India will be a Hindu nation by 2020, world by 2030: VHP’s Ashok Singhal

[coffee_cup]

Yes. i am saying that. The Babri demolition was not in this category. That mosque was not used by any Muslim for prayers. It was built by a barbaric Muslim ruler by destroying our most sacred place .

How would you react if tomorrow RSS destroys Mecca and Medina and builds Ram Temple their?

Nobody is forcing anyone. There is a reason why BJP wants to stop religious conversion but likes of you and Christian Evangelists are stopping it.

For centuries Muslims forcefully converted us (including your forefathers who once were Hindus) and now that we are welcoming those who want to revert back.... suddenly its all bad. Fail Logic this.

If you want to blatantly lie by saying:

that extremist hindus have never beheaded people

nor have they bombed trains or mosques

nor have they destroyed churches, mosques or sikh emples

nor have they lynched people publicly

nor have they forcefully convert minorities

Then there is no point in discussing further with you. Because you have chosen to live in denial and in such cases only psychologists can help you or doppelganger.

 

[doppelganger]

Are hundreds of thousands hindus working in UAE being lynched?
Are they being lynched in Qatar, Oman, Bahrain, Kuwait?
Is a genocide against Hindus taking place in Malaysia?
Is a genocide against Hindus taking placein Indonesia?
Is a genocide against Hindus and Christians taking place in Turkey?
Is there a genocide of Hindus, Christians in Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan?
Are minorities being lynched in Albania, Morocco, Tunisia?

So you asked for one Muslims country and I have posted not one but more than ten times.

Now what next?

If you make a statement like "200 million muslims living peacefully and happily among 1 billion hindus", we can say the same way that few hundred thousand hindus are living peacefully and happily among 190 million Muslims in Pakistan.

Some facts:

1) You will never find a secular Muslim country. It will always be Islamic something. Why?

2) The trend in Muslim countries is for minorities to magically be marginalized to some miniscule percentage of the overall population.

I don't know how that happens. Do non Muslims stop having babies suddenly? Or cannot have babies?
Do they leave and go elsewhere? Why? Do they convert? Why? Under what circumstances?

So really, there's little in the way of a threat from such to keep these populations occupied. Which is why there is a ton of Muslim or Muslim bloodletting.

We have neither. We have a massive Muslim population. And we more often than not have very little to no Hindu on Hindu bloodletting. And we are secular. Because we are Hindu. If we were Christian or Muslim, such would not have been the case. So I think its a matter of great pride for all of us to celebrate our Hinduness. Our oneness. Our Hindutva.

 

[Spring Onion]

Not happening. India is resilient, such fools may bark every now and then but sooner or later they will be go back to the caves where they come from.

Well for a moment lets believe what they say . So once these Hindu groups succeed in converting all the Christians and Muslims to Hinduisim then what ?

Are they going to live peacefully sans any communal riots with each other?

In my personal opinion NO they wont. There would be ethnic, cast based etc etc hatred the way it is now.

the communal bloodshed would continue

 

[jamahir]

Tons more. Relief efforts across the country. No Hindu or Muslim. For us all of us are Hindu. And we are respected as such, as can be seen from the last photo.

thanks for taking the time to find the photos on my request.

now, these pics prove my second point... rss was doing this "service" in uniform for, (a). physical power projection, (b). missionary activity during natural crisis and in this they learnt from tableeghi jamaat, (c). demonstration of their existence in india and being supported/accepted by the establishment even in times of flood.

what about the nepal earthquake?? the natural event, earthquake, brought down old and well-visited temples within seconds... temples form the basis of rss ideology and yet its cadre or leadership did not stop to think the futility of their ideology ( helplessness in face of nature's power ) and renounce their ideology to become progressive/socialist

 

[doppelganger]

Well for a moment lets believe what they say . So once these Hindu groups succeed in converting all the Christians and Muslims to Hinduisim then what ?

Are they going to live peacefully sans any communal riots with each other?

In my personal opinion NO they wont. There would be ethnic, cast based etc etc hatred the way it is now.

the communal bloodshed would continue

As is happening in Pakistan today, now that the Hindus, Sardars, Christians, Ahmediyas, and slowly the Shias have been and are being taken care of baaji?

The script sounds familiar. Thankfully we've never seen eye to eye on anything?

thanks for taking the time to find the photos on my request.

now, these pics prove my second point... rss was doing this "service" in uniform for, (a). physical power projection, (b). missionary activity during natural crisis and in this they learnt from tableeghi jamaat, (c). demonstration of their existence in india and being supported/accepted by the establishment even in times of flood.

what about the nepal earthquake?? the natural event, earthquake, brought down old and well-visited temples within seconds... temples form the basis of rss ideology and yet its cadre or leadership did not stop to think the futility of their ideology ( helplessness in face of nature's power ) and renounce their ideology to become progressive/socialist

RSS was there also man (Nepal). Please read. How could we not? Nepal is as Hindu as we are. More in fact as they do not have the baggage of this secular nonsense.

And we will always have our latth and khaki shorts. Its part of our identity. Also helps in organization and logistics and to maintain the sense of brotherhood and equality across cadre ranks (everyone wears the same, there are no special epaulettes or colors or ribbons for seniors).

 

[jamahir]

we can understand the extremist Hindus will forcefully convert Muslims and Christians to Hinduism by 2020 but what is their plan to make it world Hindu nation?

except for hippies, there are not takers for what rss and vhp offer... these two groups don't really have a universal outlook nor do they offer solutions to the political and economic problems of humanity.

there won't be any elon musk or che guevara or gaddafi from the ranks of rss and vhp... for them, india is a "holy land" and the reason is no one knows about them outside or respects them one bit.

 

[coffee_cup]

Some facts:

1) You will never find a secular Muslim country. It will always be Islamic something. Why?

2) The trend in Muslim countries is for minorities to magically be marginalized to some miniscule percentage of the overall population.

I don't know how that happens. Do non Muslims stop having babies suddenly? Or cannot have babies?
Do they leave and go elsewhere? Why? Do they convert? Why? Under what circumstances?

So really, there's little in the way of a threat from such to keep these populations occupied. Which is why there is a ton of Muslim or Muslim bloodletting.

We have neither. We have a massive Muslim population. And we more often than not have very little to no Hindu on Hindu bloodletting. And we are secular. Because we are Hindu. If we were Christian or Muslim, such would not have been the case. So I think its a matter of great pride for all of us to celebrate our Hinduness. Our oneness. Our Hindutva.

First of all, India is a secular country only on paper, in practice it is anything but secular, where extremist hindus like yourself are trying to enforce their ideas upon minorities.

Second, now don't beat around the bush, you asked me to give you an example of a Muslim country where minorites were living peacefully and I have given you more than 15.

Have some decency and accept that minorities in majority of Muslim countries are living much more peacefully than they are in India.
Have a decency and accept that

 

[doppelganger]

except for hippies, there are not takers for what rss and vhp offer... these two groups don't really have a universal outlook nor do they offer solutions to the political and economic problems of humanity.

there won't be any elon musk or che guevara or gaddafi from the ranks of rss and vhp... for them, india is a "holy land" and the reason is no one knows about them outside or respects them one bit.

India is enough.

India has always been enough.

The world used to come to India. It will again.

First of all, India is a secular country only on paper, in practice it is anything but secular, where extremist hindus like yourself are trying to enforce their ideas upon minorities.

Second, now don't beat around the bush, you asked me to give you an example of a Muslim country where minorites were living peacefully and I have given you more than 15.

Have some decency and accept that minorities in majority of Muslim countries are living much more peacefully than they are in India.
Have a decency and accept that

I've stated facts, in response to your examples. Please feel free to rebut? Why vitiate the discussion (a nice one) by questioning another member's decency and calling him an extremist?

 

[Tridibans]

many current mullah types have said similar stories, but truth is you and them had no objections from the beginning to the reactionaries... you were hardly a committed socialist.



you bring in my name but i have seen your ram profile-picture from the time i saw your user-name.



your "well educated" circle would be ill-educated in my understanding... they will be some software engineer or mba type, one who depends on the whims of western companies for their bread and butter.

your circle would laugh at people like me who talk of starting employee unions even though in a extremely capitalist society like india, unions are needed, especially in the software/services sector, to protect the rights of the workers... your circle is not really concerned about welfare of others or concerned about the world in general.



those atheist were never really atheist, after all they love rss and its propagation of 330 million gods and goddesses... those "atheists" are simply anti-islam, anti-christianity and anti-communism/socialism, even if they are members with names like @Marxist and @NKVD .

Just 2 points.... Because I don't want to fight with you...

1) You assume anyone who supports BJP as anti-Muslim and RSS supporters. Infact, For the likes of you, anyone who is against your point of view is a Muslim Hater. So what are we supposed to do? Agree with you all the time?

Its like any Hindus (eg. Modi) is coommunal if he doen't wears a skull cap and goes to Iftar party. But Muslims are all secular but still won't put tika on their foreheads and target our gods like what you did in your post.

2) No. Not necessarily all Hindus support BJP. Their are many atheists/ Christians/ Muslims who don't have problems with Modi. Because for them not everything is religion.


PS: By friends like @jamahir I meant people similar to you and not you "literally".

 

[jamahir]

RSS was there also man (Nepal). Please read. How could we not?

i did not deny that... i was saying that they did not stand among the destroyed buildings, realize the futility of it all and renounce like ashoka did.

The world used to come to India. It will again.

why??

 

[doppelganger]

and target our gods like what you did in your post.

I agree. Jamahir slipped into more familiar communal norms with his ghanta and 3 million Gods dig.

Out of character I must admit.

 

[Tridibans]

@coffee_cup Then don't discuss and leave this thread. Your valued inputs are necessary in your own country where ebven after being created for Muslims, Muslim themselves are killing more Muslims unlike Bad/ Hindutva India where hardly 5-10 Muslims die due to riots every year (includes Hindus who are killed too).

@jamahir

Reported your post.

See this is exactly my point. If we say anything either fatwas are issued or guys do suicide bombings like in Syria/ Paris shooting ..... but you can insult our gods and beliefs and still claim to be secular.

 

[doppelganger]

i did not deny that... i was saying that they did not stand among the destroyed buildings, realize the futility of it all and renounce like ashoka did.

Do you think only Christians and Muslims are fanatical in their faith and beliefs?

I have news for you. We've been around a whole lot longer. And we're still around, and in sizeable numbers. Without conversions. Purely on the dint of our own loins and wombs.

why??

Because we will make it. Hope to see you pull your own weight alongside.

 

[coffee_cup]

@coffee_cup Then don't discuss and leave this thread. Your valued inputs are necessary in your own country where ebven after being created for Muslims, Muslim themselves are killing more Muslims unlike Bad/ Hindutva India where hardly 5-10 Muslims die due to riots every year (includes Hindus who are killed too).

Yes, we are well aware of the number of innocent people being killed as a result of Indian sponsored cross-border terrorism in our country, but surely and steadily it is coming back to normal after we are taking care of your proxy TTP, BLA etc.

The main cause of trouble in the region are fanatics - both Muslim Jihadis and Hindu Jihadis.

The extremist ideology always starts with:

"my faith is right and everyone else must accept it. There is no other option".

The extremists in your country have overtaken the govt and now have become a major cause of trouble in an already volatile region.

 

[doppelganger]

The extremists in your country have overtaken the govt and now have become a major cause of trouble in an already volatile region.

Look on the positive side. Nature loves equilibrium.

Till now we only had your extremists fouling the atmosphere in the region. Our pacifists making a hash of things.

Now we have our own extremists to counter yours. Balance should come much easier, less painfully.