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Why do people posts inane threads like these? The thread's claim does not mean anything. The fact is emigrant groups are a select cohort of the general population that they come from.

Have we supposed to draw the conclusion that Indian's are the most successful people compared to other groups in USA. If so India ought to be the superpower of the world. All those starving [ UN reports show there are more malnourished in India then even Sub Saharan Africans ] people in India can't be Indian's.

The relative success of emigrants depends on the dynamic that motivated their migration. Do they come to sell their labour or come with rare skills or education?

In UK I always marvel at the number of ignorent illiterate Pakistani's who have somehow managed to get here and now send monery to their poor families in Pakistan. Of course they don't contribute to creating a impressive profile of the Pakistani disapora but I can't begrudge these people. I have to respect them that, that from dirt poor backgrounds from some way isolated village they got to Europe and now are contributing to their familes and Pakistan.

I don't see many Indian's in UK from this class - I refuse to believe that India does not have poor backward people [ Dalits?? ] but somehow they have not managed to get to here in large numbers.
 
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The 2008 election barely ended before the GOP began touting the presidential prospects of Louisiana Gov. Piyush "Bobby" Jindal, the son of Indian immigrants. Tuesday, Jindal becomes the new face of his party when he delivers the official Republican response to President Obama's speech to Congress. Whether or not he actually runs for president in 2012, Jindal symbolizes a remarkable but rarely discussed phenomenon--the amazing success of Indian Americans in general, and what that success says about our immigration policy.

Most Americans know only one thing about Indians--they are really good at spelling bees. When Sameer Mishra correctly spelled guerdon last May to win the 2008 Scripps National Spelling Bee, he became the sixth Indian-American winner in the past 10 years. Finishing second was Sidharth Chand. Kavya Shivashankar took fourth place, and Janhnavi Iyer grabbed the eighth spot. And this was not even the banner year for Indian Americans--in 2005, the top four finishers were all of Indian descent.

It's tempting to dismiss Indian-American dominance of the spelling bee as just a cultural idiosyncrasy. But Indian success in more important fields is just as eye-catching. Despite constituting less than 1% of the U.S. population, Indian-Americans are 3% of the nation's engineers, 7% of its IT workers and 8% of its physicians and surgeons. The overrepresentation of Indians in these fields is striking--in practical terms, your doctor is nine times more likely to be an Indian-American than is a random passerby on the street.Indian Americans are in fact a new "model minority." This term dates back to the 1960s, when East Asians--Americans of Chinese, Japanese and Korean descent--were noted for their advanced educations and high earnings.East Asians continue to excel in the U.S, but among minority groups, Indians are clearly the latest and greatest "model." In 2007, the median income of households headed by an Indian American was approximately $83,000, compared with $61,000 for East Asians and $55,000 for whites.About 69% of Indian Americans age 25 and over have four-year college degrees, which dwarfs the rates of 51% and 30% achieved by East Asians and whites, respectively. Indian Americans are also less likely to be poor or in prison, compared with whites.

So why do Indian Americans perform so well? A natural answer is self-selection. Someone willing to pull up roots and move halfway around the world will tend to be more ambitious and hardworking than the average person. But people want to come to the U.S. for many reasons, some of which--being reunited with other family members, for example--have little to do with industriousness. Ultimately, immigration policy decides which kinds of qualities our immigrants possess.

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Under our current immigration policy, a majority of legal immigrants to the U.S. obtain green cards (permanent residency) because they have family ties to U.S. citizens, but a small number (15% in 2007) are selected specifically for their labor market value. The proportion of Indian immigrants given an employment-related green card is one of the highest of any nationality. Consequently, it is mainly India's educated elite and their families who come to the U.S.The success of Indian Americans is also often ascribed to the culture they bring with them, which places strong--some would even say obsessive--emphasis on academic achievement. Exhibit A is the spelling bee, which requires long hours studying etymology and memorizing word lists, all for little expected benefit other than the thrill of intellectual competition.But education and culture can take people only so far. To be a great speller--or, more importantly, a great doctor or IT manager--you have to be smart. Just how smart are Indian Americans? We don't know with much certainty. Most data sets with information on ethnic groups do not include IQ scores, and the few that do rarely include enough cases to provide interpretable results for such a small portion of the population.

The only direct evidence we have comes from the 2003 New Immigrant Survey, in which a basic cognitive test called "digit span" was administered to a sample of newly arrived immigrant children. It is an excellent test for comparing people with disparate language and educational backgrounds, since the test taker need only repeat lengthening sequences of digits read by the examiner. Repeating the digits forward is simply a test of short-term memory, but repeating them backward is much more mentally taxing, hence a rough measure of intelligence.

When statistical adjustments are used to convert the backward digit span results to full-scale IQ scores, Indian Americans place at about 112 on a bell-shaped IQ distribution, with white Americans at 100. 112 is the 79th percentile of the white distribution. For more context, consider that Ashkenazi Jews are a famously intelligent ethnic group, and their mean IQ is somewhere around 110.

Given the small sample size, the rough IQ measure and the lack of corroborating data sets, this finding of lofty Indian-American intelligence must be taken cautiously. Nevertheless, it is entirely consistent with their observed achievement.

The superior educational attainment, academic culture and likely high IQ of Indian Americans has already made them an economic force in the U.S., and that strength can only grow. Does this continuing success imply they will become a political force? Here, Gov. Jindal is actually a rarity. Indians are still underrepresented in politics, and they do not specialize in the kinds of fields (law and finance) most conducive to political careers. Time will tell if they are able to convert economic power into serious political influence, as a Jindal presidency could.

A much clearer implication of Indian-American success is that immigrants need not be unskilled, nor must their economic integration take generations to achieve. In sharp contrast to Indian Americans, most U.S. immigrants, especially Mexican, are much less wealthy and educated than U.S. natives, even after many years in the country.

A new immigration policy that prioritizes skills over family reunification could bring more successful immigrants to the U.S. By emphasizing education, work experience and IQ in our immigration policy, immigrant groups from other national backgrounds could join the list of model minorities.

There is nothing inevitable about immigration. Who immigrates each year is a policy decision, free to be modified at any time by Congress. Constructing new legislation is always difficult, but I propose a simple starting point for immigration selection: Anyone who can spell guerdon is in!

Jason Richwine is a National Research Initiative fellow at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington.

Indian Americans: The New Model Minority - Forbes.com
 
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http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2012/06/The-Rise-of-Asian-Americans-Full-Report.pdf

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Chinese hardly get along with anyone! What a hateful bunch, why am I not surprised. :angel:

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Really depends on how you look at it. On one hand Indian Americans are some of the best and brightest people in the nation, which is a fact that I could attest to. On the other hand doesn't this imply a major leakage of talents from India?
 
We have a surplus of over qualified graduates at this stage of our history. So its really not an issue. The competition in the Indian job market is extremely competitive. Those that cannot make it here head over to the middle east or elsewhere.

That is now the reality of things and im mighty proud of it.

The Indian job market is not for the weak. You can see GRADUATES working as bus conductors or as police constables. People are desperate for a job.

There's just waaaaay too many over qualified people round here. Especially, in my state, Kerala.
 
We have a surplus of over qualified graduates at this stage of our history. So its really not an issue. The competition in the Indian job market is extremely competitive. Those that cannot make it here head over to the middle east or elsewhere.

That is now the reality of things and im mighty proud of it.

The Indian job market is not for the weak. You can see GRADUATES working as bus conductors or as police constables. People are desperate for a job.

There's just waaaaay too many over qualified people round here. Especially, in my state, Kerala.

Not in case of doctors. We still have one of the worst doctor to patient ratio in the world.
 
Not in case of doctors. We still have one of the worst doctor to patient ratio in the world.

Probably. However, what i said still holds true.

Lets not ignore the existence of commerce and business graduates :rofl:

One among my friends continues to work as a postal assistant. He holds a B.tech in mechanical engineering.
 
Really depends on how you look at it. On one hand Indian Americans are some of the best and brightest people in the nation, which is a fact that I could attest to. On the other hand doesn't this imply a major leakage of talents from India?

it is interesting that Indian Americans are not only the highest income group with a big lead with others, but also it is a very big group which account for around 1% of total US's population. they are not a small group of high per capita income :disagree:. and Indians are mainly known in western countries as highly qualified professionals, few is business side also but very less as compare to Chinese. and at the same time we get news that Indians accounts for a big ratio of professional teams of GE, MS, GM, NASA, defence sectors etc. most of the techs US is using is developed by migrants, mainly Indians :pop:

and at the same time if you look on the datas then Indian professionals are going back to India in a big number during last 3-4 years trend :enjoy:
 
BREAKING NEWS: Corporate IT Workers earn more than average people. More at 11.

Good for Indian Americans, but really... it's an effect of self selection. The important thing isn't that Indian Americans are succeeding, it's that India's failing. Successful people are successful where ever they go, It's pulling up the rest that's tough.
 
Probably. However, what i said still holds true.

Lets not ignore the existence of commerce and business graduates :rofl:

But AFAIK, the immigrants to US are mostly professionals including Doctors.

One among my friends continues to work as a postal assistant. He holds a B.tech in mechanical engineering.

Clearly he is in the wrong profession and wasting his talent.
 
Really depends on how you look at it. On one hand Indian Americans are some of the best and brightest people in the nation, which is a fact that I could attest to. On the other hand doesn't this imply a major leakage of talents from India?

the chinese anomaly has struck... :lol: long time
 
This can be my opinion and not a fact...

Whenever I watch medical detectives on Discovery, most of the times the doctors shown are indians.. Is this a coincidence..?

but anyways, some pakistani poster has also highlighted it which i would like to reiterate again.. many pakistani people emigrating to UK are from very poor background and somehow made their way to europe.. they don't have fancy work space but work hard and send some $$ back home as well.. This obviously don't work towards improving the profile of their community but they are doing what is necessary for them..

They should be appreciated in a different way..

Besides, I really don't understand why is this thread being discussed to death when it's clear that they still call us 'THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES'.

The bottom line is, most Asians are hard working and I would quote one line here.. HARD WORK IS THE KEY TO SUCCESS.
 
it is interesting that Indian Americans are not only the highest income group with a big lead with others, but also it is a very big group which account for around 1% of total US's population. they are not a small group of high per capita income :disagree:. and Indians are mainly known in western countries as highly qualified professionals, few is business side also but very less as compare to Chinese. and at the same time we get news that Indians accounts for a big ratio of professional teams of GE, MS, GM, NASA, defence sectors etc. most of the techs US is using is developed by migrants, mainly Indians :pop:

and at the same time if you look on the datas then Indian professionals are going back to India in a big number during last 3-4 years trend :enjoy:

i won't involve cast but even if right now castism is almost gone from India, too many forward cast Indians moved to western nations in 80s, 90s and during last decades because they were disadvantageous badly in India due to very high reservations in India for backward casts in different institutions and government jobs. and it all had resulted in loss of top talents to US, who could help India have better techs than US. but it is also argued that those indian professionals could perform so good in US as they got the right environment there, which was absent in india during last 3-4 decades :coffee:
 
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