Indian Air Force - Exercises Discussions

[Bull]

I mean the gap between Iraqi Mig-29's and U.S. F-16's in gulf war was less than between the majority of India's aircrafts and U.S. aircrafts.

i dont think so,India's fleet are well maintained and has recieved much better upgradation than any other Migs.

Atleast IAF wont burry their planes in sand to escape USAF!!!

 

[sigatoka]

Atleast IAF wont burry their planes in sand to escape USAF!!!

Of course, they would look so much prettier as burning hulks on the ground.

 

[Bull]

Of course, they would look so much prettier as burning hulks on the ground.

What shud i reply to this post?

 

[Keysersoze]

I wouldn't bother with a reply.It's a silly scenario anyway.

 

[TomCat111]

Anyways your reference from some blog is based on theory that Indian planes cannot stand a chance against the US

Welcome to the 21st century.

1. The article was published in the Defence Journal.
2. True. They don’t stand a chance against the much technological superior and highly trained USAF.

Even the India did not put their best planes against the US.

Please enlighten us how their best planes would have made any difference?

Such exercises are based on tactics and strategy to tackle each other US pilots were awed by agility and skills of Indian pilots.

Aren’t you foolishly stretching the truth wee bit? There is a huge difference between being impressed and awed.

 

[TomCat111]

That thing will continue to beat down almost any aircraft one on one.

Not quite true.

 

[TomCat111]

MKI is … better or atleast equal in capabilities to any F-15.

How?

the JF-17 nor the J-10 can match it in a 1 on 1 basis. Not even remotely so.

Why not? Have you flown or studied either JF-17 or the J-10?

But you otta know that in the cope excercises, India did not use the MKI, they used regular old Su-30.

Please share with us how the MKIs would have changed the equation?

 

[TomCat111]

And they come preplaned to India only to loose :army:

No. But they indeed went to India to study their tactics and hardware.

 

[TomCat111]

Actually IAF had not used the Su-30MKI against the USAF F-15s .They had used the much inferior Su-30 base version

Please share with us the difference between the two.

One of the reasons IAF did not field MKIs was bcoz the USAF declined to bring F-16s.

News Flash! In 2004, IAF had yet to induct the MKIs.

 

[TomCat111]

i dont think so,India's fleet are well maintained and has recieved much better upgradation than any other Migs.

Is that why Indian 21s (workhorse of IAF) are dubbed as the ‘flying coffins’.

Atleast IAF wont burry their planes in sand to escape USAF!!!

In a USAF vs. IAF scenario burring IAF’s hardware would be its best bet. Heck, even in a IDF (Israel) vs. IAF scenario burring India’s hardware would be its best bet.

 

[Keysersoze]

I have an idea lets start another subsection of this thread.

How would the IAF fare against an Imperial star destroyer...(star wars)


It would have as much validity as what you are discussing here.

 

[Awesome]

Well, India's performance would always have validity for Pakistanis.

The USAF bowling underarm for India wasn't objected by India either. That was because they wanted to simulate Pakistan-like conditions.

Of late a lot of things have been over magnified and presented to the media. It's important to humanize supermen once in a while...

 

[Bull]

Is that why Indian 21s (workhorse of IAF) are dubbed as the ‘flying coffins’. :

Please read a bit more and come back.

In a USAF vs. IAF scenario burring IAF’s hardware would be its best bet. Heck, even in a IDF (Israel) vs. IAF scenario burring India’s hardware would be its best bet.

Whatever

 

[TomCat111]

Please read a bit more and come back.

Please humor us……. Whatever……..

 

[Goodperson]

1. The article was published in the Defence Journal.
2. True. They don’t stand a chance against the much technological superior and highly trained USAF.

A. So you think US and IAF go and read Defence Journal after Exercises ?

Please enlighten us how their best planes would have made any difference?

A. India did not use Su30 MKI with US. The Su-30 MKI a highly specialized aircraft. The MKI variant is a much more advanced fighter jet than the basic K and MK variants and is considered a 4.5 generation aircraft. The MKI variant is considered to be the most advanced fighter aircraft of Russian origin in service, except for Su-35.

Aren’t you foolishly stretching the truth wee bit? There is a huge difference between being impressed and awed.

As Bull pointed out it was the first bilateral dissimilar air combat (DACT) exercise between the U.S. Air Force and the Indian air force in more than 40 years.

India had done their homework and learned from thier skills with Indo French exercises codenamed GARUDA held in 2003

For more accurate reading read this http://www.indiadefence.com/COPE.htm
one more http://kuku.sawf.org/Articles/131.aspx
one more http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/exercise-cope-india-vayu.html

Please do not ask me for a pakistani source

How?

Su-30MK Beats F-15C 'Every Time'
http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/comparison-f15-su30-1.html

Why not? Have you flown or studied either JF-17 or the J-10?

Have you studied them against Su-30s if no then compare the specifications and capablities

Please share with us how the MKIs would have changed the equation?

Please read the above replies. Su 30K took part in exercises and had more chances in winning in BVR's SU 30MKI's are well adavanced than Su 30K.

No. But they indeed went to India to study their tactics and hardware.

US hand come for exercises here is quote from Col. Greg Neubeck, deputy commander of operations for the wing’s 3rd Operations Group and exercise director for Cope India.

Neubeck said the service probably needs to “take off the handcuffs that we put on our red air training aids and allow them to be more aggressive and make the red air tougher than we have in the past.”

Although India is a friendly nation, the lesson of Cope India is that almost any nation could surpass the United States’ air combat capability if the Pentagon does not continue to invest in better training and technology, the Elmendorf officials said. At last count, for example, there were over 5,000 MIG-21s active in air forces around the world, Snodgrass said. Even American fighters, such as Boeing’s F-15, are being sold in upgraded versions to countries around the world.


[USAF: Indian Exercises Showed Need For F/A-22, Changes In Training
http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/exercise-iaf-usaf-su30-f15-article01.html]

Is that why Indian 21s (workhorse of IAF) are dubbed as the ‘flying coffins’.

Flying coffin was fancy word said by someone and played by media. The problem was IAF is flying old Mig-21 Airframes beyond their lifespan and training of Pilots for that IAF is acquiring 66 Hawk Jet trainers and upgrading Mig21's.

In a USAF vs. IAF scenario burring IAF’s hardware would be its best bet. Heck, even in a IDF (Israel) vs. IAF scenario burring India’s hardware would be its best bet.

OK India flies junk somehow
Read this article from defencetech
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/000976.html