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India warns Bangladesh not to shoot at Indian side

Ninety per cent of Bangladeshi deaths occur when BSF are the only ones doing the shooting. Indian deaths happen usually in crossfire but are never specifically targeted by BDR.

BSF should be more vigilant guarding the borders and its been doing shoddy job evidenced from the pouring in of BDeshis(so apt) and change of demographic in border areas till now.

My cousin works as a senior manager in UBI, Malda,WB .
Las time he visited us ,my sister in law told us that town was now filled with more than 50% BDeshis .No wonder we have some Bdeshi members who salivate at the thought of greater Bangladesh here on this forum.
 
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Ninety per cent of Bangladeshi deaths occur when BSF are the only ones doing the shooting. Indian deaths happen usually in crossfire but are never specifically targeted by BDR.

Yeah why not...after all it is the army of the pure versus the army of the kaafirs!

Ninety percent...woooww..you being doing surveys in border areas all this time?
 
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Yeah why not...after all it is the army of the pure versus the army of the kaafirs!

Ninety percent...woooww..you being doing surveys in border areas all this time?


Why do you Indians always have to make everything a religious issue? I have not said anything concerning religion on this thread or any other but you Indians bring up Jihad, kafirs and what not. It is you Indians that are fanatics.
 
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Why do you Indians always have to make everything a religious issue? I have not said anything concerning religion on this thread or any other but you Indians bring up Jihad, kafirs and what not. It is you Indians that are fanatics.

Somewhere deep inside your heart it is my dear friends..it is.
 
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Somewhere a bangladeshi member has posted a news that india is going to deploy eunuchs on indo-bangla border.

If BDR continues with their propoganda, I think our govt. will go one step further and take away the INSAS from BSF and give them bamboo sticks.

Good work BD brothers. Keep it up.
 
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The Pilkhana Massacre:An act of revenge and a foreign-inspired commando operation

Mar 2, 2009 at 2:49 AM

By Dr. K. M. A. Malik

As the extent of mayhem perpetrated on the army officers in the confines of BDR headquarters at Peelkhana grounds is being revealed, the whole nation is terribly shocked and scared of its potential consequences. While it is still too early to get a complete picture of what actually happened there on February 25-26, it is quite clear that large numbers of armed BDR solders not only rebelled against their lawful commanding officers (deputed from the army) but they also carried out a most gruesome murder campaign in cold blood. According to a pres report as many as 135 army officers were killed or missing in the two-day mayhem ('Open skies' yet to find takers | Bangladesh | bdnews24.com, March 1, 2009). We condemn these acts of barbarity in strongest terms and convey our wholehearted sympathy to the family and friends of the victims.
At the time of writing this essay (22.00 GMT, March 1), the nation is still in a state of shock and mourning. The rebellion has been quelled with many rebels in detention and others being asked to report for duty. Obviously it would take few days for some sort of normalcy to return. The exact numbers of those detained or who have reported back for duty are not yet known. We shall get a clearer picture in the next few days.

Meanwhile, many questions are being raised about the Peelkhana massacre and the masterminds behind the tragedy. The government has claimed success in bringing an end to the uprising and disarming the rebels ‘peacefully’, but others have criticised it for unnecessary delay which allowed the killers and most BDR soldiers to escape before the army could move into Peelkhana.

The BDR soldiers on duty at the border posts, who were initially reported to have deserted on the rebellion at their Dhaka Headquarters, appear to have, by now, calmed down and returning to duties, preventing a total collapse of security at the border. And in these efforts, one should appreciate the role of the army which has shown tremendous courage and restraint in taking any immediate retaliatory actions against the rebel BDR soldiers. The army should also be thanked for not defying the authority of the lawful civilian government. There were apprehensions in public mind that the army might take over, but this did not happen. The country has been spared another spell of undemocratic military rule.

It is good to see that other political leaders including the leader of main opposition BNP have condemned the BDR rebellion and murder of army officers on the Peelkhana ground. They have also offered all cooperation needed by the government to conduct a thorough enquiry into this tragic event for the sake of truth and revealing the facts before the nation so that the renegade soldiers and their accomplices may be exposed and punished. Although the BNP leader Khaleda Zia made a mild criticism about the delay in government response to the rebellion on February 25, she was unequivocal in supporting the government and army efforts in suppressing the revolt. But she was immediately criticised by some BAL leaders for not being quick enough to condemn the killers! (It is perhaps in our national culture to give more emphasis on smaller bits rather on looking a problem from a bigger perspective).

The government has already initiated an investigation process headed by home minister Sahara Khatun with representatives from other concerned ministries and agencies. The Sahara Committee is expected to submit a report within a week. It is also expected that the armed forces, BDR and different intelligence agencies will carry out their own investigations. While we have had the bad experience of many important investigations being conducted unprofessionally and hiding many unpleasant truths, we do hope that all the enquiries and investigations related to the BDR revolt would be carried out professionally and completely to unravel the truth and identify the real culprits. It is also important that the government make public the salient points of the reports so that our people can restore their faith in the process of democratic governance. And under no circumstances, they would hide any failure or negligence on the part of any state organs or powerful quarters whether local or foreign.

At the initial stage, the Peelkhana massacre looked like the wild actions by some disgruntled BDR soldiers who were dissatisfied with their service conditions and alleged ill-treatment by commanding officers from the army ranks. However, it is quite clear by now that the massacre is not the instantaneous action of few individuals bent on taking revenge on their alleged ‘corrupt’ and ‘oppressive’ commanders but the result of a sophisticated ‘commando operation’ executed by the agents of powerful conspirators to destabilise Bangladesh as a state and demobilise its defence and security branches. Sowing seeds of confusion, mistrust, panic and hatred among different branches of state organs especially the armed forces and the border security forces as well as among the general public appear to be the immediate aim of this anti-Bangladesh operation. The long-term objectives were and still remain to push the country towards a civil war situation, to cripple its own defence capabilities and create another ‘Somalia’ or ‘D R Congo’, to make it ungovernable without physical and financial support of the self-proclaimed ‘international’ or ‘regional’ imperialists and hegemonists. In other words, cripple Bangladesh by all possible means so that at one stage it is forced to ‘invite foreign saviours’.

It should be noted that both the government and opposition political leaders are agreed on the point that there is a deep rooted conspiracy behind the Pilkhana massacre. But who are the conspirators with such a hostile design on Bangladesh? Who are the people to profit from a ‘dysfunctional government’ or ‘failed state’ of Bangladesh? Would they ever be identified and exposed to our people and to the world?

While the whole country is passing through a terrible shock and trying to recover from the trauma, it is quite disheartening to observe that some Indian quarters and their Bangladeshi cohorts are carrying out a campaign of ‘rumors’ and ‘unsubstantiated news’ regarding the Peelkhana tragedy.

As soon as the news of the BDR revolt started to filter out of Pilkhana, a New Delhi based news agency CNN-IBN carried a ‘story’ about the involvement of some opposition political parties including Bangladesh Jamat-e-Islami in the revolt. Similar ‘stories’ were also carried in the pro-BJP Bangla daily ‘Anandabazar Potrika’ of Kolkata. During the last five days, about twenty such ‘news’ items and articles have been published in different Indian media outlets. Anandabazar Potrika reported on March 1, that the army wants the prime minister to implicate several politicians including Moudud Ahmed (BNP) and Jahangir Kabir Nanak, MP (BAL, State Minister, LGRD) and Mirza Azam MP (BAL, Chief Whip) as associates of the BDR rebels. We can not be sure at this stage if this sort of ‘news’ is true or false, but the question arises: how the Anandabazar journalists ‘know’ so much inside information that even the Dhaka journalists do not know?

Clearly one group of people are suggesting that the Peelkhana massacre has been planned and executed by Jamat-e-Islami or similar ‘Islamist’ groups with active support of a section of Bangladesh security services including the army and DGFI. The main ‘argument’ is that these groups are opposed to BAL’s ‘secularism’ and proposed trial of the ‘war criminals’. One Indian security analyst, B. Raman, Director, Institute For Topical Studies, Chennai, has alleged that BDR has ‘unfriendly attitude’ towards India and that many of them have links with ‘fundamentalist and jihadi elements’ (Bad Omens From Bangladesh, February 27, 2009).

Mr. Raman has also alleged that BDR killed 15 Indian BSF in 2001 (Sheikh Hasina was also the prime minister then) wrongfully and mutilated their bodies, but did not mention that the BSF forces, as aggressors, tried to physically occupy some Bangladesh lands and those BSF members killed were several miles inside Bangladesh border. I wrote two newspaper articles at that time exposing the nature of Indian hypocrisy and aggression towards Bangladesh, which were subsequently included in my book ‘Bangladesher Rajniti : Mookh O Mookhosh’. I also exposed the anti-Bangladesh nature of a section of our media and ‘intellectuals’ who condemned the defending BDR forces and their commander Maj. Gen. Fazlur Rahman and supported the Indian aggressors. It is very unfortunate that Bangladesh is perhaps the only country in the world where some influential media and public figures always condemn their own government, army and security forces (even if they do it right) and find no fault in the actions of Indian government and BSF (even if they are wrong). Some of these misguided elements and agents have even written newspaper articles arguing that ‘Bangladesh does not need any army’. One well known pro-Indian columnist based in London was reported last year to have said in a meeting of ‘Bangladesh Hindu Buddha Christian Unity Council’ (a R&AW inspired anti-Bangladesh, anti-Muslim outfit) in New York that they should wage ‘armed struggle’ to realize their demands!

So it is only natural that the Indian hegemonists and their Bangladeshi agents and supporters would try to blame those political parties and leaders who oppose the ‘Great Indian Game Design’ for the some political parties including Jamat-i-Islami and BNP, who are opposed to various Indian attempts to reduce Bangladesh as a client state.

I do not wish to say the some ‘Islamist’ groups may not be involved in the BDR massacre. But as far as we know these groups have mostly been subdued already by Bangladesh security forces. The remnants are still there, but would any body believe, unless concrete evidences are provided, that they have the motives and extreme military precision required for such an operation? It is also true that BNP is politically opposed to BAL and many of its pro-Indian policies, but what would they gain by destroying BDR, the first line of Bangladesh defence along the border? BAL propagandists have always tried to gain political points by portraying BNP as an Uttor Para (or Dhaka cantonment) supported party, due to the fact that BNP has stood for a strong defence force. Is there any reason for this party to hatch conspiracy and incite violence within BDR so that about 130 mid ranking officers of Bangladesh army and defenders of country’s territorial integrity and sovereignty would be brutally killed? Is Khlaeda Zia or even Moudud Ahmed so naïve that they do not understand the implications of such a dangerous plot to destroy Bangladesh defence forces?

It is now revealed by eye-witness account of a surviving army officer that the murder campaign was initiated by a group of about 12-14 young people who arrived at the Pilkhana Durbar Hall in an arms loaded pick-up van NOT belonging to the BDR. It is also clear the whole episode of the officers’ massacre was completed in about 1-2 hours and that delaying tactics were then adopted to bury or hide most of the dead bodies and for the ring leaders to escape. There are of course hundreds of questions that need answers for proper investigations, but the central question is the true identity of the above gang of assassins. Were any or all of them BDR soldiers or a ‘commando group’ trained and operated by an external agency like R&AW or MOSSAD? There is little doubt that this group is the core of the murderous operation and that it carried out its assigned task very successfully. This was no ordinary operation; it must have been carried out by a highly trained, professional group as portrayed in many Hollywood films. If we assume that it was an ‘outside job’, then it would be wrong to exclude R&AW and/or MOSSAD as possible masterminds of this operation. Both these organizations have the motives, conspiratorial, organisational and technical capabilities and resources for this type of commando operation. They also have the past experience of planning and executing ‘commando operations’ in other countries. Bangladesh is an easy target for them, because there is no shortage of local accomplices in exchange of money or other ‘benefits’.

According to a report in the Telegraph (Calcutta), the Indian government is ready to send ‘peace-keepers’ into Bangladesh if the government requests for such‘help’ (The Telegraph - Calcutta (Kolkata) | Frontpage | Indian peace mission signal, February 27, 2009). This sort of Indian offer for ‘help’ looks suspicious since Bangladesh does not need any help from Indian military to solve its internal problems. It is also strange that despite the US support to Hasina government’s handling of the Pilkhana crisis, one Indian report suggests that ‘the US too is encouraging India to play a “stabilising role” in the region’ (The Telegraph - Calcutta (Kolkata) | Frontpage | Dhaka disarm request to Delhi Eye on rebels on the run, March 1, 2009). Obviously, some media people in India think that Bangladesh is ripe for their military intervention.. But nothing can be further from the truth. Indian military forces are not welcome in Bangladesh under any pretext and any such adventurous move (even if any government is stupid enough to request for such Indian ‘help’) will be resisted by our people. We are aware of the Indian ‘peace-keeping’ role in Sri Lanka.

In conclusion, we hope that Bangladesh authorities (both civil and military) would carry out thorough investigations into the whole conspiracy against the country’s sovereign existence (not only against the BAL government as some quarters want us to believe or against the army). It is a crime against Bangladesh itself, and should be treated as such. The investigations must be based on concrete evidences and facts, to find out the truth, to expose the traitors, foreign agents and infiltrators (even if some of them are powerful), and to punish the culprits. No conclusions should be to drawn to fit into some pre-conceived hypothesis or on the ‘advice’ of some foreign agencies. We do not want any ‘show trial’ as happened in the past, but a genuine dispensation of justice.

(Cardiff, March 1, 2009)

[Dr. K. M. A. Malik is a former Professor of Chemistry, Dhaka University, and a Lecturer in Chemistry, Cardiff University (UK). He has published about 370 research papers in chemistry journals. As a freelance columnist, he also writes regularly on contemporary political and social issues. His published books include: Challenges in Bangladesh Politics – a Londoner’s view (2005); War on Terror – A pretext for new colonisation (2005), and Bangladesher Rajniti - Mookh O Mookhosh (2003).
 
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The BDR Massacre in Bangladesh
Thursday, 02 April 2009 10:20 Adnan Khan
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There are three points that we need to keep in mind: What did mutiny achieve? Who benefits? As well as the timing.

The answer to the first question can be found in the actual events that took place. - the BDR has been destroyed, its chain of command has been completely ruined. The Army has lost some of its most capable officers and it has been dealt a severe blow. It will take a long time to rebuild the BDR and for the Army to recover.

There is only one external force that benefits from all this - India. The weakening the defence forces of Bangladesh has been a long term Indian plan and she has tried to do this on many occasions in the past. Secondly the BDR protects the Bangladesh border from the Indian border forces (BSF). India has always viewed this as a problem. One former senior Indian intelligence official B Raman wrote a column in the magazine ‘Outlook' on 27 February, 2009 where he said BDR's anti- Indian stance is an obstacle to Indian-Bangladesh relationship. The BDR is trained by the Army because of which has resulted in the BDR becoming a very capable force that does the its job very well to the point that the BSF fear BDR. There are many incidents of clashes between the two forces where the BSF simply fled from the fight. Therefore weakening or even destroying the BDR leaves the Bangladesh border unprotected from the Indian BSF aggression. Thirdly as a Muslim country, the armed forces of Bangladesh are always viewed as a security threat by India. The BDR massacre has severely harmed the Bangladesh military.

We should also consider the Indian response during and after the incident. The BSF sent SMS messages during the rebellion to soldiers in the BDR assuring them of assistance. The Indian media launched a frenzied attack on Islamic militants for apparently carrying out the mutiny and the Bangladesh opposition parties also jumped on this to malign the Islamic groups. The Indian Army and air force was kept ready for assisting the Hasina's government; not in dealing with the mutiny (the Bangladesh Army is capable of doing that) rather to save the government in case of any threats to its existence. And now the Indian government is making statements that the Hasina government has their full backing and they will not sit idly, if there are any threats from events, post mutiny.

The Indian magazine ‘Outlook' reported that Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukharjee said in a closed door meeting of Congress leaders that "... in the current scenario, India is ready to provide any help to Bangladesh ...I want to send strong warnings to those who are trying to destabilize Sheikh Hasina's government that if they continue to do this, India will not remain silent, if necessary, India will directly intervene." In other words the Indian political leadership is prepared for the fallout of the incident. It seems that India wants Sheikh Hasina to reform and restructure BDR after the 25th February incident. India has attempted in the past to create a Joint Task force which would undermine Bangladesh's independence.

As for the timing, at present with the Hasina government in power they found a favourable moment to execute their plan. They found internal forces that will assist them in organizing the event and more importantly their future plans regarding the re-structuring of the BDR and the Army.

With the rise of China and India in the region and the interference of the US in the region in recent years Bangladesh has gained strategic importance in terms of regional geo-politics. Right now in the aftermath of the BDR incident all the imperialist powers are undertaking efforts to advance their interests. The US, the British, and the Indians - all are conspiring for control over the Bangladesh Army.

India for long has wanted the Bangladeshi leadership to accept their demands that including a transit route facilities and joint task force as well as Indian gas export.

After the BDR incident Hasina visited the Dhaka Army HQ and meet over 2000 officers. The recording of the meeting is now circulating on the internet. The message that she carried back was that she could no longer trust Bangladesh armed forces neither could she at the same time earn their respect. The Army has setup a parallel investigation to the one setup by the Government further confirming the mistrust between the government and the Army. Under such a situation Hasina invited foreign forces to come in to tame and establish full control over the Bangladesh armed forces, intelligence agencies and all other law enforcing forces under the pretext of restructuring, modernization etc.

Accordingly just after her visit to the Dhaka Army HQ she convened an urgent session of Parliament to discuss the present crisis facing the nation. In her speech she openly sought all out help and assistance from America, Britain, UN and other agencies to come in to restructure and reorganize the untrustworthy armed forces and all other law enforcing forces of Bangladesh including intelligence agencies fighting against terror. However, the fact remains that such a national betrayal is just to secure herself and her Government being dependent on the forces of the foreign masters.

The BDR Massacre in Bangladesh
 
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Pressure tactics . After BDR is taking note of BSF terrorism, and raised voice against this Indian terrorism so India decided to play a victim card.


GO BDR just shoot not in direction of India but in all directions of India
 
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Look at the casualty figures moron. They are all publicly available. ODHIKAR has dozens of reports on border killings.

Odhikar is a bangladeshi organisation..I have given you Indian link and you said its once sided..Then why what make you think Odhikar is not sided??get some neutral links ok..then talk.
 
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Pressure tactics . After BDR is taking note of BSF terrorism, and raised voice against this Indian terrorism so India decided to play a victim card.


GO BDR just shoot not in direction of India but in all directions of India

BDR is totally a frustrated force!!! Thats why they killed all of its senior officers including BDR chief and army officers as well.

They can do everything for money. Along border you give money to BDR, you can smuggle drugs, gold and even men/women. :devil:
 
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Pressure tactics . After BDR is taking note of BSF terrorism, and raised voice against this Indian terrorism so India decided to play a victim card.


GO BDR just shoot not in direction of India but in all directions of India

Lolz you are acting like the jackal in the old story who is waiting to drink the blood of two goats fighting against each other..:lol: go Jana go..keep encouraging them..:yahoo: If a battle between both our countries broke out ..no matter who ever loose,it will be a victory for your country right?? :bounce:
 
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The BDR Massacre in Bangladesh
Thursday, 02 April 2009 10:20 Adnan Khan
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:rofl:

Completely out of mind!!! A friendly govt just came in power and India trying to destabilize it!!! BDR chief Shakeel Ahmed was very friendly to India as well. :rolleyes:

Many people have seen BNP 'leader' Salauddin Kader Choudhry were sheltering the those criminal BDR men and helped them to run away.

More than a mutiny
Saurabh Shukla
March 5, 2009

The plot of senseless blood letting in Dhaka is thickening. And as the two-month-old Government of Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina battles to bring stability to the country following the barbaric killing of over 140 top Bangladesh Rifles (BDR) officers along with their family members in Dhaka on February 25, reports of a Pakistan-sponsored plot to assassinate her are gaining credence.

Increasingly intelligence is uncovering that the original plan was to assassinate Hasina and army chief Moeen U. Ahmed on February 24, but due to lack of coordination, the required ammunition couldn’t be smuggled into the Durbar area at the BDR headquarters where Hasina had gone a day before the mutiny. The plan was reportedly hatched at the behest of the ISI which is concerned with Hasina’s moderate outlook.

On February 25, a group of BDR junior commissioned officers, lined up the top brass of Bangladesh’s border guards and killed them. The brutality of the killing was shocking as the bodies of the officers and their families were dumped into manholes and mass graves. While some of the ringleaders of the coup and their accomplices have been arrested, over 1,000 BDR personnel have been charged by the Hasina Government.

A confidential report prepared by South Block suggests that Pakistani intelligence was behind the mutiny. The report claims “both Indian and some international intelligence agencies have received indisputable proof of the involvement of Salauddin Chowdhury—an influential BNP MP and a long standing Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agent of influence in Bangladesh with a strong criminal mafia nexus—in the entire episode”.

Chowdhury, a prominent shipping magnate, was a close associate and parliamentary secretary to former premier Khaleda Zia. His name also figured in the Chittagong arms haul in 2004, in which a lethal cargo of arms was unloaded for terrorist activities in India. But Chowdhury has denied such charges.

However, exclusive details available with India Today suggest that intelligence agencies had intercepted a telephone call from Pakistan’s defence attaché in Dhaka, Sajaad Rasool, to a contact in the Pakistani consulate in Dubai. Another intercept revealed Rasool was in contact with Chowdhury.

According to sources, the Pakistani defence attaché monitored the situation from the Gulshan area of Dhaka and was in constant touch with his handlers in Pakistan.

In fact, on February 25 he knew the precise details about the plot unfolding inside the BDR headquarters in Pilkhana. At 12.30 pm, Rasool made a call to the ISI headquarters in Islamabad reporting that DG BDR Major-General Shakeel Ahmed had been killed.

The big question is, how the Pakistani defence attaché knew what was happening inside when even senior officers of the Bangladesh Army and the Government were in the dark. Other intercepts that confirm the involvement of the ISI, include a series of phone calls made by some key Jamaat-e- Islami (JeI) leaders to their ISI contacts in Dubai, London and Islamabad updating them on the operation.

According to the report, the BDR was used by the plotters because resentment has been brewing in the lower ranks. Besides, the aim was to ensure a takeover by pro-Pakistan elements in the Bangladesh Army. So smooth was the planning that no intelligence agency got a whiff of the plot. Chowdhury allegedly used a former DG of BDR, Major-General Fazlur Rehman, as a frontman to instigate the troops.

Chowdhury is suspected to have paid Taka 40 crore (Rs 30 crore) to Fazlur Rahman, who in turn is said to have paid Taka 5 crore to four deputy assistant directors of BDR. While almost 400 sepoys were paid Taka 5 lakh, the key among them were paid Taka 50 lakh each, according to the report.

For India that has a vital stake in the stability of a moderate regime in Dhaka, the developments were worrying. In fact, on February 28, India had begun preparations to evacuate Hasina. External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee was in touch with Hasina and assured her of Indian support. Sources say New Delhi alerted Dhaka.

Following this, Hasina was taken to a Bangladesh Army safehouse. Two teams of commandos were kept ready at a forward air force base in Tripura and another one in Kolkata. But when the situation turned around with the Bangladesh Army backing Hasina and the mutiny quelled, the plan was shelved.

But the big question is why the ISI plotted to destabilise the Government. The reason is, compared to the fundamentalist regime of Khaleda Zia, Hasina’s government is considered to be moderate and has cracked down on Islamists. Sources say Pakistani intelligence fanned the conspiracy as it feared that many of its key assets could be tried for war crimes committed in 1971.

The Hasina Government had moved a resolution in Parliament last month to punish criminals of the 1971 war, something her party had promised in its election manifesto. Sources say JEI leaders Amir Rahman Nizami and Ali Ahsan Mujahid, who are alleged war criminals, provided logistical support to the mutiny.

The ISI plotted to kill Hasina as Islamabad has been uneasy with the Hasina regime’s policies and it’s perceived proximity to India. In fact the crisis in Dhaka should be another reason why India and Bangladesh should work together closely, especially on security issues. Besides, India has to align with the international community to ensure the stability of Hasina’s regime which is pivotal for India’s security concerns.

Experts say that New Delhi and Dhaka should use this opportunity to sensitise the world that Pakistan is the fulcrum of terrorism, and till its agencies, like the ISI, are neutralised, the world, beginning with our neighbourhood, cannot be free of terrorism.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/content_mail.php?option=com_content&name=print&id=31397
 
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BSF can do jack in the border against BDR. Only thing india can do is infiltrate and their stooge regime in BD to set stage for another terrorist massacre like last one.
 
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BSF can do jack in the border against BDR. Only thing india can do is infiltrate and their stooge regime in BD to set stage for another terrorist massacre like last one.

It turns out people like you can do a Jack to contribute towards your countries growth ....you would rather run around with a placard saying "All is Doomed" rather than doing a jack about it.....so people like you can continue to do so...and countries will do what suits their immediate and future needs.
 
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