Indian defence & religion

[Joe Shearer]

But here you are imposing your will (about banning them) on a group that does not want it to be banned.

My advice - if those rituals cause so much heartburn to you stay away from them. No one will miss you.

That is perfectly acceptable - in the case of private functions. My basic question is - by what right do you appropriate public time and resource, and public attention, to the pursuing of individual superstitions? Why should anyone give up public space to you? What right do you have to conduct these rituals?

 

[SamantK]

You and I have a similar view points except you want some ritual to signify a god's grace and I don't think any ritual has that significance. Lets break it at that.

No you are wrong, I actually don't think anything, the exact reason I don't mind anything being done, whatever rocks their boat is fine with me as I told you the same thing... I think this is a safe exit point now

 

[Tamizhan]

You are being extremely silly. Just because a ritual has sanctions in few religions doesn't give it significance. If you can scientifically prove that Bhumi Puja would somehow effect an ill conceived project to be a major success or vice versa, I'll eat my words.

No body claimed they have any scientific reasoning dear.

It is just tradition, just like launching a US Navy ship by breaking a bottle of champagne on its hull.

Dont un-necessarily tax your mind.

 

[Subramanian]

In one sentence: because they contribute nothing. They are irrelevant functionally; their only relevance is as symbols of cultural hegemonism.

Let the people who hate them walk out.

 

[Tamizhan]

All along, consistently, it has been argued that it is the imposition of these rituals in the public sphere that is objectionable. Never were idols, or temples mentioned, nor were they indicated. This is just plain double speak on your part.

No it will start like this only. It is the classic case of the camel getting inside the tent.

 

[Subramanian]

IMO,

it is high time we smashed these pseudo seculars off,the stench they cause our country is too high.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Again superstition to you, traditions that defines who we are to others. Why are you so intolerant and fascistic to other view of thought ?

Who asks you to participate or celebrate these things ? If you feel they are superstition stay away. Let people who find solace in it do it.

Again, I ask. Who permitted you to appropriate public space and public time and public energy? And why should you monopolise these situations and ban others with an equal right to stand there and object to your highhandedness?

 

[anonymus]

Nobody is an atheist in a foxhole .

Wrong Generalisation

Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers

 

[Tamizhan]

That is perfectly acceptable - in the case of private functions. My basic question is - by what right do you appropriate public time and resource, and public attention, to the pursuing of individual superstitions? Why should anyone give up public space to you? What right do you have to conduct these rituals?

Again, I ask. Who permitted you to appropriate public space and public time and public energy? And why should you monopolise these situations and ban others with an equal right to stand there and object to your highhandedness?

Is there any public law banning their conduct ? If not, case dismissed.

You are a supremacist bigot Mr.Joe , who believes these pagan traditions pollutes your faith and saying that hiding behind the veneer of a rationalist et al.

But tomorrow if a Christian project head places a mock up at the foot of Mother Mary in Velankanni I would not be so butt hurt and screaming murder. I am confident enough to say, let Mother Mary bless that too.

BTW next time some Puja happens read a prayer from Bible too if that is what it takes to make you feel secure. I assure you no Hindu would be offended. *facepalm*

 

[Subramanian]

I ask my friends to be strong in their faith,learn the vedas,learn sanskrit,learn the culture,history and teach them to your kids in full glory.

Let not inadequate history texts and half arsed secular propaganda conquer their heads.

If we lose this war,we have lost it all.India and Hinduism is the last stumbling block for common sense and paganism to prevail along with Japan.

Think of being like Japan rather Than China.

 

[SamantK]

Again, I ask. Who permitted you to appropriate public space and public time and public energy? And why should you monopolise these situations and ban others with an equal right to stand there and object to your highhandedness?

You heard freedom of expression and religion in a secular country called India? There is no banning, you generalise a case where people like you are always present, do you know for a fact that others feel like you? I highly suspect it, but if you have information share and prove it, otherwise it is BS..

 

[anonymus]

IMO,

it is high time we smashed these pseudo seculars off,the stench they cause our country is too high.

Why they should be smashed??

If their ideals are defective,they should be countered by logic.


I have strong dislike for communists but i would like to prove them wrong by pointing towards destruction communists have brought forth in every country that adopted communism.The current euro crisis proves that their junior brother socialists are also avant grade idiots.

 

[Rig Vedic]

The high- and middle-castes will not change, that is a given. That is why they were brutally dispossessed, and are now migrants to every other geography under the Sun.

Amazing. Now this fellow is giving justifications for "brutal dispossession" of "high- and middle- castes".

This is exactly the kind of specimen studied by Rajiv Malhotra in his "Breaking India" book.

 

[roach]

I think that one should consider this scenario:

Imagine yourself, a Hindu-working on a project, or in a workplace, where almost everybody belonged to a religion whose practices and beliefs were the diametrically opposed to yours. Imagine that they periodically participated in rituals that made you distinctly uncomfortable.
Would you feel COMFORTABLE? Would you feel like you were a part of things? Participation would mean that you betray your own beliefs and non-participation would make you feel like an outsider.

The practice of religious ceremony and ritual HAS to be limited to the home and family. This is BULLYING. "There's more of us, so s****w you guys- take it or leave it."

Those who say "This is our particular brand of Secularism" are justifying the gaps and cracks in our secular system by presenting an argument like "This is the way we follow road rules in India, if there's no traffic what is the problem with jumping a red light?"
This view shows and promotes MEDIOCRITY.

I, have deep respect for our Vedic culture and traditions. This, now, it not the way it was meant to be-but there is gold in there for those who have patience to sift through all the bu*****t.

Keep it at home please.

 

[anonymus]

Is there any public law banning their conduct ? If not, case dismissed.

Tomorrow if a Christian project head places a mock up at the foot of Mother Mary in Velankanni I would not be so butt hurt and screaming murder. I am confident enough to say, let Mother Mary bless that too.

BTW next time some Puja happens read a prayer from Bible too if that is what it takes to make you feel secure. I assure you no Hindu would be offended. *facepalm*

Actually what is the problem???

This thread has appeared from nowhere so it is difficult to grasp what the discussion is about???

If it is some scientist placing mock up of PSLV in some temple then what is the problem in that?

The scientist is acting in his personal capacity and is well within his right of freedom of religion to offer anything to the god he believes in or praying for the success of his endeavour.

What does anybody else has to do with this?