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Hey one more profit with Israeli package is that now Elta own by Tata

You need to correct that. ELTA in Israel is owned by ELTA. While ELTA's joint venture in India has majority (74%) shareholding by TATA. The remaining 26% is with ELTA.
 
You need to correct that. ELTA in Israel is owned by ELTA. While ELTA's joint venture in India has majority (74%) shareholding by TATA. The remaining 26% is with ELTA.

I know sir,

I think Elta is government entity so how can any one imagine that they can sell it to other

My point is that our mirage will be upgraded in India with ToT so :bounce:
 
I know sir,

I think Elta is government entity so how can any one imagine that they can sell it to other

My point is that our mirage will be upgraded in India with ToT so :bounce:

Do you mean that Mirage 2k will be upgraded by ELTA ?
And GoI negotiated with France and Dassault for it.
 
Do you mean that Mirage 2k will be upgraded by ELTA ?
And GoI negotiated with France and Dassault for it.

Negotiation with both the parties continued till last update but dnt know about current update.
 
So far I heard, there is no engine or air frame change. That is why IAF protested against the high cost being charged by France. Other packages like weapon system etc can be done by Elta/IAI with their radars and weapons.

Sorry, I missed your post!

Yes, no engine changes, but the airframe will get an overhaul for life extention, new wrings, a glass cockpit and modern layout with new displays. These things couldn't be done from the Israelis and I also hope for additional weapon stations and weapons to boost the capabilities. Check these pics:

IAF Mirage 2000H - 4 x AAMs
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3 x AAMs, 1 x centerline fuel tank, 1 x ECM pod
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Mirage 2000-5 in long range A2A role - 3 x fuel tanks, 4 x BVR missiles, 2 x WVR missiles
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In deep penetration strike role - 2 x fuel tanks, 4 x BVR MICA, 2 x WVR MICA, 1 x SCALP cruise missile
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As you can see with longer range, more weapon stations and more deadly weapons, not to forget new radar and avionics, these M2Ks will be more than a match for any enemy!
 
IAF has sufficient pilots for operational requirements​


New Delhi, Nov 29 (IANS) The Indian Air Force (IAF) has sufficient pilots and personnel below officer rank to meet its operational requirements, parliament was informed Monday.

'The available strength of pilots and personnel below officer rank is sufficient to meet the current operational requirements of the Indian Air Force,' Defence Minister A.K. Antony said in a written reply in the Lok Sabha.

There 'is no significant shortage of personnel below officer rank', he added.

He, also said vacancies, including newly created posts, were being filled up in a phased manner.


IAF has sufficient pilots for operational requirements
 
Defective components to IAF: UK firm fined

NEW DELHI: The Defence Ministry today said it has fined British defence major BAE Systems for supplying defective components for the Hawk AJT aircraft for the IAF.


The defective components caused delays in supply of the aircraft by the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) to IAF, which had to modify its training plan for its young pilots on the Hawk advanced jet trainer, Defence Minister A K Antony told Lok Sabha in reply to a written query.

"In view of the delay in delivery of Hawk by HAL due to the receipt of
defective components, jigs and fixtures from the foreign manufacturer, on whom liquidated damages have been levied, the original training plan by Hawk AJT for 2010-11 has been modified," he said.

Hawks were inducted into the IAF in 2008 with an aim of replacing Kiran Mk II and MiG 21 aircraft for flying training.

"Pilots of IAF are being trained on the MiG 21 aircraft," he said.

In 2004, a contract was signed with the UK for supplying 66 Hawks of which 24 were to be manufactured in Britain and rest were to be license-produced at HAL facilities in the country.


Due to the supply of defective items by BAE systems, the delivery schedule of the aircraft has been adversely affected.
BAE Systems supplies the components of the aircraft to the HAL in complete or semi knocked down kits and they are assembled by the Indian aircraft manufacturer at its lines in Bangalore.


Recently, India signed an agreement with BAE Systems for procuring another 57 aircraft of which 40 will be for IAF and the rest will go to the Navy.


Answering another query, Antony said the available strength of pilots and personnel below officers ranks was enough to meet the current operational requirements of IAF.

"The ab initio cost of training of a fighter pilot in the IAF at 2008-09 rates is Rs 13.70 crore approximately," he said.

Defective components to IAF: UK firm fined | BAE Systems | Hawk AJP | Indian Express
 
IAF: Air courier services to Kargil for winters - India News - IBNLive

(IAF) will start air courier service to Kargil district in Ladakh from December 6 to facilitate the movement of people of the remote areas during winter.

"IAF will start its An-32 air courier service from Jammu and Srinagar airports from December 6 to facilitate movement of people in Kargil during winter as Srinagar-Kargil highway remains closed due to heavy snowfall," Transport and Consumer Affairs and Public Distribution (CAPD) Minister Qamar Ali Akhoon told reporters in Jammu.

A meeting was held with the Air Force officers on Thursday in which the schedule of air courier services from Srinagar and Jammu capital cities to airlift people of Kargil to the snow-cut district headquarter was discussed, he said.

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Courier service will operate between Srinagar and Kargil on every Monday, Wednesday and Thursday, while between Kargil and Jammu on every Tuesday, he said. Rupees 1,000 will be charged per passenger for flying from Srinagar to Kargil and rupees 1,300 from Jammu to Kargil, Akhoon said.

In case of bad weather, passengers flying to Kargil would be dropped at Leh and additional flights would be operated next day, he said.
 
Press Information Bureau English Releases

Six C-130J-30 aircraft have been purchased from the Government of United States of America (USG) through the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) route at a cost of US $ 962 million which includes the cost on account of training, role and support equipment, spares, warranty and US Government administrative charges. In the absence of official information regarding the coast of the Canadian procurement, it is not possible to make appropriate comparative cost analysis.

In accordance with the Defence Procurement Procedure, the Letter of Request (LOR) stipulated an offset obligation of not less than 30% of the estimated amount. The OEM has undertaken to fulfil the stipulated offset obligation.

This information was given by Defence Minister Shri AK Antony in a written reply to Shri Rajeev Chandrasekhar in Rajya Sabha today.
 
IAF Lost 15 aircrafts and helicopters for financial year 2009-2010.

A total of 15 fighter aircrafts and helicopters of the Defence forces crashed during the financial year 2009-2010. 1 civilian and 8 service personnel (including pilots) were killed in these accidents. Human Error and Technical Defect were the main reasons for these accidents.

Appropriate measures for modernization of the Indian Air Force based on operational requirements and national security is undertaken by the Government from time to time. This is an ongoing process.

This information was given by Defence Minister Shri AK Antonty in a written reply to Shri Moinul Hassan & Shri T M Selvaganapathi in Rajya Sabha today.
 
First C130J aircraft to be delivered to India next week -  International News ? News ? MSN India

First C130J aircraft to be delivered to India next week
Lalit K Jha
Washington, Dec 10 (PTI) The first of the six state-of-the art C-130J military transport aircraft would be delivered to India on December 16, its manufacturer Lockheed Martin said today.

India has placed orders for six of these aircrafts.

"The first C-130J for India will be formally delivered on December 16 at a ceremony in Marietta," Lockheed Martin said in a statement.

"Two will be flown to India in early 2011, while two more will arrive in early summer and the last two will be delivered in late summer of 2011," it said.

Robert Blake, Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia, said on Wednesday that in conjunction with the purchase of six C-130J transport aircraft in 2008 the recent USD 4.1 billion C-17 Indian deal with Boeing will double US-India defense trade and provide the Indian Air Force a strategic airlift and humanitarian response capability that is unique to the region and emblematic of India''s ambitions to play an increasingly global role.

"Once all the aircraft have been delivered, ladies and gentlemen, India will have the second largest C-17 fleet in the world behind the US - a highly visible manifestation of the US-India defense partnership," Blake said.

Lockheed Martin C-130J Hercules is the most advanced airlifter ever built.

The C-130J combines the latest in aerospace technology with a proven, rugged airframe design, resulting in an aircraft that gives an operator more capability with greater operational efficiency.

The Indian Air Force''s new Super Hercules will be the longer fuselage or "stretched" variant of the C-130J, similar to those being delivered to the US Air Force.

With this India joins the growing number of nations with C-130J fleets including the US, Australia, Canada, Italy, Denmark, Norway and the United Kingdom.

The C-130J carries eight 463L pallets, 97 medical litters, 24 CDS bundles, 128 combat troops and 92 paratroops.

Equipped with an Infrared Detection Set (IDS), the aircraft will be able to perform precision low-level flying, airdrops, and landing in blackout conditions. Self protection systems and other features are included to ensure aircraft survivability in hostile air defence environments.

In addition the aircraft is equipped with air-to-air receiver refueling capability for extended range operations.

Lockheed Martin will integrate this equipment and other capabilities into the Indian configuration as agreed between the governments. (More) PTI LKJ
 
Lockheed offsets mock MoD norms

Lockheed offsets mock MoD norms

US defence major Lockheed Martin’s offset proposals, arising from its sale to India of six C-130J Super Hercules transport aircraft for $962 million (about Rs 3,835 crore), are seen by some defence ministry officials as violating provisions of the offsets policy. They say they make a mockery of the ministry’s stated aim of promoting an indigenous defence industry.

Lockheed Martin’s $275-million offset offer was proposed on November 21 and cleared by the defence ministry. However, several ministry officials fear that allowing Lockheed Martin to bypass offset liabilities would invite similar disregard by other vendors.




The largest component of Lockheed Martin’s offset offer is a $121-million proposal to import and operate a “weapons system trainer” (WST), which is a simulator on which instructors from Mahindra & Mahindra will train Indian Air Force (IAF) crews of the C-130J.

The first shocker is the cost of the WST, one of four simulators needed to train C-130J aircrews. For this piece of hardware alone, Lockheed Martin is claiming offsets credit worth $121 million, almost 45 per cent of its entire offset liability.


DOG FIGHT
Offset
proposal Value
($ mn) Defence ministry
guideline
Manufacture of RFID
components 119 Does not qualify as not
military hardware
Simulator import 48 Straight imports cannot be
treated as offsets
Contracts to M&M 55 Relates to import (of simulator)
Aircraft engine
design services 20 Eligible only for military engines
Technology transfer 15 No provision
F-16 avionics 15 Eligible for offset components
Travel savings 3 Not permissible


This has been possible because the IAF, for reasons unknown, did not include simulators while actually purchasing the C-130J. Had the WST been part of the C-130J contract, Lockheed Martin would have been liable — in accordance with Defence Offset Policy, a part of the Defence Procurement Procedure of 2008 (DPP-2008) — to pay 30 per cent of the cost of the simulator as offset.

Pushpinder Singh, a noted aerospace expert and editor of Vayu magazine, points out: “Simulators are vital for training crewpersons. That is why every buyer of aircraft includes training simulators in the primary contract. That benefits the buyer because the vendor becomes liable for offsets for the simulator as well.”

Responding to an emailed query from Business Standard, Lockheed Martin confirmed:

“The requirement for a WST was not included under the letter of request for the C-130J issued by the government of India in December 2006. Lockheed Martin chose to include a WST in its offset proposal… The government agreed with our view and approved the proposed offset project after negotiations.”

When contacted by Business Standard for a comment on IAF’s actions, the defence ministry did not respond.

Considered individually, almost every component of Lockheed Martin’s simulator offset proposal violates the defence ministry’s policy. Take, for instance, offset credit for $48 million to directly import the simulator, which will be installed in Hindon outside Delhi and operated by M&M, Lockheed Martin’s Indian offset partner.

Straight imports of defence equipment cannot be treated as offsets under defence offset policy. Lockheed Martin, however, claims: “Direct foreign investment is permitted as an offset under the terms of the DPP. The milestone credits for the WST project are based on direct foreign investment in India, which results in the provision of aircrew training facilities and capabilities.”

This, say offset experts, is factually incorrect. Para 2.1(b) of the offset policy permits “direct foreign investment for industrial infrastructure for services...” But the policy defines “services” as “maintenance, overhaul, upgrades, life extension, engineering, design, testing of defence products, defence related software or quality assurance services”. What is being provided in this case is a ready-built simulator.

Lockheed Martin’s other offset proposals have rung alarm bells within the ministry. They include offset credit of US $20 million for “aircraft engine design services” with Bangalore-based engineering firm QuEST. This would only be treatable as an offset if the design services were for military engines, but there is no way of ensuring that.

It has proposed offset credit of $15 million for “manufacture of F-16 avionics components” with Tata Power. While this would indeed be eligible for offsets, Tata Power confirms that there is no ongoing dialogue with Lockheed Martin.

Finally, a whopping offset credit of $119 million for “manufacture of RFID components” with Bharat Electronics. RFID components are not military equipment under the DPP-2008, and this manufacture does not qualify for offsets.

Worried by such violations of the offset policy, the defence ministry is carrying out a major review. But the Indian defence industry, which was supposed to benefit from offsets, is concerned that instead of tightening policy, the ministry is poised to create further loopholes that would benefit foreign vendors.
 
PIB Press Release

Purchase of Helicopters

A contract for the procurement of 80 Mi 17-V5 helicopters along with spares and the associated equipment was signed between Ministry of Defence and M/s Rosoboronexport, Russia on 5th December 2008 at a cost of US $ 1,345,836,495.83.

The Mi-17-V5 helicopters will be utilised for Special Heliborne Operations, air-maintenance, transportation of troops and equipment, search and rescue, casualty evacuation and in armed helicopter roles. The delivery of these helicopters is likely to commence by March 2011
 
Vying to make it into the Indian Air Force

With India planning to make some big-ticket purchases to strengthen its air power, the upcoming Aero India, to be held at the Air Force Station, Yelahanka, will see many foreign firms exhibiting their latest products.

As reported earlier, the US aviation company, Lockheed Martin, will be bringing the F-35 cockpit demonstrator to Aero India 2011 for the first time. Also to make a presence during the five-day air show would be the US Air Force’s WC-130 (Weather Bird).

A Lockheed official said that the US Air Force is working to bring the WC-130 (Weather Bird), which has a specialised configuration for weather data mapping.

The WC-130 a high-wing, medium-range aircraft is flown by the Air Force Reserve Command for weather reconnaissance missions.

The aircraft, a modified version of the C-130, can stay aloft nearly 15 hours and can covers 3,500 miles at a stretch.


“Lockheed Martin’s two F-16s (Block 60) aircraft and the US Air Force’s two F-16s will be displayed,” said an official.

Boeing is also planning to bring a wide range of aircraft, which include the F/A-18 Super Hornet, one of the contenders for the multi-medium role combat aircraft deal.:what:

With India expected to spend about US$112 billion on capital acquisition by the year 2016, the US is hoping to cash in.

Vying to make it into the Indian Air Force - Bangalore - DNA
 
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