India Wont Finally Assemble Su-30MKI Fighters

[Averroes]

India Won’t Finally Assemble Su-30MKI Fighters

Russia’s state exporter of arms, Rosoboronexport, and Indian Defense Ministry have trimmed the execution dates for the biggest military and engineering contract that provides for the licensed assembly of 140 Su-30MKI fighters. Moreover, India has abandoned requirement for complete transfer of the aircraft’s construction to the plants of Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd., inspiring the Russian companies with the hope of earning $350 million in addition on the new terms.

One of these days, Rosoboronexport and Indian Defense Ministry have sealed amendments to the contract of December 2000 that sets forth the licensed assembly of 140 Su-30MKI heavy fighters, sources with the aviation community said.

First of all, the parties curtailed execution dates by three years, drawing nearer the deadline from 2017 to 2014. The contract could be actually closed already in 2012, said representatives of the firms working with Irkut Corporation, which is the general contractor. Moreover, India abandoned the final requirement of the contract that spelled out complete production of Russian fighters at facilities of Indian Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL).

Representatives of Irkut confirmed the transfer of the contract dates but refused to elaborate.

The $3.5-billion contract was made in December 2000. Initially, it committed Irkut Corporation to ensure delivery of Su-30MKI components and to arrange their assembly at HAL facilities by 2017. Twenty six component sets have been supplied to-date.

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[Averroes]

India to get Sukhoi jets ahead of schedule
[ 2 Sep, 2006 0658hrs ISTPTI ]

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MOSCOW: In a move to save costs and speed up delivery of Sukhoi fighter aircraft to Indian Air Force from Russia three-years ahead of schedule, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has scrapped initial plans for full indigenisation of the warplane at its facilities in India, media reports said today.

An agreement signed recently between Russian arms firm Rosoboronexport and Indian Defence Ministry has changed the timeframe of the completion of USD 3.5 billion contract for the licensed production of 140Su-30MKI fighters by HAL, 'Kommersant' daily said.

The original Sukhoi license production deal signed in December 2000 ,the largest single Indo-Russian defence contract in 40 years, had provision for full indigenisation of the multi-role fighter planes at HAL facilities in India and last of the 140 Su-30MKI was to be delivered in 2017.

The amendments in the initial deal provide for the completion of delivery of 140 fighters in 2014 three years ahead of schedule with India declining to shift the whole production cycle to HAL facilities as the cost of the indigenously-produced fighter would have doubled, it said.

Russia, which has so far supplied 26 kits to HAL for the assembly of Su-30MKI, would earn an additional USD 350 million through the supply of components by its companies, which otherwise would have been produced by HAL.

Sources in Russian supplier of Su-30MKI fighters Irkut Corporation have said that the deal could be closed even by 2012.

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[TexasJohn]

Whew! someone finally woke up at the MOD. The Indian made jets were far more expensive, and slower getting out of the production line. Other than National pride, it made no sense at all.

 

[sigatoka]

Whew! someone finally woke up at the MOD. The Indian made jets were far more expensive, and slower getting out of the production line. Other than National pride, it made no sense at all.

1. This is a very sad day for India's military industry, the question is why were they so slow. The authorities shouldnt have stopped production but instead investigated the poor performance.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Nothing for India to feel sad about.

It is better to buy off the shelf if that is cheaper and cost effective.

Technological transfers and licenced production are the best so that the designs and manufacturing process and the assembly configuration can be studied.

 

[Awesome]

Nothing for India to feel sad about.

It is better to buy off the shelf if that is cheaper and cost effective.

Technological transfers and licenced production are the best so that the designs and manufacturing process and the assembly configuration can be studied.

Yes it's better to do that today...

"We'd deal with tomorrow, tomorrow".

 

[sigatoka]

licenced production are the best so that the designs and manufacturing process and the assembly configuration can be studied.

If im not mistaken this was licenced production Salim? Or have i missed something. Heads must roll in the Indian military production sector because it is unacceptable that with their budget, the number of scientists they employ that India's production of Aircraft and military equipment is not much better than Pak. and Iran which have far lower budgets.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

If im not mistaken this was licenced production Salim? Or have i missed something. Heads must roll in the Indian military production sector because it is unacceptable that with their budget, the number of scientists they employ that India's production of Aircraft and military equipment is not much better than Pak. and Iran which have far lower budgets.

I was talking in a general way.

It is my opinion and so it is not sacrosant.

It is like what happened yesterday. I attend a Moslem friend's son's marraige reception at a leading hotel here.

I ate the biryani and some 'galauti' kebobs. It was delicious! It was prepared by Moslem cooks. I sure can't have these at home even though my wife can prepare both, but never of this standard.

So, if I can afford it and if I want them again, then what's the harm in going to that hotel and paying with an arm and a limb to eat it?

and if the cooks teach you and the also give the specialised utensils on payment, it is even better.

It would be galauti, galauti all the way, every day.......and at home!

 

[sigatoka]

1. It is like what happened yesterday. I attend a Moslem friend's son's marraige reception at a leading hotel here. I ate the biryani and some 'galauti' kebobs. It was delicious! It was prepared by Moslem cooks. I sure can't have these at home even though my wife can prepare both, but never of this standard. So, if I can afford it and if I want them again, then what's the harm in going to that hotel and paying with an arm and a limb to eat it?and if the cooks teach you and the also give the specialised utensils on payment, it is even better.It would be galauti, galauti all the way, every day.......and at home!

1. I understand what your saying Salim in relation to the great gains from trade. The russians are damn good at making jets at low prices, much better than India is. However, if India has decided to go along the Saudi route and source most of its equipment from overseas, then we should see a large cut in the massive R&D budgets now.

Its not just that Salim, its the fact that all the major projects have ended in failure. There has to be accountability.

 

[blain2]

My take is that although problems arise for all third world countries involved in R&D and defence production, Indian MoD and the affiliates like DRDO typically chew on a lot more than they can swallow. There is an inherent Indian pride that gets in the way of practicality.

Pakistan for sure also has similar problems but typically looks to do things from a solutions-oriented approach where the individual components do not need to be Pakistani (we forgo the national pride gladly preferring to have something workable and functional), but the overall weapon system pans out ok with our assembly, improvisation and enhancements. Obviously nothing is perfect, but given the Indo-Pakistani scenario, the systems usually are effective enough to play their role in the overall deterrance strategy.

I am fully aware that there is a difference in the industrial depth of the two countries here, but in the past decade or so, both have been working at getting mostly rudimentary defence equipment out to the units (like tanks (not very advanced, but fairly advanced) and combat aircraft (can't really compare JF-17 and LCA to anything else Russian or of western origin as there isn't really another aircraft in this class with a similar price tag etc.). On the count, I think Pakistani efforts have been a bit more successful than the Indian ones due to the fact that we have continously taken baby steps and are not bothered if getting foreign expertise is needed.

So while Pakistan may not be able to stamp a product with a 100% Pakistani label...we do end up with fairly functional products..(now some call it painting our flag or whatever, but in essense a lot of the projects undertaken by the Indian defence industry also fall under the broad catagory of "assembly" which is what Pakistan is also doing for tanks and aircraft (MFI-17, SuperMushak, K-8 and eventually JF-17).

The Indian decision to no longer go ahead with the assembly of the MKIs to me is another indication that those who agreed upon it did not appreciate the capacity or the knowhow in house.

 

[TexasJohn]

I was talking in a general way.

It is my opinion and so it is not sacrosant.

It is like what happened yesterday. I attend a Moslem friend's son's marraige reception at a leading hotel here.

I ate the biryani and some 'galauti' kebobs. It was delicious! It was prepared by Moslem cooks. I sure can't have these at home even though my wife can prepare both, but never of this standard.

So, if I can afford it and if I want them again, then what's the harm in going to that hotel and paying with an arm and a limb to eat it?

and if the cooks teach you and the also give the specialised utensils on payment, it is even better.

It would be galauti, galauti all the way, every day.......and at home!

OMG Salim I have not eaten galauti kebobs in 27 years!!!!yumm....

 

[TexasJohn]

Yes it's better to do that today...

"We'd deal with tomorrow, tomorrow".

What powers the US defense industry is private defense companies, who are allowed research budgets by the Govt. based on performance. If they don't perform, the funds are cut.

Something like that should keep DRDO honest. They also need to have more Indians and fewer Chiefs!

If the Indian Govt ever became "performance based" instead of "babu based" there is hope.

 

[SBD-3]

1. This is a very sad day for India's military industry, the question is why were they so slow. The authorities shouldnt have stopped production but instead investigated the poor performance.

Ya another shock to HAL after LCA guess it takes HAL on Hat trick

 

[Keysersoze]

This is a three year old thread why did you feel a need to re-open it?