India wants second line of fighter jets: Report

[Oracle 33]

Economic indicators are quite clear on the front. I am not predicting anything but estimating.

Well considering their economy is declining and heavy debt they have (not including the property bubble) plus the flight of capital to the west those estimates are unclear as nobody knows not even warren buffet

China spends over $100bn on defence (conservative estimates) and how much we spend? when our economy grows so will our defence budget and so will our investment in R&D. Plus we do not use dirty tactics like hacking computers to obtain designs or front companies in USA to obtain technology which was illegal!

But maybe we should?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Sir do you really believe we have money for 200 rafales,

With the costs being spread over 10-15 years and massive operational savings vis a vis the MKI, 200+ Rafales is easily affordable for the IAF. By the time the IAF finishes paying for the Rafale India will have the 3rd largest economy in the world and will be spending >$150BN/year on defence.

 

[Abingdonboy]

We have to keep low profile in this regard. Our defence minister already said we will buy 36 rafales only
Pls wait for formal agreement for 36 rafales. Then only we have clear picture regarding make in india rafales. Before we shouldn't throw numbers like 200 or 300. It will only emembras us

The DM never said anything of the kind, this comments were totally misreported and he has since talked about a second jet line multliple times, Dassualt is already in advanced talks to make a follow-on 90 Rafales in India. The notion that India is only buying 36 is beyond absurd.

 

[AugenBlick]

The DM never said anything of the kind, this comments were totally misreported and he has since talked about a second jet line multliple times, Dassualt is already in advanced talks to make a follow-on 90 Rafales in India. The notion that India is only buying 36 is beyond absurd.

What if there is a second line for Tejas???
100 Mk-1A + 20 Mk1 + atleast 100 Mk2 + export to small countries(africa+asean+a few in lat am) will justify the economics..

 

[Abingdonboy]

What if there is a second line for Tejas???
100 Mk-1A + 20 Mk1 + atleast 100 Mk2 + export to small countries(africa+asean+a few in lat am) will justify the economics..

HAL has outlined the plans- 8 LCA/year 2016-17, 16 LCA/year 2018-20 and 25 LCA/year 2020 onwards with higher levels of private participation (ie outsourcing). It is unrealistic to think of more than 25 LCA being produced a year as this would cut into the longevity of the line and we all know OEMs like to keep their lines churning for as long as possible. If the order was for 1000 LCA then more than 25 LCA/year would be justifiable but 25 LCA/year is a very good rate and about right.

 

[Taygibay]

HAL has outlined the plans- 8 LCA/year 2016-17, 16 LCA/year 2018-20 and 25 LCA/year 2020 onwards with higher levels of private participation (ie outsourcing). It is unrealistic to think of more than 25 LCA being produced a year as this would cut into the longevity of the line and we all know OEMs like to keep their lines churning for as long as possible. If the order was for 1000 LCA then more than 25 LCA/year would be justifiable but 25 LCA/year is a very good rate and about right.

Simple suggestion for accounting of IAF types if you trust that the Raffy MII is coming :
20 a year starting in 3 years. If HAL & Dassault perform as they can, it's easily doable!
20 MKIs, 20 Rafales, 20 Tejas Mk1/2 60 ACs, roughly 3 squadrons a year!

The next line to open will reward the best horse by doubling its output. Et voilà!





But why make it simple when you could MII ... Make It Indian A.K.A. complicated?

OOOPS! I didn't say that!!!!

GN all' Tay.

 

[randomradio]

Simple suggestion for accounting of IAF types if you trust that the Raffy MII is coming :
20 a year starting in 3 years. If HAL & Dassault perform as they can, it's easily doable!
20 MKIs, 20 Rafales, 20 Tejas Mk1/2 60 ACs, roughly 3 squadrons a year!

The next line to open will reward the best horse by doubling its output. Et voilà!





But why make it simple when you could MII ... Make It Indian A.K.A. complicated?

OOOPS! I didn't say that!!!!

GN all' Tay.

HAL won't be involved in Rafale MII. Maybe as a subcontractor, but not as a main contractor.

 

[Taygibay]

HAL won't be involved in Rafale MII. Maybe as a subcontractor, but not as a main contractor.

Another facepalm moment! No but it ( HAL ) is involved in both MKI & Tejas?

You really must try to follow and not just object for the sake of it or me, mate!

Have a great day still, Tay.

 

[AugenBlick]

HAL has outlined the plans- 8 LCA/year 2016-17, 16 LCA/year 2018-20 and 25 LCA/year 2020 onwards with higher levels of private participation (ie outsourcing). It is unrealistic to think of more than 25 LCA being produced a year as this would cut into the longevity of the line and we all know OEMs like to keep their lines churning for as long as possible. If the order was for 1000 LCA then more than 25 LCA/year would be justifiable but 25 LCA/year is a very good rate and about right.

but with 1 assembly line can HAL reach 25/yr? I don't think so

 

[dadeechi]

F-16?

For what LCA Mk2 is under R&D?

The modified Mark 1-A was proposed by HAL this year as a stop gap because the Mark 2 with uprated GE-414 engines and a lengthened fuselage, will not be ready for induction before 2024.

http://www.businesstoday.in/sectors...rcrafts-for-indian-airforce/story/226571.html


Realistically speaking, F-16s would start their MLUs by the time LCA MK2 is ready.

 

[dadeechi]

The agreements that reward and provide incentives to India for signing the foundational agreements are not ready. Hence the delay in signing the LSA . The LSA agreement itself is ready for signing but LSA alone provides nothing to India in return.

F-16s would be the second MII fighter line in parallel to RAFALE's MII line. Gripen would get the contract on LCA MK2.

 

[kasper95]

The agreements that reward and provide incentives to India for signing the foundational agreements are not ready. Hence the delay in signing the LSA . The LSA agreement itself is ready for signing but LSA alone provides nothing to India in return.

F-16s would be the second MII fighter line in parallel to RAFALE's MII line. Gripen would get the contract on LCA MK2.

what benefits will we get by inducting an airframe which is in its final stages and you hope to operate them for next 35-40 years . nope its not going to happen.

 

[dadeechi]

what benefits will we get by inducting an airframe which is in its final stages and you hope to operate them for next 35-40 years . nope its not going to happen.

Signing of foundational agreements and purchase of F-16s are US benefits while fighter jet assembly, jet engine assembly, EMALS etc. are Indian benefits.

 

[kasper95]

Signing of foundational agreements and purchase of F-16s are US benefits while fighter jet assembly, jet engine assembly, EMALS etc. are Indian benefits.

apart from Emals ,other things you get if you buy any other fighter . just for EMALs if you have to sign the agreement ,we don't need them at all.

 

[Gen Padmanabhan]

The modified Mark 1-A was proposed by HAL this year as a stop gap because the Mark 2 with uprated GE-414 engines and a lengthened fuselage, will not be ready for induction before 2024.

http://www.businesstoday.in/sectors...rcrafts-for-indian-airforce/story/226571.html


Realistically speaking, F-16s would start their MLUs by the time LCA MK2 is ready.

F-16 started there MLU in 90s? What you talking about?

Judging from today's news,

India is playing china with US, to resolve border issues.

That not going to happen , if China was interested in resolving those then it already happened by 2013.

The modified Mark 1-A was proposed by HAL this year as a stop gap because the Mark 2 with uprated GE-414 engines and a lengthened fuselage, will not be ready for induction before 2024.

http://www.businesstoday.in/sectors...rcrafts-for-indian-airforce/story/226571.html


Realistically speaking, F-16s would start their MLUs by the time LCA MK2 is ready.

Also whoever said this Mk1A not going to be ready by 2024, is moron of highest order. It best ready for induction by 2019.