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Indian Army Wants to phase out Maruti Gypsy , Search begins for new 4×4

The Maruti Suzuki Gypsy, a dated but highly capable SUV, known as the mountain goat in many off roading circles, may be staring down the barrel. The Indian army, the largest customer of the Gypsy plans to phase out this SUV in favour of a new SUV with improved specifications. The improved specifications include a diesel engine, ABS, Twin Airbags, an 800 Kilogram payload, power windows and a five door design. The Gypsy, in its present guise, does not meet any of the above specifications and this has led to the speculation that the off roader might have reached the end of the road.

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When it was launched in 1985, the sleek but still rugged lines of the Gypsy made it an instant hit, although that popularity never really translated into massive sales figures.The numbers and the ubiquity came when law-enforcement agencies around the country and the armed forces began adding the sports utility vehicle (SUV), originally based on the Suzuki Jimny, to their fleets. The more agile, petrol-driven Gypsy was preferred over the slower, diesel-driven vehicles that had until then proliferated within the ranks of the police and the services.But the sales of the Gypsy to the armed forces may dry up, according to five people familiar with the matter who declined to be identified.

Will this be the end of the road for the vehicle, given that its biggest customer, the Indian Army, wants a sturdier vehicle with more modern features?When the Indian Army sought bids for the 800kg general service vehicle category, Maruti didn’t participate as it doesn’t have one that meets the requirements. Maruti’s Gypsy sells in the 500kg general service vehicle category.

Rivals such as Tata Motors Ltd, Mahindra and Mahindra Ltd and Nissan Motor Co. have bid for the contract for 30,000 vehicles valued at Rs.3,000 crore, according to the people cited above.These people said that once an 800kg vehicle is selected, it will start replacing the Gypsy.Features being sought include airbags, anti-lock braking systems, air-conditioning, power windows, five doors and central locking—specifications absent in the Gypsy, which pretty much still looks the way it did in 1985.“This is a part of the fleet modernization process of the army and the changes have been sought as Gypsy has become obsolete with time,” said one of the people cited above. “The army changed the requirements in 2010 and they (Maruti Suzuki) did not participate for the 800kg class 4×4 general service vehicle tender as Gypsy could not meet the above mentioned new requirements.”

A senior Maruti official speaking on condition of anonymity said that while it did not participate in the bid for the 800kg category, this doesn’t mean that the army will stop using the Gypsy.The “army has never said that the 500kg category will not exist. Maybe both of these categories may co-exist. So to say that the army will stop procuring Gypsys will be far-fetched,” he said.However, the request for the proposal issued by the army has mentioned that “minimum requirement for general service vehicle” is 800kg. Currently, Maruti’s Gypsy is sold in that (500kg) category.A Maruti Suzuki spokesperson, responding to a detailed questionnaire, said, “We have supplied over 27,000 Gyspsys and continue to serve the Indian Army.” He didn’t respond to other questions sent by email.

The Gypsy, along with Mahindra’s MM550, was inducted into the Indian Army in 1985 and Maruti has been selling roughly 3,000 units a year to the armed forces?ever since. Maruti has supplied more than 27,000 Gypsys to the army, a company spokesperson said.A Tata Motors spokesman confirmed that it has bid but declined to give further details. A Mahindra and Mahindra defence division spokesperson declined to comment on the matter. An email sent to the Nissan India spokesperson declined to comment. Emails sent to the spokespersons of the army and defence ministry remained unanswered till press time.

While Mahindra is said to be sending a prototype based on its Scorpio SUV, the Tata Motors’s prototype will be based on the Safari platform. Nissan, participating in a defence procurement bid for the first time in India, will send a prototype based on its X-Trail SUV. There is an old Indian Army connection with the Japanese company, however, through the P60 SUV?that Nissan introduced in the 1960s. It was modified into the Jabalpur Ordnance and Guncarriage Assembly—Jonga for short.Price bids for the Indian Army vehicle tender will be opened after technical clearance is given to the prototypes. Testing will begin by the end of this month after the companies submit their sample vehicles by 15 April.

“The tender will be awarded to the lowest bidder,” said one of the people cited above. “It will be a phase-wise purchase and the army will replace its entire fleet of Gypsys in some years. However, the new general service vehicles will only be a part of the army from 2017 as the process of bidding and placing orders normally takes three-four years.”The army will gradually stop procuring Gypsy SUVs and the vehicle will eventually be phased out, the person said.The Gypsy’s exit from the army had already been on the cards, said Deba R. Mohanty, chairman and chief knowledge officer, Indicia Research and Advisory. “I presume that Maruti may not be meeting the new requirements. Having said that, I think it will be a huge order and augurs well for the Indian companies involved in it.”

Other requirements that the Gypsy won’t meet include the stipulations about being diesel driven, having a minimum 120 horse power, compliant with Bharat Stage (BS) III and BS IV environmental norms and weighing 800kg or above, apart from climbing ability.Maruti doesn’t want to upgrade the Gypsy or develop a new platform as the cost involved wouldn’t be justified by the numbers it could sell, according to another company official.“The numbers that we sell to the army are substantially low as compared with our other models,” said the Maruti official. “Hence, it does not make sense to invest in developing a new platform altogether specifically for the army. We have enough demand coming from the commercial car market and the focus is to meet that demand.”

Also, Maruti doesn’t have a powerful diesel engine in its portfolio that could compete with those of the Safari or the Scorpio. In India, Maruti gets the 1300cc-diesel engine that it uses in several vehicles from Fiat SpA. Developing a new platform for a vehicle costs about Rs.800-Rs.1000 crore, according to experts.

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India’s Light Helicopter Contract Hits Turbulence, Stalls

News and Updates:

April 3/13:

RSH official delay. The Indian Army has asked for a delay in the competition, and the MoD’s Director General (Acquisition) has asked Eurocopter and Kamov for an 8-month extension of their bids to the end of 2013.

The Army’s problem is Brigadier V S Saini, who is currently posted at the Officers’ Training Academy at Chennai (!). He was also in charge of the LUH field trials, and his name is on a document seized by Italian investigators into Finmeccanica’s AW101 VVIP helicopter deal. The document says that “Brig Saini” had demanded over $5 million to favour the company in the LUH deal as well, and mentions a January 2010 offer to “help to eliminate the competition.” The current conclusion is that no money changed hands, but just a few months later, Finmeccanica itself was eliminated on an inconsistent technicality.

Army chief General Bikram Singh reportedly told defence minister A K Antony that the RSH project needs to be formally put on hold until the inquiry against the brigadier is complete. Brig. Sani has denied the allegations, and reports indicate that Indian investigators haven’t been able to secure hard evidence. That means they’ll be depending on the Italians, who haven’t fully shared their VVIP deal evidence yet.

https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/eurocopter-bell-battling-for-500600m-indian-army-contract-0725/
 
hey guys I have got a question for you...
As of 11th plan(2007-2012) Indian army has been augmented by 2 mountain divisions for north east(about 40000 soldiers)...but I was reading an old news where they stated that a new mountain strike corps along with 4 new mountain divisions will be raised...(AFAIK new mountain strike corps and other 2 mountain division will be raised in 12th plan)...so my question is whether by mistake they added those 2 divisions too in it which was raised some years back??
Indian army proposes increasing strength by one lakh troops - India - DNA
@Abingdonboy @sancho @Koovie @Skull and Bones
 
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@kaykay is say your are right in assuming the have not accounted for the 2 divisions already raised.
 
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Manpower crunch: Indian Army short of 9,590 officers

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The Indian Army is short of 9,590 officers. Sources told CNN-IBN on Wednesday that the current intake of officers at various academies will ensure that the deficit will be cut by two per cent every year.

Intake of officer cadets at the National Defence Academy rose from 1,800 to 2,100 since the last two years.

Meanwhile, a report on Wednesday claimed that the Army is looking to induct 200 more women officers with permanent commission (PC), but has ruled out any combat role for them.
Manpower crunch: Indian Army short of 9,590 officers | idrw.org
 
Manpower crunch: Indian Army short of 9,590 officers

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The Indian Army is short of 9,590 officers. Sources told CNN-IBN on Wednesday that the current intake of officers at various academies will ensure that the deficit will be cut by two per cent every year.

Intake of officer cadets at the National Defence Academy rose from 1,800 to 2,100 since the last two years.

Meanwhile, a report on Wednesday claimed that the Army is looking to induct 200 more women officers with permanent commission (PC), but has ruled out any combat role for them.
Manpower crunch: Indian Army short of 9,590 officers | idrw.org

Steps being taken- good!
 
Manpower crunch: Indian Army short of 9,590 officers

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The Indian Army is short of 9,590 officers. Sources told CNN-IBN on Wednesday that the current intake of officers at various academies will ensure that the deficit will be cut by two per cent every year.

Intake of officer cadets at the National Defence Academy rose from 1,800 to 2,100 since the last two years.

Meanwhile, a report on Wednesday claimed that the Army is looking to induct 200 more women officers with permanent commission (PC), but has ruled out any combat role for them.
Manpower crunch: Indian Army short of 9,590 officers | idrw.org

@Abingdonboy i cant understand this. actually how many officers our IA currently inducting every year.
 
@Abingdonboy i cant understand this. actually how many officers our IA currently inducting every year.

What do you mean? What's not to understand?


+ mate, I don't know how many officers the IA inducts per annum.
 
What do you mean? What's not to understand?


+ mate, I don't know how many officers the IA inducts per annum.

No dude. actually in that article they mentioned IA in shortage of 9500 officers. and now recruitment rised from 1800 to 2100 in NDA. but in that article they also mentioned this will reduce 2% in shortage every year. if it is reducing 2per cent in 9500 means then the recruitment will be around 180 every year. then what is that 2100 officers in NDA. if actually it is 2100 every year means then the reduction in shortage will be +20% every year or in every two years atleast.
 
No dude. actually in that article they mentioned IA in shortage of 9500 officers. and now recruitment rised from 1800 to 2100 in NDA. but in that article they also mentioned this will reduce 2% in shortage every year. if it is reducing 2per cent in 9500 means then the recruitment will be around 180 every year. then what is that 2100 officers in NDA. if actually it is 2100 every year means then the reduction in shortage will be +20% every year or in every two years atleast.

Well it's simple maths- if the current intake is 1800 and it will be raised to 2100 (an increase of 300/annum) this is around 3% of the 9500 deficit (300/9500*100)> HOWEVER, this figure (3%) does not account for all those officers who are leaving the IA every year so this can easily be ~100 (or 1% of the 9500 figure deficit) so the real figure of eating into this deficit is ~2%. However the IA has plans to increase the intake even further in the coming years as at the new 2100 figure it would still take the IA 50 years to address the deficit.
 
Army Chief's two day J&K visit begins today, Chinese incursion top con

Jammu: In the backdrop of the Chinese incursion in Ladakh sector of Jammu and Kashmir, Army Chief General Bikram Singh will arrive on a two-day visit of the state, starting from Tuesday.
Defence sources say that the security situation of the region is top of his agenda, following the recent Chinese incursion in Ladakh sector of Jammu and Kashmir. Field commanders are expected to brief the Army Chief on the security situation and counter infiltration and counter-insurgency measures. Meanwhile, China's Foreign Ministry has denied that its troops violated the Line of Actual Control with India.
"Chinese frontier (military) forces have consistently and strictly abided by the relevant treaties agreed on by China and India, respected and conformed to the line of control on the China-Indian border. We conducted a routine border patrol on the Chinese side, and did not even cross a step past the line of control," a Chinese official said.
Army Chief's two day J&K visit begins today, Chinese incursion top con
 
Army chief reviews security status in Doda sector

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Continuing with his review of security and counter-insurgency operations in Jammu and Kashmir, Army chief General Bikram Singh Wednesday visited troop formations in Doda sector and Akhnoor before wrapping up his visit to the state.

Gen. Singh was briefed on the security scenario by respective general officers commanding at the Rashtriya Rifles camps at Dharmund and Sila as part of his visit to formations under the Nagrota-based 16 Corps today, a defence spokesperson said.

The Army chief also visited the Division Headquarters in Akhnoor in Jammu district accompanied by GOC-in-C of Northern Command Lt Gen. KT Parnaik and GOC 16 Corps, Lt Gen. BS Hooda.

During his two-day visit to J-K, Gen. Singh held discussions with formation commanders and also interacted with troops deployed along the Line of Control and those involved in counter-insurgency operations.

Interacting with the troops, he praised them for their selfless sacrifice in ensuring the sanctity of the country’s frontiers and in facilitating return of normalcy in J-K.

Gen. Singh had yesterday briefed J-K Governor NN Vohra and Chief Minister Omar Abdullah about the Chinese incursion in Ladakh region and the situation arising out of it.

The Army chief left for Delhi in the afternoon today.
Army chief reviews security status in Doda sector | idrw.org
 

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