Indian Army stocking up munitions for 40-day war

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

I always find it amusing Indian Plans and strategies always leaked out and give ample time to Pakistan to plan to counter Indian strategies by planning accordingly

For Example Cold Start and counter measurement Nasr Missile

Reason is simple: they don’t want an all out war! They have too much to lose!! All the accumulated wealth in Dubai etc. will be gone within a blink!! They have learnt it first hand from the Somnath episode....

Man may forgive the murderer of his father, but not the loss of patrimony - Socrates

If Beni Adem are given one mountain full of gold, they vie for another one - Hadis-i Sherif

 

[SQ8]

Who is going to launch first?

We are - basic maths gives you that conclusion.
The only calculation is whether they do a massive counterforce strike or the gradual escalation ladder. contrary to certain beliefs among some members here, this decision of using what wmd, against what and how many targets and anticipating the enemy response is more difficult that putting a man on Jupiter’s moons.

 

[Arsalan 345]

Using Indian army's rate of ammo expenditure which is 2000 ATGMs excluding 50% reserves fired daily and 25000 Tank rounds fired daily, Pak army ammo will last for 4-5 days at that rate

missiles are so destructive that pak don't even need more atgms and tanks.is india ready to accept heavy casualties? idoubt it.

 

[BATMAN]

NEW DELHI: The 13-lakh strong Army is now steadily building its ammunition stocks ranging from rockets and missiles to high-caliber tank and artillery shells to ensure it can comfortably fight a full-blown war for over 10 days, with the eventual aim to have adequate stockpiles in place to last 40 days.

Defence ministry sources say all the different types of ammunition for the Army will be built up to “10(I) levels”, which mean adequate stocks to undertake 10 days of “intensive” full-spectrum fighting on two fronts, by 2022-2023, as per the latest assessment.
This, of course, does not mean the Army is not operationally ready for war as of now. “It has adequate stocks for more than 10 days of intense war on the western front. But ammunition reserves have to be built keeping both Pakistan and China in mind,” said a source.
The “earlier huge deficiencies” in several types of “critical” ammunition have already been “substantially plugged”, with more supplies in the pipeline under the 24 contracts (19 with foreign arms companies) worth Rs 12,890 crore inked for the Army.

“The next target will be to gradually achieve 40(I) levels after some major rationalisation because not all types of ammunition are needed in such large numbers. Holding large reserves is neither economically nor logistically feasible,” said the source.
The MoD is also in the process of contracting the domestic private sector to manufacture with foreign collaboration eight different types of tank, artillery and infantry ammunition worth around Rs 1,700 crore per year for a decade from 2022-2023 onwards.
Over the last several years, at least since 2012, TOI has repeatedly reported the Army was fast running out of ammunition, with tanks and air defence units, artillery batteries and infantry soldiers all facing the crunch under the hugely depleted war wastage reserves (WWR). Successive parliamentary and CAG reports have also underscored the critical operational deficiency.

Don't forget to thank Imran Khan for giving you this opportunity.

I have 3 pistols and two rifles...plus ammo for each and that's just me

We only need a simple nod of Imran Khan to fire AIM, directing at hostile Indian fighter jets.

 

[Trango Towers]

Don't forget to thank Imran Khan for giving you this opportunity.



We only need a simple nod of Imran Khan to fire AIM, directing at hostile Indian fighter jets.

When you say 'we' it doesn't include 'you' as you only take orders from NS and B grade arabs in bed with israel and don't care about Pakistan

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

So, Indian military is currently not equipped to fight a sustained 10-day long war. Interesting.

 

[Signalian]

There is no rocket science here bcz every country incl. Pakistan maintains a healthy amount of weapons and ammunitions in storage.

That storage is called COD (Central Ordnance Depot). These are distributed all over the country in well defended areas. The ammo storage facilities are classified. Some are built in populated areas, others are built in cantonments, some built inside mountains. Commandant used to be a Colonel, now a Brigadier. POF sends ammo to COD and COD provides ammo to major military formations, Corps or above. There are also Station POL (petrol Oil Lubes) depots in each cantonment. Log Area Command is present for almost every Corps which provides transport (military and requisitions civilian).

Have you heard of Ordnance Corps ? Officers of this Corps specialize in handling, storage and transporting ammunition. They liaise with Service Corps for transportation of ammo to wherever needed. There is always a plan in place as to which formation will be supplied what ammo in what quantity in case a war occurs. Time of travel as well as manpower is already allocated. Contingency plans are always in place. The stats for ammunition available for number of days are calculated on average. In reality they vary, based on amount of fighting conducted by a formation. One battalion may see more combat than another battalion. Reserve Regular forces may not experience fighting at all. In some sectors, artillery brigade may carry continuous shelling rotating fire between its 3-4 regiments, other artillery formations may not shell to that extent.

Now the interesting part;
In wars of 1965 and 1971, Pakistani troops had been using captured indian weapons and ammo as well as food and rations. The captured weapons had usually been MG's, mines, grenades, wireless sets, mortars, artillery etc. Indian Artillery guns captured in 1965 war enabled Pakistan raise an Artillery regiment. During that 17 day war, Pakistani ammo started dwindling, so captured Indian ammo and weapons were used. Most weapons were same caliber back then and some calibers are same even now.

Major Shabbir Shareef in 1965 as Lt. catered for his wounded troops who lacked transport, by sneaking behind Indian lines, commandeered an Indian truck towing an Artillery gun and brought it back to Pakistan lines enabling his wounded troops to reach field medical area. In 1971, as company commander, his troops enjoyed fried fish which indians left back in hurry as they retreated from their bunkers. He was concerned the food may have been poisoned, but Indians had no time. Major Shabbir's troops captured an indian wireless set and had fun listening to their chatter during the course of battle. I have just narrated a few incidents about Major Shabbir Shareef only from both wars, there are many other incidents where Pakistani troops used captured Indian weapons and ammo.

POF is master they always maintain ammo for hindu fascists

Sir, POF comes later.

There is a place to store weapons in every Battalion/Regiment. Its called "Kote" (pronounced similar to Coat). There was a time when Kotes of Rangers and FC had less then allocated weaponry and ammunition. Now, thanks to Afghans and other Indian funded militants caught crossing into Pakistan or apprehended during IBOs by LEAs, there is an abundance of weaponry like pistols, assault rifles, RPG, grenades, MGs, explosives etc which if are not destroyed, make their way into Kotes.

Either way, Pakistani troops use Indian weapons against Indians, has been going on in every war.

Using Indian army's rate of ammo expenditure which is 2000 ATGMs excluding 50% reserves fired daily and 25000 Tank rounds fired daily, Pak army ammo will last for 4-5 days at that rate

Which means all of Indian armor will be destroyed by Pakistan Army within 4-5 days.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Artillery won't help you.
We are a country where rocket launchers have been known to be used to settle village disputes.
The hatred of the Pakistani people of all things Indian and our willingness to fight and die for our freedom is the greatest reason you cannot conquer and dominate us regardless of the imbalance in size and wealth.

I wonder what happened to them in all those wars. I mean if half of you, that's 50 million gun owners could've stormed the Indian army posts, Pak flag would've flown over red fort. Afterall, we can't stop all of you, all those rocket launchers, machine guns, nuclear bum and what not.

 

[Longhorn]

I wonder what happened to them in all those wars. I mean if half of you, that's 50 million gun owners could've stormed the Indian army posts, Pak flag would've flown over red fort. Afterall, we can't stop all of you, all those rocket launchers, machine guns, nuclear bum and what not.

You've never actually managed to defeat our army in Pakistan proper.
If ever that day comes, God forbid, you'll know what I'm talking about.

 

[Mav3rick]

India cannot comfortably win a war against Pakistan let alone a 2-front war against Pakistan and also China. In which dream can India win a war even against China?

It is the Indian attitude that needs adjustment and the entire region (set aside Afghanistan) will become peaceful and prosperous. All that India needs to do is resolve the border issues with both Pakistan and China with a little give-n-take and the region will become not only a strong financial hub but also a financial economic might bigger than even the USA and Europe.

 

[Pyara9]

What a waste of money. It's a shame really.. still boasting about conventional power when both of your enemies are nuclear powered. Few nukes would turn those conventional suporiorties to rubble along with few million people.

Pakistan will never fight a full on conventional war.. we simply can't.. we will switch to nuclear as soon as we run out of conventional weapons.. That's why we have the damn thing duhh.

So you just spent billions of dollars to make your death come quicker?

Can you get any stupider?

 

[Zulfiqar]

That storage is called COD (Central Ordnance Depot). These are distributed all over the country in well defended areas. The ammo storage facilities are classified. Some are built in populated areas, others are built in cantonments, some built inside mountains. Commandant used to be a Colonel, now a Brigadier. POF sends ammo to COD and COD provides ammo to major military formations, Corps or above. There are also Station POL (petrol Oil Lubes) depots in each cantonment. Log Area Command is present for almost every Corps which provides transport (military and requisitions civilian).

Have you heard of Ordnance Corps ? Officers of this Corps specialize in handling, storage and transporting ammunition. They liaise with Service Corps for transportation of ammo to wherever needed. There is always a plan in place as to which formation will be supplied what ammo in what quantity in case a war occurs. Time of travel as well as manpower is already allocated. Contingency plans are always in place. The stats for ammunition available for number of days are calculated on average. In reality they vary, based on amount of fighting conducted by a formation. One battalion may see more combat than another battalion. Reserve Regular forces may not experience fighting at all. In some sectors, artillery brigade may carry continuous shelling rotating fire between its 3-4 regiments, other artillery formations may not shell to that extent.

Now the interesting part;
In wars of 1965 and 1971, Pakistani troops had been using captured indian weapons and ammo as well as food and rations. The captured weapons had usually been MG's, mines, grenades, wireless sets, mortars, artillery etc. Indian Artillery guns captured in 1965 war enabled Pakistan raise an Artillery regiment. During that 17 day war, Pakistani ammo started dwindling, so captured Indian ammo and weapons were used. Most weapons were same caliber back then and some calibers are same even now.

Major Shabbir Shareef in 1965 as Lt. catered for his wounded troops who lacked transport, by sneaking behind Indian lines, commandeered an Indian truck towing an Artillery gun and brought it back to Pakistan lines enabling his wounded troops to reach field medical area. In 1971, as company commander, his troops enjoyed fried fish which indians left back in hurry as they retreated from their bunkers. He was concerned the food may have been poisoned, but Indians had no time. Major Shabbir's troops captured an indian wireless set and had fun listening to their chatter during the course of battle. I have just narrated a few incidents about Major Shabbir Shareef only from both wars, there are many other incidents where Pakistani troops used captured Indian weapons and ammo.


Sir, POF comes later.

There is a place to store weapons in every Battalion/Regiment. Its called "Kote" (pronounced similar to Coat). There was a time when Kotes of Rangers and FC had less then allocated weaponry and ammunition. Now, thanks to Afghans and other Indian funded militants caught crossing into Pakistan or apprehended during IBOs by LEAs, there is an abundance of weaponry like pistols, assault rifles, RPG, grenades, MGs, explosives etc which if are not destroyed, make their way into Kotes.

Either way, Pakistani troops use Indian weapons against Indians, has been going on in every war.


Which means all of Indian armor will be destroyed by Pakistan Army within 4-5 days.

To add to that the above mentioned reserves for POL/ammo allocated for war is separate from that allocated for training e.t.c

Moreover, as for POF.

POF has already increased the capacity of brass raw material manufacturing by investing tens of millions of dollars in last few years.

Additional BMR has been done in casings e.t.c

Regular BMR is being done every year to modernize the manufacturing capacity.

 

[SD 10]

Artillery won't help you.
We are a country where rocket launchers have been known to be used to settle village disputes.
The hatred of the Pakistani people of all things Indian and our willingness to fight and die for our freedom is the greatest reason you cannot conquer and dominate us regardless of the imbalance in size and wealth.

DEATH is a very small word brother. BY the 40th day, there will be mushroom clouds all over INDIA....

 

[Pandora]

That storage is called COD (Central Ordnance Depot). These are distributed all over the country in well defended areas. The ammo storage facilities are classified. Some are built in populated areas, others are built in cantonments, some built inside mountains. Commandant used to be a Colonel, now a Brigadier. POF sends ammo to COD and COD provides ammo to major military formations, Corps or above. There are also Station POL (petrol Oil Lubes) depots in each cantonment. Log Area Command is present for almost every Corps which provides transport (military and requisitions civilian).

Have you heard of Ordnance Corps ? Officers of this Corps specialize in handling, storage and transporting ammunition. They liaise with Service Corps for transportation of ammo to wherever needed. There is always a plan in place as to which formation will be supplied what ammo in what quantity in case a war occurs. Time of travel as well as manpower is already allocated. Contingency plans are always in place. The stats for ammunition available for number of days are calculated on average. In reality they vary, based on amount of fighting conducted by a formation. One battalion may see more combat than another battalion. Reserve Regular forces may not experience fighting at all. In some sectors, artillery brigade may carry continuous shelling rotating fire between its 3-4 regiments, other artillery formations may not shell to that extent.

Now the interesting part;
In wars of 1965 and 1971, Pakistani troops had been using captured indian weapons and ammo as well as food and rations. The captured weapons had usually been MG's, mines, grenades, wireless sets, mortars, artillery etc. Indian Artillery guns captured in 1965 war enabled Pakistan raise an Artillery regiment. During that 17 day war, Pakistani ammo started dwindling, so captured Indian ammo and weapons were used. Most weapons were same caliber back then and some calibers are same even now.

Major Shabbir Shareef in 1965 as Lt. catered for his wounded troops who lacked transport, by sneaking behind Indian lines, commandeered an Indian truck towing an Artillery gun and brought it back to Pakistan lines enabling his wounded troops to reach field medical area. In 1971, as company commander, his troops enjoyed fried fish which indians left back in hurry as they retreated from their bunkers. He was concerned the food may have been poisoned, but Indians had no time. Major Shabbir's troops captured an indian wireless set and had fun listening to their chatter during the course of battle. I have just narrated a few incidents about Major Shabbir Shareef only from both wars, there are many other incidents where Pakistani troops used captured Indian weapons and ammo.


Sir, POF comes later.

There is a place to store weapons in every Battalion/Regiment. Its called "Kote" (pronounced similar to Coat). There was a time when Kotes of Rangers and FC had less then allocated weaponry and ammunition. Now, thanks to Afghans and other Indian funded militants caught crossing into Pakistan or apprehended during IBOs by LEAs, there is an abundance of weaponry like pistols, assault rifles, RPG, grenades, MGs, explosives etc which if are not destroyed, make their way into Kotes.

Either way, Pakistani troops use Indian weapons against Indians, has been going on in every war.


Which means all of Indian armor will be destroyed by Pakistan Army within 4-5 days.

Thanks that was very informative. Some Indian poster here think of war as a simple event where they will get to eat every day and some secret santa will keep delivering them weapons and other goodies. In reality as you mentioned you can never be prepared enough.

Also i reckon during 1965 and 71 wars our ammunition production capabilities were very limited which is not the case now.