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Indian Acquisition of Russian Akula

True, they even accepted Rupees instead of dollars for weapons purchases whenever we were short of money.:)

That is one of the reasons they had so much support in India. They helped us out when we needed help.

I still have a lot of respect and admiration for Russia. I am very happy that India still has a very good relation with Russia. But this Gorshkov incident is making me think whether the Russians take India seriously.

As i said before, we are grateful for all the help rendered in the past, but that should not be a reason to take us for granted.
 
That is one of the reasons they had so much support in India. They helped us out when we needed help.

Soviet help to india was much greater than US help to pakistan till the soviet split. We managed to save ourselves after Pokhran I mainly cause of Soviet support.

I still have a lot of respect and admiration for Russia. I am very happy that India still has a very good relation with Russia. But this Gorshkov incident is making me think whether the Russians take India seriously.

One off incidents wont damage relations as much. The biggest problem related to Gorshkov is not coming from the soviet leadership but from the port authorities in Sevmash. Putin personally likes india.

As i said before, we are grateful for all the help rendered in the past, but that should not be a reason to take us for granted.

The same thing is obviously not being repeated by the russians when it comes to other projects like T-90 and also our future upgrade program for the Su-30MKI is proceeding smoothly(read IRBIS), not to mention they are ready to develop a whole new variant of PAKFA to suit our requirements. The first of Russia's most advanced SSBN is being transfered to india without much hiccups(read AKULA II). Even the issue regarding the Klubs were resolved. Only Sevmash is creating obstacles.

Anyways, our relationship has been fruitful.:)
 
Russian-made Akula is the nuclear sub set to join Indian Navy – India rushes for startegic deterrence capabilities
Ratan Sen
Aug. 10, 2008

India is moving fast towards additional nuclear deterrence creating the strategic second and third line of invisible defense infrastructure.

"With nuclear proliferation posing a greater threat along with Weapons of Mass Destruction, our unilateral policy of no-first-use necessitates that India possesses a credible and survivable nuclear deterrent including submarine-launched," Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta says explaining Indian Navy’s strategic goals and aspirations.

Akula nuclear-powered submarine is likely to join service with Indian Navy next year. Indian Navy would use the Russian-made submarine for training in personnel before they get to operate the indigenous nuclear-powered submarine that is under secret construction at the Mazagaon Docks in Mumbai.

"Though it is an operational submarine, Akula will be basically used for training Naval operators before they get to operate our indigenous nuclear-powered submarine," the Navy chief said.

IndiaDaily - Russian-made Akula is the nuclear sub set to join Indian Navy – India rushes for startegic deterrence capabilities

Dear Neo,

Given the scenario that by 2012 Indian Navy will have an ATV and an Akula in the Indian Ocean and a scorpene or two the balance of naval power will shift in their favor. What should Pakistan Navy do to reduce this given the current IMF scenario?

Regards
 
The same thing is obviously not being repeated by the russians when it comes to other projects like T-90 and also our future upgrade program for the Su-30MKI is proceeding smoothly(read IRBIS), not to mention they are ready to develop a whole new variant of PAKFA to suit our requirements. The first of Russia's most advanced SSBN is being transfered to india without much hiccups(read AKULA II). Even the issue regarding the Klubs were resolved. Only Sevmash is creating obstacles.
IRBIS cannot be properly installed in the MKI without a change in the powerplant. The Irbis requires more power to use it optimally, the MKI generates less power. The Irbis is suited to the Su-35 which does not have this issue.

And also, Russia is not creating another variant of PAK-FA as a gift. Its our money that is doing it. Let us not make it sound as a generosity towards us. Their program is being funded half by us, without which it would take much longer to create the Russian T-50.

Anyways, our relationship has been fruitful.:)
Yes it has. But one must be pragmatic for the future.
 
hmmm... Interesting but I did not read any other country's name other than Russia.
 
I dont see the need for mentioning other countries in the article.

This looks like a serious setback.

This won't be their first setback, back in 2000 the Kursk sank killing all 118 onboard. I thought after that tragedy, the Russians would pay more attention to the issue of safety, I guess not.
 
True this raises serious doubts about their safety India would look closely towards this incident.
 


MOSCOW – A new Russian submarine's fire safety system malfunctioned as the nuclear-powered vessel took a test run in the Sea of Japan, suffocating 20 people and sending 21 others to the hospital, officials said Sunday.

It was Russia's worst naval accident since torpedo explosions sank another nuclear-powered submarine, the Kursk, in the Barents Sea in 2000, killing all 118 seamen aboard.

The victims suffocated Saturday after the submarine's fire-extinguishing system accidentally turned on and released Freon gas, said Sergei Markin, an official with Russia's top investigative agency. He said forensic tests found Freon in the victims' lungs.

The submarine itself was not damaged and traveled back to its base on Russia's Pacific coast under its own power Sunday, Russian navy spokesman Capt. Igor Dygalo said.

The nuclear reactor that powers the sub was operating normally and radiation levels in the sub were also normal, Dygalo said. He said the accident affected two sections of the submarine closest to the bow.

Seventeen civilians and three seamen died in the accident and 21 others were hospitalized after being evacuated to a destroyer that brought them to shore, Markin said in a statement, revising earlier casualty figures.

Lev Fyodorov, a top Russian chemical expert, said Freon pushed oxygen out, causing those inside to die of suffocation. He also said the scarce official information was making it difficult to understand exactly what happened on the submarine.

It wasn't immediately clear why personnel affected failed to activate the individual breathing kits they were supposed to have, he said.

Markin's agency has launched a probe into the accident, which he said will focus on what activated the firefighting system and possible violations of operating rules.

The submarine returned to Bolshoi Kamen, a military shipyard and a navy base near Vladivostok. Russian television stations broadcast the footage of the submarine sailing toward the harbor.

Dygalo said the submarine had 208 people aboard, including 81 servicemen, and was to be commissioned by the navy later this year.

Russian news agencies quoted officials at the Amur Shipbuilding Factory as saying the submarine was built there and is called the Nerpa.

Construction of the Nerpa, an Akula II class attack submarine, started in 1991 but was suspended for years because of a shortage of funding, they said. Testing on the submarine began last month and it submerged for the first time last week.

First Deputy Defense Minister Alexander Kolmakov and navy chief Adm. Vladimir Vysotsky were heading for the Pacific Coast in the wake of the accident, Dygalo said.

Saturday's accident came as the Kremlin is seeking to restore Russia's naval reach, part of a drive to show off the nuclear-armed country's clout amid strained ties with the West. A naval squadron is heading to Venezuela for joint exercises this month in a show of force near U.S. waters.

Despite a major boost in military spending during Vladimir Putin's eight years as president, Russia's military is still hampered by decrepit infrastructure, aging weapons and problems with corruption and incompetence.

The Kremlin said President Dmitry Medvedev was told about the accident immediately and ordered a thorough investigation.

Putin, now prime minister, was criticized for his slow response to the Kursk disaster.

In 2003, 11 people also died when a Russian submarine that was being taken out of service sank in the Barents Sea.
 
This is the submarine India planned to lease by mid of next yr with the option of buying it after the lease is over.

Over 300 Indian sailors are undergoing training on this submarines. Is there is any Indian causality?

Its a major setback.
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081110/ap_on_re_eu/eu_russia_submarine

MOSCOW – India's navy was supposed to lease the brand-new Russian nuclear submarine that suffered an accident over the weekend which killed 20 people, news reports said Monday.

An Indian naval spokesman would not comment Monday on leasing this or any submarine from Russia — but his boss has said previously that India was interested.

The Akula-class sub was undergoing trials in the Sea of Japan when its fire-extinguishing system activated in error, spewing Freon gas that suffocated the victims and injured 21 others.

Russia's navy said the submarine itself was not damaged in Saturday's accident and returned to its Pacific coast port Sunday under its own power.

Russia's top business dailies Kommersant and Vedomosti reported Monday that the Nerpa was to be handed over to India's navy next year under a 10-year, $650-million lease.

India previously leased a nuclear-powered submarine from the Soviet Union in 1988-1991, and India's navy chief, Adm. Sureesh Mehta, was quoted as saying that India was negotiating with Moscow to lease two Russian nuclear submarines, the first of which could arrive next year.

Armed with cruise missiles capable of hitting targets 3,000 kilometers (1,860 miles) away, Akula-class subs are considered the quietest and deadliest of Russian attack submarines. A sub of that class could unsettle the military balance of power in Asia, dramatically bolstering India's navy capability as it jockeys with China for influence over energy supply routes in the Indian Ocean.

Phone calls to China's defense and foreign ministries seeking comment rang unanswered Monday night.

Vedomosti quoted an unidentified shipping industries official as saying the sub was intended for India's navy, which has already named it the Chakra.

Indian naval spokesman Cmdr. Nirad Sinha would not confirm whether the Nerpa was to be leased and said no Indians were on board the submarine when the accident occurred.

"It's a Russian submarine, and any concerns are Russian concerns," Sinha told The Associated Press.

Indian news reports said Monday the submarine was to join the southern Asian country's navy in August. The Indian Express newspaper also reported that Indian sailors had been scheduled to head to Russia later this month for on-board training.

Kommersant, meanwhile, quoted an unnamed shipyard official as saying the delivery of the submarine to India, originally set for August 2007, had been postponed twice already.

As investigators tried to determine what activated the firefighting system, Russian naval experts said overcrowding and human errors may have contributed to the accident.

The Nerpa had 208 people aboard when the accident occurred, including 81 seamen, according to the navy. Akula-class subs normally carry a crew of 73.

Retired submarine Capt. Alexander Pokrovsky said in a commentary that sea trials often pose increased safety risks.

Pokrovsky also criticized Freon-based fire-extinguishing systems, saying they are dangerous for the crew and need to be replaced with safer equipment.

Individual breathing kits should have saved the crew, but some former submariners said civilian shipyard workers usually have little experience in using them. Seventeen of those killed in the accident were civilians, the Russian navy said.

"Civilians were supposed to undergo training, but it usually is pretty informal," said Igor Kurdin, who heads an association of former submariners. He speculated the fire system could have been triggered by something as simple as someone smoking a cigarette near a safety gauge.

Some commentators also speculated there might not have been enough individual breathing kits for all those aboard during the test.

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Associated Press writers Ashok Sharma in New Delhi, Mari Yamaguchi in Tokyo, and Charles Hutzler in Beijing contributed to this report.
 
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