

different countries, different rules. India being made a member of NSG through an exceptional deal has great advantages for the world- 1/6th of humanity becomes part of non proliferation. That's not the case with Pak so it''ll always be considered a petulant child.

180 million people, projected to rise to over 300 million people by 2050, is not a small nation by any means. And with the current nuclear projects Pakistan is investing in, our nuclear footprint will be larger than some of the existing NSG members, and with that expansion naturally comes greater expertise in manufacturing nuclear technology, which we do currently as well.

The world has a lot of interests in ensuring Pakistan becomes part of an organized nuclear trading bloc and abide by certain rules.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

180 million people, projected to rise to over 300 million people by 2050, is not a small nation by any means.

That's true. A lot of people tend to forget the fact that Pakistan has the 6th largest population in the world.

Pakistan's demographics (large+young population) are set up perfectly for a big economic boom in the future.

 

[Hammy007]

The report should be released. It would be interesting to see what Pakistan has done to help nuclear non-proliferation. The biggest thing that they could have done is to hand over AQ Khan to UN or any other neutral authority to investigate his proliferation business. But that didn't happen.

but the question is if aq khan is handed, americans have already done the proliferation in europe, what could possibly win on the efoorts of nuke proliferation than americans???

the big american and western companies just need money to sell their products, does that not come in the defnition of proliferation...

india the first third world nuclear power is just because of western nuclear proliferation, shed some light on this matter too..

 

[flameboard]

The law is all about technicality. There was no law broken. Unless your country has signed the NPO you are free to sell such technology. Even though this technology should not have been offered, AQ Khan was not doing anything illegal. Plus many claim that he was told to sell this technology by the governments he had been under. Which kind of makes sense since he has barely any money, and no luxurious properties outside the countries as confessed by Musharraf.

As far as we know he saved Pakistan from embarrassment, and went on to help other Muslims countries (either on his own behalf or on behalf of the government he was lived under) which would otherwise have received help from India. (Search up about India it true, post a link when you find an article)