India urged to take up Tibet issue before UN

[beijingwalker]

 

[beijingwalker]

 

[Jackdaws]

really? are there any official figures to back up that claim and what past figures are?cause you said more and more..

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Whether they like it or not, China has been very good for Tibetans.



Feb 16, 2010 7:00 PM EST

Isaac Stone Fish

Given that the official just stated that 3500-4000 Tibetans seek refuge in India every year - doesn't that mean "more and more" Tibetans in India.

The article clearly states that all the money in the world has failed to buy Tibetan loyalty and that the government requires them to give up right to free worship and free speech. LOL - nice job. Thanks for reinforcing for what I just posted.

 

[beijingwalker]

 

[beijingwalker]

that is Tibet used to be ,under his holy Dalai lama's serfdom rulehell on earth.

Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth
Friendly Fuedalism - The Tibet Myth

Dalai lama himself was the biggest owner of serfs in Tibet.serfs were not considered to be humans whereas enjoyed no human freedom and liberty,they were just like properties belonging to their masters and lives totally confined to serving their masters.serfs lives were hellish under Dalai lama serfdom,serfs can easily lose their arms,legs,noses,eyes...for minor mistake they may make ,and those noblemen masters pushed cruelty to the new limit,they enjoy using human skin made objects.

Tibet Was No Shangri-La Under The Rule of the Dalai Lamas; It Was ‘Hell On Earth’ Before Revolution

Tibet Was No Shangri-La Under The Rule of the Dalai Lamas; It Was 'Hell On Earth' Before Revolution | Dailycensored.com

Tibet was a feudal society before the revolutionary changes that started in 1949. There were two main classes: the serfs and the aristocratic serf owners. The people lived like serfs in Europe’s “Dark Ages,” or like African slaves and sharecroppers of the U.S. South.

Tibetan serfs scratched barley harvest from the hard earth with wooden plows and sickles. Goats, sheep and yaks were raised for milk, butter, cheese and meat. The aristocratic and monastery masters owned the people, the land and most of the animals. They forced the serfs to hand over most grain and demanded all kinds of forced labor (called ulag). Among the serfs, both men and women participated in hard labor, including ulag. The scattered nomadic peoples of Tibet’s barren western highlands were also owned by lords and lamas.

The Dalai Lama’s older brother Thubten Jigme Norbu claims that in the lamaist social order, “There is no class system and the mobility from class to class makes any class prejudice impossible.” But the whole existence of this religious order was based on a rigid and brutal class system.

Serfs were treated like despised “inferiors”–the way Black people were treated in the Jim Crow South. Serfs could not use the same seats, vocabulary or eating utensils as serf owners. Even touching one of the master’s belongings could be punished by whipping. The masters and serfs were so distant from each other that in much of Tibet they spoke different languages.

It was the custom for a serf to kneel on all fours so his master could step on his back to mount a horse. Tibet scholar A. Tom Grunfeld describes how one ruling class girl routinely had servants carry her up and down stairs just because she was lazy. Masters often rode on their serfs’ backs across streams.

The only thing worse than a serf in Tibet was a “chattel slave,” who had no right to even grow a few crops for themselves. These slaves were often starved, beaten and worked to death. A master could turn a serf into a slave any time he wanted. Children were routinely bought and sold in Tibet’s capital, Lhasa. About 5 percent of the Tibetan people were counted as chattel slaves. And at least another 10 percent were poor monks who were really “slaves in robes.”

The lamaist system tried to prevent any escape. Runaway slaves couldn’t just set up free farms in the vast empty lands. Former serfs explained to revolutionary writer Anna Louise Strong that before liberation, “You could not live in Tibet without a master. Anyone might pick you up as an outlaw unless you had a legal owner.”

Born Female–Proof of Past Sins?

The Dalai Lama writes, “In Tibet there was no special discrimination against women.” The Dalai Lama’s authorized biographer Robert Hicks argues that Tibetan women were content with their status and “influenced their husbands.” But in Tibet, being born a woman was considered a punishment for “impious” (sinful) behavior in a previous life. The word for “woman” in old Tibet, kiemen, meant “inferior birth.” Women were told to pray, “May I reject a feminine body and be reborn a male one.”

Lamaist superstition associated women with evil and sin. It was said “among ten women you’ll find nine devils.” Anything women touched was considered tainted–so all kinds of taboos were placed on women. Women were forbidden to handle medicine. Han Suyin reports, “No woman was allowed to touch a lama’s belongings, nor could she raise a wall, or ‘the wall will fall.’… A widow was a despicable being, already a devil. No woman was allowed to use iron instruments or touch iron. Religion forbade her to lift her eyes above the knee of a man, as serfs and slaves were not allowed to life the eyes upon the face of the nobles or great lamas.”

Monks of the major sects of Tibetan Buddhism rejected sexual intimacy (or even contact) with women, as part of their plan to be holy. Before the revolution, no woman had ever set foot in most monasteries or the palaces of the Dalai Lama.

There are reports of women being burned for giving birth to twins and for practicing the pre-Buddhist traditional religion (called Bon). Twins were considered proof that a woman had mated with an evil spirit. The rituals and folk medicine of Bon were considered “witchcraft.” Like in other feudal societies, upperclass women were sold into arranged marriages. Custom allowed a husband to cut off the tip of his wife’s nose if he discovered she had slept with someone else. The patriarchal practices included polygyny, where a wealthy man could have many wives; and polyandry, where in land-poor noble families one woman was forced to be wife to several brothers.

Among the lower classes, family life was similar to slavery in the U.S. South. (See The Life of a Tibetan Slave.) Serfs could not marry or leave the estate without the master’s permission. Masters transferred serfs from one estate to another at will, breaking up serf families forever. Rape of women serfs was common–under the ulag system, a lord could demand “temporary wives.”"

 

[beijingwalker]

Comparing quality of life with India,life in Tibet is much better.

Infant mortality rate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...mortality_rate

india : (2005-2010):
ranked 150 @ 60.82%

Xizang (Tibet ) should be ranked 105 based on 2003 survey.

Life expectancy:

List of countries by life expectancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

india: # 139 @ 64.7 (2005-2010)
Xizang: should be ranked 127 (2003)

The statistics speak volume!

 

[beijingwalker]

at least China doesnt have any gurerrila militants fighting the government army.if India really like to take China to UN,What's India's plan for fixing the mutiple problems of Kashmir,Norh Eastern rebel groups and Maists..?

 

[Jackdaws]

at least China doesnt have any gurerrila militants fighting the government army.if India really like to take China to UN,What's India's plan for fixing the mutiple problems of Kashmir,Norh Eastern rebel groups and Maists..?

You need to distinguish between India - the state and Indian citizens. As an Indian citizen, I have no doubt that my Government will not take up any issue of Tibet to the UN. The UN itself is a toothless organization which is incapable of doing anything. The Indian Government is run by a bunch of thugs - they are too busy fighting corruption charges to actually do anything of note.

But yes - it is a fact that Tibetans are in India as refugees - if things were as rosy in Tibet as your pictures portray, 3500-4000 Tibetans who are Chinese citizens would not be applying for refugee status in India annually. How difficult is that to comprehend?

Of course India has internal problems - Kashmir, North Eastern groups and Maoists. Indian Government's plan of fixing these problems - I guess more democracy. Unless India gets rid of its absurd Westminster system of governance and adopts the American model, Indian democracy will fail its citizens.

But we are deviating from the topic of Tibetans. If you wish to discuss India's internal issues, feel free to open a thread.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Lol. What a fantastic argument. you should have been around to say it to the Brits and Americans before they embarked on WW2. Hahahahahaha - a simpleton Chinese's grasp of history and warfare... Hahahahaha

Sorry I can't go back to the pass but you Indian alway want to go back to the pass to undo your 1962 shame...I don't have doubt about it

 

[Jackdaws]

Sorry I can't go back to the pass but you Indian alway want to go back to the pass to under your 1962 shame...I don't have doubt about it

Which pass - the Khyber Pass? Are you high.....again? hahahahaha

 

[GoodBoy]

Sorry I can't go back to the pass but you Indian alway want to go back to the pass to undo your 1962 shame...I don't have doubt about it

Should we remind you of Nanjing?

On topic...why are Chinese so agitated even when India is not considerding taking Tibet to UN?

Tibet is a bilateral issue between India and China.

 

[beijingwalker]

Should we remind you of Nanjing?
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Yse,Japan signed instrument of surrender to China in Nanjing in 1945,and their war criminals were also tried and executed in Nanjing.

 

[kurup]

Yse,Japan signed instrument of surrender to China in Nanjing in 1945,and their war criminals were also tried and executed in Nanjing.

Because US nuked Japan .......... and not because of china.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Should we remind you of Nanjing?

On topic...why are Chinese so agitated even when India is not considerding taking Tibet to UN?

Tibet is a bilateral issue between India and China.

You should go back and enjoy of those 200 years of british colonial and learn how you have earned as reword to adopt english as your official language.

As for tibet, we're not agintated we just want to have fun with some Indians comments. I think China was clear enought when we didn't want to sign the water treaty, we let it pass to Indian side as charity gesture. when water is not even a bilaterial issue, let alone Tibet...and Indeed the UFLA also Maoist is a bilaterial issue..because we're very concern of those assamese people and well being of maoists.

 

[GoodBoy]

You should go back and enjoy of those 200 years of british colonial and learn how you have earned as reword to adopt english as your official language.

As for tibet, we're not agintated we just want to have fun with some Indians comments. I think China was clear enought when we didn't want to sign the water treaty, we let it pass to Indian side as charity gesture. when water is not even a bilaterial issue, let alone Tibet...and Indeed the UFLA also Maoist is a bilaterial issue..because we're very concern of those assamese people and well being of maoists.

You cant even speak English properly... seems like you would not learn english even after 2000 years of British Rule.Every Chinese want to learn English and adopt Christian names over traditional Chinese names and even marry in Christian ways.So you are the real slaves without any physical rule.

Let me know when you learn enough to even argue with me Mr KungFu Dragon.

Or may be your english dwindled as you got nervous and agitated by Nanjing sooooo much...may be you can learn Japanese under 1 month of Japanese Rule if not proper English.