Indian Army is mobilizing tanks and troops along the internationl boundary with Pakistan-OSINT

[doorstar]

I challenged Gen Kiyani and Gen Pasha to blow out their brains for putting pakistan to shame after the OBL fiasco---they threatened me with dire consequences and I challenged them within a week of that fiasco---

cooking khiali pulao on the internet is never the same as being a soldier in real-life

 

[MastanKhan]

cooking khiali pulao on the internet is never the same as being a soldier in real-life

Cowards will always act cowards---soldiers or no soldiers---.

 

[doorstar]

Cowards will always act cowards---soldiers or no soldiers---.

and janitors will always be toilet cleaners even when they move to the USA and get a job in some garage/car repair shop!!!

 

[MastanKhan]

and which profession is that taxi driver, second hand car salesman, truck driver, sanitation worker, a failure in life fake wannabe Pakistan hating insecure looser who is proven wrong every time he opens his mouth professional?

Hi,

World's greatest conquering general of all times Subotai was blacksmith---.

and janitors will always be toilet cleaners even when they move to the USA and get a job in some garage/car repair shop!!!

Hi,

Janitors are also Allah's people---.

 

[Vortex]

Ok guys could we stop bashing each other and use corrrect language please ?

Thanks.

 

[Aasimkhan]

Pakistanis have been going gaga since the Feb 27th incident. It was not a war, just a confrontation like what happens almost everyday at the border. In a confrontation today you can have an a kill, tomorrow we can have an advantage of destroying a bunker or the kill. You can’t call this a victory. Yes downing the MIG 21 & getting the pilot as POW is a moral victory. But if you look at how you reacted even after capturing our pilot in spite of having an upper hand, will tell who was scared & in panic of fighting & escalating.

Even after his capture the Indian Gov.t had a tough stand threatening & dictating Pak Gov.t & establishment to release him immediately or face consequences & you obliged. Releasing the pilot & so quick showed the fear Pakistan was in & that’s our moral victory. Loss of MIG 21 is not a big deal because it is anyway going to be phased out. We lost a Helicopter due to the confrontation. I can accept that as a loss even though you didn’t shoot it down, it’s due to the confrontation. So that’s an economic loss.

The facts is Abhinandan or our MIG 21 crossing over changed the course & the fate of Pakistan. Whether he got over excited to venture into the enemy territory or it was our communication flaws is another debate. But it happened on that day, so luck was on your side on that day. Had he not crossed the LOC on that day, the outcome & losses for Pakistan would have been far far greater. It was our bad luck.

If we had a confrontation with full fleet with exchange of missiles & dog fights between our jets & if you downed our jets - Yes you can call it a victory partially. A full victory is when the enemy surrenders or when your purpose of war is met.. But here we didn’t send even one squadron across, so it was the error of the pilot, where it’s bound to happen. What would happen to a Pakistani jet if it crossed into LOC when you are waiting with your full force other side. It’s a suicide. It’s just Pakistanis trying to pacify each other claiming this a victory, which they have never tasted ever & never will.

In any confrontation where there is ceasefire & no decisive victory, what you look at is the impact of the confrontation. What’s the outcome.

Has India panicked after the war? No. If we have got scared then we will be defensive in our statements & speeches. Has it happened. Will India fear to invade or attack Pakistan again. Do you think it won’t happen again?

Pakistan started all previous wars. Does Pakistan today have the will & guts to start a war with India. No – So your posture now will always be we don’t want war, we are peace lovers, because your Gov.t & establishment knows they cannot win any war with India anymore.

All the previous wars it was Pakistan who was bullying India & imposing casualties & fear, but now it’s India who will impose the same. Pakistan has no choice but to be defensive, because before you used to bully India, volley threats, promote terror or start a war at will as you had a choice run to the international community for ceasefire when you near defeat. India was scared of western isolation & sanctions along with the Chinese threat before, but now India doesn’t fear the west, international community or Chinese.

The biggest victory for India was Pakistani establishment announcing on media, India crossed the international boundary & went back without any response or confrontation. But after the announcement they had to prove to their people they are not cowards, so they brought a full fleet & dropped a bomb in open field just across the LOC. But to Pakistan’s surprise India responded to their attempt to cross LOC immediately. Abhinandan crossed the LOC with an outdated jet. That was your luck

Now coming to the result of this confrontation for Pakistan

Last time the surgical strikes was in LOC, so you could get away by rejecting we didn’t enter the territory. But this time we crossed international boundary, just to prove a point to see if you can reject it. If you don’t announce it, you are putting yourself to risk for future similar incursions freely by India. You had to no choice but to announce it immediately. So this “Indians are cowards” manjan won’t sell anymore with your public. Victory for India.

Pakistan was scared to escalate to a full fledged war. Victory for India

After this bold move, Pakistan in future will be scared to do any Mumbai kind of cowardly attack. India has no more worry or fear for such attacks. Our radars, coast guards, BSF & intelligence was always in extreme pressure to be vigilant, not to miss out on any ploy plotted from across the border. So now it’s an advantage for India, if Pakistan does any such kind of attack, we have the reason & license to invade & attack Pakistan.

So the Mullah’s like Hafeez Saeed, Mullah Omar, Syed Salahuddin will become irrelevant. They won’t be able to plan or execute any terror attack in future. We have given an extra head ache for your Govt & establishment to monitor your own terrorists they don’t plot any attack on India as we will be waiting for such a mistake to be committed by Pakistan. The fear has reversed now for Pakistani people & establishment. Victory for India.

Pakistan is talking claiming there can be another attack before election. This thread itself for eg; is the result of the fear. We have put you on back foot & continuous vigil & agony. This fear will continue even after election. Victory for India

We are making you spend on troop deployment, arms & equipment draining your reserves, which is what India wants. India can afford escalation not Pakistan. As long as cost of Military expenditure, LOC clashes increase, it will keep eating into your developmental funds, pushing your economy lower & lower. Victory for India

We are pushing you more & more into Chinese dependence, as a full fledged war means elimination of Pakistan. You would need China for counter weapons, intelligence & satellite data, for which they will ask you to give access to your territory & other economic benefits. You will slowly lose all your voice, freedom to take decisions & most importantly the power with China. You won’t be able to enforce your laws & decisions on your own land. There will be a day soon where your Gov.t & Military will take full orders making you a bonded labor & thorough slave of China. Victory for India.

As long as these above atmosphere prevails, there will be no development & businesses taken over by China one by one. Local businesses are further going to perish gravely affecting cost of living, increasing unemployment, trade deficit & debts. This is the perfect ingredient for instability, collapse of government & political turmoil. This will increase your crime rate, political, regional & ethnic clashes eventually leading to economic collapse & breakup of the country.

You can see it in your increase in costs for necessities, Rupee struggling to even hold at one level, forget strengthening. Except for loans you have not got any investments so far. Everything is big talks & claims, nothing in reality. So as debts & deficits start putting pressure, your Rupee is further going to tumble leading to hyperinflation & increase in further cost of basic necessities.

Such threads & discussions will give you short term happiness & verbal victory. Your real victory will only be after you decide to surrender to India & accept all its terms. You will able to grow like BD. If not distance will grow not only with India but with Afghanistan, Iran, Israel & others.

And my common sense says, there won’t be any attack or incursions before election or near future at least for a year or two. But yes our soldiers at the border are starving, scared & cowards, so the LOC will remain hot with sniping, shelling & violations continuously as Indians are scared of dying.

Thanks for taking the pain to write a whole plethora of analysis but unfortunately it's mostly wrong and I don't blame you for that because this is what has been told to you by your politicians since last 70 years. Things on ground have been quite different with the only exception of 1971 war which was more of a result of traitors than that of the indian armed forces.
Now let me clarify few things. understand them. it wI'll help you reach the correct decision. when Pakistan fights it fights with a divine help. Our hands become the hand of Allah. You can apply your theory on humans but I am talking of something super human. It's Allah's promise with us. It's our faith He won't let us down, had it not been so you would have decimated us 1948 and 1965 wars but here we r alive and kicking your behind. If you think you can obliterate us by stretching our finances then you will get a surprise of your life don't worry just wait

 

[Cmdr Keen]

Pakistanis have been going gaga since the Feb 27th incident. It was not a war, just a confrontation like what happens almost everyday at the border. In a confrontation today you can have an a kill, tomorrow we can have an advantage of destroying a bunker or the kill. You can’t call this a victory. Yes downing the MIG 21 & getting the pilot as POW is a moral victory. But if you look at how you reacted even after capturing our pilot in spite of having an upper hand, will tell who was scared & in panic of fighting & escalating.

Even after his capture the Indian Gov.t had a tough stand threatening & dictating Pak Gov.t & establishment to release him immediately or face consequences & you obliged. Releasing the pilot & so quick showed the fear Pakistan was in & that’s our moral victory. Loss of MIG 21 is not a big deal because it is anyway going to be phased out. We lost a Helicopter due to the confrontation. I can accept that as a loss even though you didn’t shoot it down, it’s due to the confrontation. So that’s an economic loss.

The facts is Abhinandan or our MIG 21 crossing over changed the course & the fate of Pakistan. Whether he got over excited to venture into the enemy territory or it was our communication flaws is another debate. But it happened on that day, so luck was on your side on that day. Had he not crossed the LOC on that day, the outcome & losses for Pakistan would have been far far greater. It was our bad luck.

If we had a confrontation with full fleet with exchange of missiles & dog fights between our jets & if you downed our jets - Yes you can call it a victory partially. A full victory is when the enemy surrenders or when your purpose of war is met.. But here we didn’t send even one squadron across, so it was the error of the pilot, where it’s bound to happen. What would happen to a Pakistani jet if it crossed into LOC when you are waiting with your full force other side. It’s a suicide. It’s just Pakistanis trying to pacify each other claiming this a victory, which they have never tasted ever & never will.

In any confrontation where there is ceasefire & no decisive victory, what you look at is the impact of the confrontation. What’s the outcome.

Has India panicked after the war? No. If we have got scared then we will be defensive in our statements & speeches. Has it happened. Will India fear to invade or attack Pakistan again. Do you think it won’t happen again?

Pakistan started all previous wars. Does Pakistan today have the will & guts to start a war with India. No – So your posture now will always be we don’t want war, we are peace lovers, because your Gov.t & establishment knows they cannot win any war with India anymore.

All the previous wars it was Pakistan who was bullying India & imposing casualties & fear, but now it’s India who will impose the same. Pakistan has no choice but to be defensive, because before you used to bully India, volley threats, promote terror or start a war at will as you had a choice run to the international community for ceasefire when you near defeat. India was scared of western isolation & sanctions along with the Chinese threat before, but now India doesn’t fear the west, international community or Chinese.

The biggest victory for India was Pakistani establishment announcing on media, India crossed the international boundary & went back without any response or confrontation. But after the announcement they had to prove to their people they are not cowards, so they brought a full fleet & dropped a bomb in open field just across the LOC. But to Pakistan’s surprise India responded to their attempt to cross LOC immediately. Abhinandan crossed the LOC with an outdated jet. That was your luck

Now coming to the result of this confrontation for Pakistan

Last time the surgical strikes was in LOC, so you could get away by rejecting we didn’t enter the territory. But this time we crossed international boundary, just to prove a point to see if you can reject it. If you don’t announce it, you are putting yourself to risk for future similar incursions freely by India. You had to no choice but to announce it immediately. So this “Indians are cowards” manjan won’t sell anymore with your public. Victory for India.

Pakistan was scared to escalate to a full fledged war. Victory for India

After this bold move, Pakistan in future will be scared to do any Mumbai kind of cowardly attack. India has no more worry or fear for such attacks. Our radars, coast guards, BSF & intelligence was always in extreme pressure to be vigilant, not to miss out on any ploy plotted from across the border. So now it’s an advantage for India, if Pakistan does any such kind of attack, we have the reason & license to invade & attack Pakistan.

So the Mullah’s like Hafeez Saeed, Mullah Omar, Syed Salahuddin will become irrelevant. They won’t be able to plan or execute any terror attack in future. We have given an extra head ache for your Govt & establishment to monitor your own terrorists they don’t plot any attack on India as we will be waiting for such a mistake to be committed by Pakistan. The fear has reversed now for Pakistani people & establishment. Victory for India.

Pakistan is talking claiming there can be another attack before election. This thread itself for eg; is the result of the fear. We have put you on back foot & continuous vigil & agony. This fear will continue even after election. Victory for India

We are making you spend on troop deployment, arms & equipment draining your reserves, which is what India wants. India can afford escalation not Pakistan. As long as cost of Military expenditure, LOC clashes increase, it will keep eating into your developmental funds, pushing your economy lower & lower. Victory for India

We are pushing you more & more into Chinese dependence, as a full fledged war means elimination of Pakistan. You would need China for counter weapons, intelligence & satellite data, for which they will ask you to give access to your territory & other economic benefits. You will slowly lose all your voice, freedom to take decisions & most importantly the power with China. You won’t be able to enforce your laws & decisions on your own land. There will be a day soon where your Gov.t & Military will take full orders making you a bonded labor & thorough slave of China. Victory for India.

As long as these above atmosphere prevails, there will be no development & businesses taken over by China one by one. Local businesses are further going to perish gravely affecting cost of living, increasing unemployment, trade deficit & debts. This is the perfect ingredient for instability, collapse of government & political turmoil. This will increase your crime rate, political, regional & ethnic clashes eventually leading to economic collapse & breakup of the country.

You can see it in your increase in costs for necessities, Rupee struggling to even hold at one level, forget strengthening. Except for loans you have not got any investments so far. Everything is big talks & claims, nothing in reality. So as debts & deficits start putting pressure, your Rupee is further going to tumble leading to hyperinflation & increase in further cost of basic necessities.

Such threads & discussions will give you short term happiness & verbal victory. Your real victory will only be after you decide to surrender to India & accept all its terms. You will able to grow like BD. If not distance will grow not only with India but with Afghanistan, Iran, Israel & others.

And my common sense says, there won’t be any attack or incursions before election or near future at least for a year or two. But yes our soldiers at the border are starving, scared & cowards, so the LOC will remain hot with sniping, shelling & violations continuously as Indians are scared of dying.

Not bad.....a pretty decent analysis....
would have been even better if you had factored in the geopolitics of the west...iran...peace talks in Afghanistan and israel

Then it would have been a rather complete analysis.

Still ...a very well structured analysis... Cheers

 

[Mugwop]

Hi,

Thanks for joining in the discussion---. The objective to defend is a losing preposition right from gitgo---.

People are illiterate that is why they are getting hostile---.

When the idols that they have built get shattered---that is when they get hostile---.

When their beliefs get challenged---that is when they get hostile---.

The reason there is no uproar in the world against india is that pakistanis never had the courage to stand up for pakistan---.

When I challenged Gen Kiyani and Gen Pasha to blow out their brains for putting pakistan to shame after the OBL fiasco---they threatened me with dire consequences and I challenged them within a week of that fiasco---when Kiyani was chief of staff and Pasha was head of ISI---.

If I could dare those two when they were in office---then what are these kids proud someone and thunder someone and asim someone to me---not even a scuzz ball---.

The truth here is---the Paf never heeded to the challenge that Imran Khan put to the indians publicly---it took it casually---in the same manner that it took the knowledge of the Kargil attack---. Even though general Mahmood was casual about his attitude of placing shoulder launched SA missiles on the mountain tops---the air force knowing better---did not do any concrete thing about it---.

Paf Air Chief never prepared a plan ahead of time after IK made the statement and took it to the prime minister for approval---knowing very well that hostilities were increasing by the second---.

And if you people could dig a little deeper---you would find out that Qamar Bajwa also had not ordered any plan to be drawn out and prime minister's approval taken in advance regarding any hostilities from the enemy.

This is insider information----Paf had no intention of the strike on 27th if it was not facing heavy criticism from junior officers within and concerned senior public officials---.

The words from concerned in pakistan were " a feeling of gloom is in the air "---.

The thing that is surprising over here is no one dares to question that part---or actually they do not have the intellect to question that part---.

The part where---the attack happened---Modi openly threatened to strike pakistan and Imran Khan threatened retaliation---the question on this defense forum should be asked by the defense analysts and Think Tanks over here is---so what was our plan to counter the enemy---the enemy has made an extremely serious threat on our sovreignty---what are we going to do---.

Not a single news anchor has asked this question---no defense analyst or TT has asked this question here---no defense analyst on pak tv shows has asked this question---only one who is asking this question is me---.

These young kids don't understand that the questions that they have are proportional to their mental abilities to understand what is happening---so---don't yell at me if you guys don't understand or do not have the comprehension to understand what I am saying---.

So---if you think that a momin can fight without a sword---then I think of over 6 million dead muslims at the hands of the christistian military and 70 million homeless---while your verbage is a rhetoric---mine are actual numbers happening in our life time---if you think that 'you' have won any wars against the infidels in the last 700 years---name one against a major force---.

Hi,

Thanks for joining in the discussion---. The objective to defend is a losing preposition right from gitgo---.

People are illiterate that is why they are getting hostile---.

When the idols that they have built get shattered---that is when they get hostile---.

When their beliefs get challenged---that is when they get hostile---.

The reason there is no uproar in the world against india is that pakistanis never had the courage to stand up for pakistan---.

When I challenged Gen Kiyani and Gen Pasha to blow out their brains for putting pakistan to shame after the OBL fiasco---they threatened me with dire consequences and I challenged them within a week of that fiasco---when Kiyani was chief of staff and Pasha was head of ISI---.

If I could dare those two when they were in office---then what are these kids proud someone and thunder someone and asim someone to me---not even a scuzz ball---.

The truth here is---the Paf never heeded to the challenge that Imran Khan put to the indians publicly---it took it casually---in the same manner that it took the knowledge of the Kargil attack---. Even though general Mahmood was casual about his attitude of placing shoulder launched SA missiles on the mountain tops---the air force knowing better---did not do any concrete thing about it---.

Paf Air Chief never prepared a plan ahead of time after IK made the statement and took it to the prime minister for approval---knowing very well that hostilities were increasing by the second---.

And if you people could dig a little deeper---you would find out that Qamar Bajwa also had not ordered any plan to be drawn out and prime minister's approval taken in advance regarding any hostilities from the enemy.

This is insider information----Paf had no intention of the strike on 27th if it was not facing heavy criticism from junior officers within and concerned senior public officials---.

The words from concerned in pakistan were " a feeling of gloom is in the air "---.

The thing that is surprising over here is no one dares to question that part---or actually they do not have the intellect to question that part---.

The part where---the attack happened---Modi openly threatened to strike pakistan and Imran Khan threatened retaliation---the question on this defense forum should be asked by the defense analysts and Think Tanks over here is---so what was our plan to counter the enemy---the enemy has made an extremely serious threat on our sovreignty---what are we going to do---.

Not a single news anchor has asked this question---no defense analyst or TT has asked this question here---no defense analyst on pak tv shows has asked this question---only one who is asking this question is me---.

These young kids don't understand that the questions that they have are proportional to their mental abilities to understand what is happening---so---don't yell at me if you guys don't understand or do not have the comprehension to understand what I am saying---.

So---if you think that a momin can fight without a sword---then I think of over 6 million dead muslims at the hands of the christistian military and 70 million homeless---while your verbage is a rhetoric---mine are actual numbers happening in our life time---if you think that 'you' have won any wars against the infidels in the last 700 years---name one against a major force---.

I agree it is a losing preposition.

I have stated twice how to counter the enemy, One was when chandu was captured and the other was when abhinandan was captured but not alot of people here agreed with my strategy.

 

[Viny]

Thanks for taking the pain to write a whole plethora of analysis but unfortunately it's mostly wrong and I don't blame you for that because this is what has been told to you by your politicians since last 70 years. Things on ground have been quite different with the only exception of 1971 war which was more of a result of traitors than that of the indian armed forces.
Now let me clarify few things. understand them. it wI'll help you reach the correct decision. when Pakistan fights it fights with a divine help. Our hands become the hand of Allah. You can apply your theory on humans but I am talking of something super human. It's Allah's promise with us. It's our faith He won't let us down, had it not been so you would have decimated us 1948 and 1965 wars but here we r alive and kicking your behind. If you think you can obliterate us by stretching our finances then you will get a surprise of your life don't worry just wait

Ok and why Allah will only be with you and not with 300 million Indian Muslims, even if forget that there are other 1000s of Gods in India to support, Hindus, Jains, Buddhists, Sikhs and 100s of other religions.

Being born on certain piece of land or being born in certain family doesnt bring you any closer to divine. Its your deeds that makes difference.

Good to have FAITH in HIM, and HE doenst let anyone down, its your deeds that let you down. HE is same for all, you get what you deserve based on your deeds.

 

[Manidabest]

Modi will need to take a another big action before election to save his political career.

It's do or die.

Na he will win regardless watever happnd after indian fiasco of feb27

 

[Baghial]

I think now u r just arguing for nothing. Have a good day. If you like Mastankhan so much that you will argue with everyone then thats just not right. If he is old thats no excuse to abuse our country.


Thats why pakistani took pakistan from you. Then they took all the northern areas and half of kashmir. And more recently took out your aurcraft to give them tea

thats why u r just a pakistani now-----------not a muslim

 

[Joe Shearer]

Battles and wars are not determined in ‘what ifs’, ‘if we had done that or they had done that’ ... Pakistan won the battle (narrative and military) on the 26th and 27th - the facts are clear on that. How that Pakistani victory will impact the course of future battles and/or wars remains to be seen, and discussion on that is separate from the fact that Pakistan emerged victorious during the recent events.

Second, the Pakistani State was not involved in the Mumbai attacks or the Pulwama attack. Pulwama was clearly by local actors due to local compulsions in IOK.


What I find rather tragic, in terms of the loss of any objectivity in India, is the fact that these significant changes you describe, pushing over a billion and a half people closer to drawn out conflict, if not all out war, have as their trigger an event that was entirely local to IOK in terms of the human and material resources involved, and as its motivation drew upon the barbarities perpetrated upon Kashmiris by the Indian security forces.

Well, with Simla dead, at least Indians won’t be able to use a misinterpretation of the language of Simla to claim that the UNSC Resolutions don’t apply to J&K anymore.

IF Shimla is dead, that does not restore any earlier conditions that were neutralised by Shimla; those remain neutralised.

In effect, we have now a very fluid situation that is not in the interest of anybody. And it is one directly sought for by one state by mounting a series of provocations over a cumulative period of 48 years.

Anybody's patience may be strained; it was unwise of successive generations of provocateurs to lose track of what the effect of their predecessors was, and not to factor that into their own calculations.

The present situation is clear: thanks to offering these latest provocations at a time when an insecure megalomaniac's entire political situation was under threat, the Pakistani establishment has made a spectacular miscalculation that its fanboi squads' yelping cannot cover. It has created a new, higher threshold of non-nuclear response; no longer is the Indian state inclined to that degree of strategic restraint that its wiser, more mature earlier leadership had exercised, it is today finding to its surprise that crossing the LOC is an option, as it wasn't during Kargil; that locking on to PAF units is an option, as it was earlier, but that now, releasing a lethal missile in air-to-air combat is an option, as it wasn't during Kargil; that bombing locations within 'legitimised' Pakistan is an option, that was ruled out after 26/11 at Mumbai; that mobilising the Air Force does not lead to anything further than a counter by the opposed Air Force, a possibility that was never completely accepted to the political leadership that wished to skirt a nuclear confrontation by far more than the margins allowed by the current leadership.

The loser is Pakistan. As @sheena 1980 has pointed out in a very emotional post, a series of encounters cannot work in favour of Pakistan, the PAF, the PA or the PN, for reasons that need no elaboration.

@Cobra Arbok made a good point about the pollution of the Indian defence procurement process, a point buttressed by the thoughtful observations of @The Deterrent somewhere else; it is worth remembering by those Pakistanis who retain their sanity and balance that these defects can be cured in a democracy, where nothing, finally, is hidden. The curing may be painful and humiliating, and expensive, and may cost a million lives lost to slow starvation and the ravages of hunger, but what will confront Pakistan is not the starved women and children, but the strengthened and reinforced machinery to grind down the opposition.

Ok and why Allah will only be with you and not with 300 million Indian Muslims, even if forget that there are other 1000s of Gods in India to support, Hindus, Jains, Buddhists, Sikhs and 100s of other religions.

Being born on certain piece of land or being born in certain family doesnt bring you any closer to divine. Its your deeds that makes difference.

Good to have FAITH in HIM, and HE doenst let anyone down, its your deeds that let you down. HE is same for all, you get what you deserve based on your deeds.

As Akbar pointed out once, Allah seems to have sided India on each and every occasion.

 

[Hellfire]

Back to hellfire now ....no longer vibrio hehe

Necessity dictates that original id comes forth.

PA has placed Brigade sized forces in critical area, like Rahim Yar Khan is defended by an Infantry Brigade from a formation of XXXI Corps. As the IBG attacks are absorbed by infantry formations which could or could not be assisted by maneuver formations, then the armor formations will try to break into India. There is also another talk to create own combined arms forces (Brigade Strength or more) which can effectively penetrate inside India. This is why some Indep Armored Brigades are deployed near borders and shown as Corps Reserves. The doctrine always was to shift the war inside India, capture a portion of area, keep defending it and launch further attacks using it as launching pad. if Indian armored forces get inside Pakistan's borders, it will be difficult to contain them. Firstly, because Paramilitary is lightly equipped, secondly, the reserves will be used up to eject Indians out from that area which could instead have been used to launch counter attacks inside India. This is where the Gunships could come in and stop Indian armor with the help of PAF.
IA armor can exploit Sindh and Rann of kutch(north of it) areas. V-Corps will get reinforced by XII Corps.The strength of Indian Army is still overwhelming, which means Indian troops and equipment will keep pouring in even if PA keeps repulsing Indian Army attacks. The only other option is to keep pressing on the retreating enemy after repulsing an attack. I do expect comedy of errors from both sides in operational planning and as well as combat.

Good, you posted this for here.

Now work things out for yourself in depth - thinking things through. And keep them for yourself.


As you are aware, the Art of War has less to do with actual war fighting. And you being a student, would really enjoy working things out to study this 'phony war' if I may use the term.

Will drop in later when something changes significantly to post what I can within reasonable limits.

 

[ProudPak]

thats why u r just a pakistani now-----------not a muslim

Loool.
I dont answer my religion to no man and especially not to someone who is indian.

 

[Hellfire]

1. ......and as its motivation drew upon the barbarities perpetrated upon Kashmiris by the Indian security forces.

2. ......Well, with Simla dead, at least Indians won’t be able to use a misinterpretation of the language of Simla to claim that the UNSC Resolutions don’t apply to J&K anymore.

AM!

For

1. Barbarities? A legal nation state requires adherence to the laws. Anyone in violation of the same, is to be dealt with as such. Nobody stops those who feel stifled from leaving for Pakistan. As the complaint is of lack of jobs, resources etc, they can move out.

And as for referendum, again my suggestion, why does Pakistan not conduct it in the so called Azad Jammu & Kashmir, thereby exhibiting a 'sample' population's wishes? I am sure you can appreciate that was Pakistan to do this, this would amount to a major step in applying pressure on India from International Community, which may argue that the population in AJK may perhaps be the representative sample? You have UNMOGIP, expand to include more UN personnel. What stops you?

2. That is one way of looking at, the other, more sinister side is that we revert to ceasefire agreement of 1948. And there, Pakistan recognized an International border opposite the districts of Kathua, Sambha & Jammu. So, the LC is now a CFL, and that means, it was a temporary cessation of hostilities till recovery of lost territories is achieved. India, from willing to consider a division of territories as per actual control, has moved towards reintegration of territories.

The war is not about military confrontation, but imposing costs on Pakistan, costs that shall be felt at the core support group for terror. Meanwhile, to paraphrase @Nilgiri we continue to add more than a small fraction of Pakistan's GDP daily to our economy.

Rest, as @Joe Shearer has said. No difference of opinion with him.

Regards & best wishes to you and yours.