Indian defence & religion

[Capt.Popeye]

i know it

no one can just rely on faith but also must have faith in himself and needs to do hardwork

as i said earlier for those ISRO scientists, may be faith in GOD is a "aadhar"

Regarding the underlined part: they are some of the biggest and most accomplished minds in the country (far ahead of me anyway).
How much of an Aadhar (if any) would they need?

 

[IND151]

i found this article

good but worth reading

B]Collins: Why this scientist believes in God[/B]
GOD

April 03, 2007|By Dr. Francis Collins Special to CNN


I am a scientist and a believer, and I find no conflict between those world views.

As the director of the Human Genome Project, I have led a consortium of scientists to read out the 3.1 billion letters of the human genome, our own DNA instruction book. As a believer, I see DNA, the information molecule of all living things, as God's language, and the elegance and complexity of our own bodies and the rest of nature as a reflection of God's plan.

I did not always embrace these perspectives. As a graduate student in physical chemistry in the 1970s, I was an atheist, finding no reason to postulate the existence of any truths outside of mathematics, physics and chemistry. But then I went to medical school, and encountered life and death issues at the bedsides of my patients. Challenged by one of those patients, who asked "What do you believe, doctor?", I began searching for answers.

I had to admit that the science I loved so much was powerless to answer questions such as "What is the meaning of life?" "Why am I here?" "Why does mathematics work, anyway?" "If the universe had a beginning, who created it?" "Why are the physical constants in the universe so finely tuned to allow the possibility of complex life forms?" "Why do humans have a moral sense?" "What happens after we die?"

I had always assumed that faith was based on purely emotional and irrational arguments, and was astounded to discover, initially in the writings of the Oxford scholar C.S. Lewis and subsequently from many other sources, that one could build a very strong case for the plausibility of the existence of God on purely rational grounds. My earlier atheist's assertion that "I know there is no God" emerged as the least defensible. As the British writer G.K. Chesterton famously remarked, "Atheism is the most daring of all dogmas, for it is the assertion of a universal negative."

But reason alone cannot prove the existence of God. Faith is reason plus revelation, and the revelation part requires one to think with the spirit as well as with the mind. You have to hear the music, not just read the notes on the page. Ultimately, a leap of faith is required

 

[toxic_pus]

Azaan in the morning & Church bells are no issue,

I never see people complaining about it.

BS.

We got our local mosque to stop blaring it's loudspeakers so early in the morning, by means of a mass petition to the local MLA, citing a Clacutta High Court order. We also stood guard for that mosque during 2002.

Then we stopped a nearby Vishnu temple from blaring its loudspeakers, the whole freaking night, for 7 days, during sankranti

 

[Subramanian]

It is such a wonderful thing to have a thought leader like you leading the discussions. Two questions:

What are the similarities between Judaism/Christianity/Islam?

What are the similar similarities between Dharmic (=Indic=Hindu+Buddhist+Jain+Sikh) religions?

I note your one line for the Akali Dal. What conciseness! What a masterly epigram. More, please, your hungry, thirsty public thirsts (and hungers) for more.



No.

Sadly, no. I am sorry to disappoint you. It is an expression in common language.

The idea of a messenger of god/The holy book/Kosher-Halal Meat/Ban of Pork/Lent-Sabbath-Ramadan

Amongst Dharmic religions

4 stages of life, karma dharma samskara moksha

Yoga

Ramayana and the role of the heroic figure of Ram

Bhakti movement,Shaivism,Vegetarianism,Tantric Rituals,Atharvana Veda,

Veda/Shramana co existence

And so on.....


I m getting tired of you Joe Shearer, you portray your pea brain againa nd again,you might know a lot of things about defence and all but in these things you are a big zero and all your attempts to pull your weight here ll help none.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

The idea of a messenger of god/The holy book/Kosher-Halal Meat/Ban of Pork/Lent-Sabbath-Ramadan

Amongst Dharmic religions

4 stages of life, karma dharma samskara moksha

Yoga

Ramayana and the role of the heroic figure of Ram

Bhakti movement,Shaivism,Vegetarianism,Tantric Rituals,Atharvana Veda,

Veda/Shramana co existence

And so on.....


I m getting tired of you Joe Shearer, you portray your pea brain againa nd again,you might know a lot of things about defence and all but in these things you are a big zero and all your attempts to pull your weight here ll help none.

If your getting tired; take a break, have a KIT-KAT, maybe even a snooze- might help matters.

And BTW, you claimed that Sikhs are also form the Dharmic Fold!
So whats with this Tantric Rituals clap-trap applicable to their faith too?
I'll leave you with just this little "poodiya" for now.

 

[jbond197]

BS.

We got our local mosque to stop blaring it's loudspeakers so early in the morning, by means of a mass petition to the local MLA, citing a Clacutta High Court order. We also stood guard for that mosque during 2002.

Then we stopped a nearby Vishnu temple from blaring its loudspeakers, the whole freaking night, for 7 days, during sankranti

Dude, you may be talking about one of case in Bengal.. Other places such things can start big fights if not riots..

Just out of curiosity a question - Did 2002 riots had the influence in Bengal too that you had to defend your local mosque? That too when you guys claim to live harmoniously and as you per your claim regarding loud speakers, there seems to be easy give and takes happening there.

 

[Joe Shearer]

The idea of a messenger of god/The holy book/Kosher-Halal Meat(not for Christians)/Ban of Pork(not for Christians)/Lent-Sabbath-Ramadan (None for Jews)

Amongst Dharmic religions

4 stages of life, karma dharma samskara moksha

Yoga For Buddhists and Jains? Or Sikhs? Astonishing! I am learning every minute.

Ramayana and the role of the heroic figure of Ram

Bhakti movement What? Not exclusively Hindu? More learning!,
Shaivism In Buddhism and Jainism? Real value for money stuff. Paisa vasool.,
Vegetarianism,
Tantric Rituals,
Atharvana Veda More and yet more learning. The Buddha depended on the Vedas. So did Mahavira.
Veda/Shramana co existenceThey did? Must be true; the Master says so.

And so on.....


I m getting tired of you Joe Shearer, you portray your pea brain againa nd again,you might know a lot of things about defence and all but in these things you are a big zero and all your attempts to pull your weight here ll help none.

In these matters, O tired leader, my pea brain and I are merely humble disciples sitting at your lotus feet. My pea brain now looks like a pea-pod, with the forced learning that it has undergone. Many pages of history, many history books, many volumes, indeed, many libraries now have to be rewritten.

 

[SamantK]

Long pointless ceremonies in public space is not needed, that is agreed.

However, if someone wants to go to a temple or offer prayers that's fine, he has all the rights, it rocks his boat and who really cares.

If there is a majority of like thinkers wanting a ceremony to take place, it should be done with due consultations with all involved, that to me is the best way forward..

Banning would not be appropriate if the above are taken into consideration IMHO...

 

[Rig Vedic]

That is a Hindu majoritarian view, and not the view of the Akali Dal, for instance, or the Buddhists of the Bahujan Mahasangh. Jains may have an assimilative view.

Apparently you have not studied Buddhism or Jainism, otherwise you would know why Brahmins considered the Buddha and his followers, as well as Mahavira and his followers, heretics. Sankaracharya spent most of his active life in combating and defeating Buddhist leaders and converting them back to Hinduism.

If your intertwining theory had been correct, these harsh judgements and these combative steps would not have been necessary.

That's a narrow view.

Hinduism and Buddhism are twins: Dalai Lama - WorldWide Religious News

This book is about the commonalities between the Dharmic systems, and the contrasts between the Dharmic and the Abrahamic -

Being Different Book

 

[Capt.Popeye]

That's a narrow view. The Dharmic systems have much in common.

Hinduism and Buddhism are twins: Dalai Lama - WorldWide Religious News

Being Different Book

Sure there are similarities, just as there are dissimilarities. At different times, different people have sought to find the similarities,; while at other times they sought to find dissimilarities. Just a change of POVs!

At the time that Joe speaks about, there was a "conflict situation" arisen between the two faiths-- Joe will be better placed to explain the 'how and why' of it.

Now times are different, there is no brewing conflict; so voila the perceptions will be different.

May be till the next conflict? Just kiddin.

 

[toxic_pus]

Dude, you may be talking about one of case in Bengal.. Other places such things can start big fights if not riots..

Agreed. But I was responding to our friend's claim 'that no one' blah blah...

Just out of curiosity a question - Did 2002 riots had the influence in Bengal too that you had to defend your local mosque? That too when you guys claim to live harmoniously and as you per your claim regarding loud speakers, there seems to be easy give and takes happening there.

Nah. Nothing happened in 2002. During that time a bunch guys from UP and Bihar, incidentally BJP supporters, started giving fiery speeches near the mosque. Seniors of our locality, including my father, snatched their loudspeakers and told them to stay home. They took off instead. We were concerned that these guys might gather some of their friends, come back and try to do something. In 1996, something like that almost happened to a different mosque, farther away from our locality, and it was prevented by local seniors.

In the end, nothing happened.

 

[Subramanian]

If your getting tired; take a break, have a KIT-KAT, maybe even a snooze- might help matters.

And BTW, you claimed that Sikhs are also form the Dharmic Fold!
So whats with this Tantric Rituals clap-trap applicable to their faith too?
I'll leave you with just this little "poodiya" for now.

Go read the guru granth sahib and tell me later.

 

[Bang Galore]

....Vegetarianism,....

That would be very upsetting to the Buddha; he was extremely fond of pork. Matter of fact, died eating pork gone bad.

 

[Subramanian]

so, joe shearer here reads all kinds of revisionist history written with an agenda and takes it to be a bible.

But if we point that out,then he says just because hundreds of false history books have to be rewritten and thus all the politics that goes on with it,we have to accept marxist nonsense.

Again,JS all you got is your verbosity,it ll win you admirers as many but it ll matter ****,because you dont have the conviction to go the long way/

 

[Joe Shearer]

That's a narrow view.

Hinduism and Buddhism are twins: Dalai Lama - WorldWide Religious News

This book is about the commonalities between the Dharmic systems, and the contrasts between the Dharmic and the Abrahamic -

Being Different Book

Sure there are similarities, just as there are dissimilarities. At different times, different people have sought to find the similarities,; while at other times they sought to find dissimilarities. Just a change of POVs!

At the time that Joe speaks about, there was a "conflict situation" arisen between the two faiths-- Joe will be better placed to explain the 'how and why' of it.

Now times are different, there is no brewing conflict; so voila the perceptions will be different.

May be till the next conflict? Just kiddin.

I am surprised that Rig Vedic chooses to ignore the single-handed campaign against Buddhism launched by Sri Sankaracharya. I am surprised also that he ignores the co-opting of the Buddha into the Dasavatar to mark the cessation of hostilities between Hindu theology and Buddhist theology. Even today, in some south Indian iconography, Balarama takes the place of Buddha; the inclusion of the Buddha was essentially a north Indian compromise. In other parts, western India, for instance, there is yet another substitute for Buddha, so too in Odhisha. I recall reading that even a Muslim sect, probably the twelver Shia, considered Imam Ali as an avatar, until the Aga Khan came to India in the eighteenth century, saw what was going on, and abruptly terminated this!

However, all these discussions on religion and religious history have become part and parcel of the political games being played out now, and I am frankly cynical about the motives and intentions of commentators on these. There is always a whirring noise in the background, as an axe is ground.

I note that that clumsy illiterate Subramanian has reacted to my sarcasm with predictable fury. How he loves the sound of his own voice, and his delusion of being a religious authority. Ultimately, tatte jitne bhi bade hote hain, lund ke niche hi rahte hain.