India, US set to ink $1.4bn deal for 22 Apache helicopters

[Capt.Popeye]

Nehru was think exactly the same way as you do, what was the result?

Who gives a $hit what Nehru thought. The point is that there is a huge difference between the muscle power in Nehru's time and now.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Hi guys getting some intresting news, word is that India want another 80 of these beast and the US is keen to do business.

Pakistan have aslso asked for the Apache and the US has said no way to them.

Now there is some other rumour going around that Israel wants the USA to join it and India in R&D but not just in weapons but across the board, Israel is pushing the cause keenly with the Americans.

Not sure if this is just gossip, but if India are interested in another 80 Apaches what are India going to use them for?

The total requirement of Apaches is ~80-100 such units for both the IA and IAF.

 

[sancho]

The total requirement of Apaches is ~80-100 such units for both the IA and IAF.

Says who? If combat helicopters will be diverted to IA as the recent reports suggested, IAF has no requirement at all for Apaches, it would be even doubtful if they get any LCH then.
The Apache now is ONLY procured as a replacement for 22 x Mi 35s, while the long term fire support solution is Rudra/LCH and again since the Mi 35s will be diverted to IA, their replacements logically must be given to IA as well.

 

[sancho]

Any chance IN going for the Naval version of Apaches???

There is no naval version of the Apache, the UK operates a modified version and they added folding wings as well. For IN there must be a requirement first, otherwise you can't procure anything. IF they go for LPDs, they won't get any combat helicopters, since the hangars will only able to operate very few (mainly uttility) helicopters. If they go for LHDs or helicopter carriers, there is a chance to use combat helicopters from them as well, but lets wait and see.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Says who? If combat helicopters will be diverted to IA as the recent reports suggested, IAF has no requirement at all for Apaches, it would be even doubtful if they get any LCH then.
The Apache now is ONLY procured as a replacement for 22 x Mi 35s, while the long term fire support solution is Rudra/LCH and again since the Mi 35s will be diverted to IA, their replacements logically must be given to IA as well.

Sancho this is what I have heard. All the news coming out about aviation assets being moved to the IA AAC is still incredibly vague and no real specifics are given. I have heard the IAF will get the Apaches that they have already passed through and that the AAC will get their own seperate force of Apaches. IIRC I had posted a news article that almost said as much. Addtionally I do belive the IAF is still in line to get LCHs and ALH WSI but possibly in reduced numbers.

 

[帅的一匹]

LCH project will be buried by Apache, just like Arjun buried by water down version of T90.

Who gives a $hit what Nehru thought. The point is that there is a huge difference between the muscle power in Nehru's time and now.

Still you won't score in front of China.

 

[sancho]

Sancho this is what I have heard. All the news coming out about aviation assets being moved to the IA AAC is still incredibly vague and no real specifics are given.

That's why you have to think it through based on what we do know and stick to facts!

- the current procurement is only to replace Mi 35s, not other helicopters
- we are adding Rudra and LCH combat in the short to mid term as well
- if IA gets the combat helicopters, there is only escort roles left, that IAF could do with armed helis, which obviously don't require Apaches

LCH project will be buried by Apache

The one has nothing to do with the other, the one is a short term replacement, the other an ongoing progress of a successful helicopter development. The rest of your post is simply not worth replying and you should delete it own your own and stick to topic again.

 

[Abingdonboy]

LCH project will be buried by Apache, just like Arjun buried by water down version of T90.


Still you won't score in front of China.

Wrong, wrong and wrong. LCH project is assured 200+ units are on order for the IA and IAF. The Apaches will simply make up the "hi" part of the hi-lo mix of attack helos in the Indian forces. The Apaches will be outnumbered by the LCHs. The Arjun is still being devloped into its optimal version. And how was the T-90S that the IA got "watered down"??!!

 

[Abingdonboy]

That's why you have to think it through based on what we do know and stick to facts!

- the current procurement is only to replace Mi 35s, not other helicopters
- we are adding Rudra and LCH combat in the short to mid term as well
- if IA gets the combat helicopters, there is only escort roles left, that IAF could do with armed helis, which obviously don't require Apaches

True but the Indian forces are not just interested in a 1:1 replacement, there is a need to add capacity and grow the force levels so of course there is a projected requirement for more than 22. And the IAF still has the desire to use Apaches in SEAD mission profiles surely? Of course this is conjecture- we do not know exactly what is going to happen with the Attack fleet and the split between the IA and IAF.

 

[selvan33]

The total requirement of Apaches is ~80-100 such units for both the IA and IAF.

no IA is not going to use apache. for them LCH only because army aviation corps law restricts them to use not more than 5 tonne fully loaded chopper. now they are going to change the law that states they can use 6 tonne chopper for LCH and later 2017 they are planning to change this to 9 tonne once HAL's medium lift helicopter made its first flight.

 

[Abingdonboy]

no IA is not going to use apache. for them LCH only because army aviation corps law restricts them to use not more than 5 tonne fully loaded chopper. now they are going to change the law that states they can use 6 tonne chopper for LCH and later 2017 they are planning to change this to 9 tonne once HAL's medium lift helicopter made its first flight.

AFAIK there is no such "law"- that is far too rigid. And didn you miss the recent news about the AAC being allowed to operate heavy attack helos? These WILL be Apaches.

 

[selvan33]

AFAIK there is no such "law"- that is far too rigid. And didn you miss the recent news about the AAC being allowed to operate heavy attack helos? These WILL be Apaches.

well i read this in newspaper few months back(i will try to find that news magazine)but i dont know about future attack heli but this 22 apache for IAF only. you can go here.
Govt rebuffs IAF, gives Army attack choppers - Times Of India

 

[selvan33]

AFAIK there is no such "law"- that is far too rigid. And didn you miss the recent news about the AAC being allowed to operate heavy attack helos? These WILL be Apaches.

Army?s demand for attack choppers triggers fresh turf war with IAF - Times Of India
well you go here buddy

 

[Hulk]

Nehru was think exactly the same way as you do, what was the result?

Proud of beating a under prepared under armed army.

 

[Agent_47]

Says who? If combat helicopters will be diverted to IA as the recent reports suggested, IAF has no requirement at all for Apaches, it would be even doubtful if they get any LCH then.
The Apache now is ONLY procured as a replacement for 22 x Mi 35s, while the long term fire support solution is Rudra/LCH and again since the Mi 35s will be diverted to IA, their replacements logically must be given to IA as well.

The Army wants one heavy-duty attack squadron (10-12 helicopters) for each of its three "strike" formations - 1 Corps (Mathura), 2 Corps (Ambala) and 21 Corps ( Bhopal) — in keeping with their primary offensive role. Moreover, it has plans to induct another 114 'Rudra' light combat helicopters for the remaining 10 'pivot' corps.

source

so the order will definitely increase but not in a big margin.
3*12=36-22=14 extra is definite.

Actually,we don't need those more than that numbers.
our terrains and needs favors LCH.lets make it more deadlier
only japan operates more than 36 apaches after US.