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India urged to take up Tibet issue before UN

Indeed, we care about trade surplus with India, for BD we care about your Indian water inter link policy, because any bad thing you do to BD about water then we will entitle to do the same to you...and 1999 you were busy with war and we capitalized on peace to make money...that how our economy is 4 times of India. :coffee:

Out of $73 billion trade, your export to India accounts for $50 Billion, your government very well know where their priorities lie. Don't day dream please. :lol:
 
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Out of $73 billion trade, your export to India accounts for $50 Billion, your government very well know where their priorities lie. Don't day dream please. :lol:

Geopolitic is another matter, otherwise we will alway end up to be Indian's A$$ kisser because of the trade...which never been the case.
 
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@Luffy 500 Hey he is talking about Brahmaputra. :lol::lol:

Typical gigafart post.:disagree: Don’t try to divert the topic by turning irrelevant mountain into a molehill.

U want to talk about water ?:angry: Lets talk about Saint India's record of water sharing. The only treaty U folks ever singed was the 1996 indo-BD ganges water treaty which don’t have any gurantee clause on the minimum amount of water BD should get, future hydrological changes was also not taken into consideration. That means India can violate the treaty without any consequences. As per the treaty:

• If the flow is greater than 75,000 cusec (cubic feet per second) at Farakka Barrage, then India will receive 40,000 cusec, and the remaining will be allocated for Bangladesh.
• If the flow ranges between 70,000 and 75,000 cusec, the Bangladesh will receive 35,000 cusec and the remaining will be allocated for India
• If the flow is less than 70,000 cusec, the share between Bangladesh and India will be at the rate of 50:50. However, India and Bangladesh each shall receive a guaranteed 35,000 cusecs of water in alternative three 10-day periods during the period March 1 to May 10.

India regularly violated the treaty since 96. According to experts, siting the report of Joint river commission from 2007-2011:

20% of the times Bangladesh received less water at Hardinge Bridge than is prescribed in the treaty. In 2010, the situation was worse, as Bangladesh received the fair share during 9 out of 15 intervals, indicating a clear violation of the treaty for 40% of the time. Based on the analysis of the flow-data, we concluded that, on average, 25% of the time during the last 4 years, Bangladesh received less water at Hardinge Bridge than was presumably (as per Indian reports) released at Farakka Barrage to enter Bangladesh.

In 2010, during none of the 15 intervals the measured flow reached the amount that was equal or exceeded the historical average flow for the respective time intervals; and in 2011, during 5 out of 15 intervals Bangladesh received the right share of water that was comparable to the historical average flow. The analysis of flow data revealed that during the years 2008-11, 85% of the times, the flow at Farakka Barrage was below the respective historic average flow that was recoded for the period of 1948-88.(note, the ganges treaty was based on the avg flow rate recorded in 9148-88 period)
Ganges water treaty: Dead or just dying? | Opinion

Recently your mamata blamed BD for taking more water in 2012 as 2 of the 109 gate of the farakka barrage is said to have become dysfunctional. But its U guys who control the barrage, and also the amount of water that comes at farraka point, comes after all the diversion that occurs upstream by U guys.

However, measuring the flow through the Farakka barrage is complicated as it is based on the volume of water at the barrage point and two kilometres downstream at the feeder canal.
No Ganges water beyond treaty


The whole farraka barrage was constructed through deceit. Indira promised in 74 that the Farakka barrage would not be put into operation before an agreement was reached on sharing the dry season flow of the Ganges between the two countries. However BD allowed India in 1975 to test the feeder CANAL of the BARRAGE, for which 310-450 cumec of Ganges flow was diverted from Farakka over the 10-day period from 21 April to 31 May 1975. But then India unilaterally commissioned the barrage in 1975 without any agreement on sharing until 1996 when India signed the 30 year long sharing treaty.


Lets not talk about tipaimuk. U people R not ready to share the data of the dam with even the current dalal BD regime. Our northern parts have suffered inconceivable salinity & deforestation due to farraka alone. Now U folks came up with tipaimuk & the mega river linking project. U don’t need to be an expert to know that the river linking project will turn whole BD into a barren desert.

U have some nerve by crying wolf about china and comparing their yet to construct a run-of-the-river 510MW project. They R not diverting water like Indian Chanakya lunneys but generating electricity. Its not even comparable to the heinous schemes & historical water terrorism of Chanakya India .Chinese have already reassured India about the dam. They R way to nice to U hypocrites. We could care less to what china does to U guys.:cheesy:

Funny how U chankyans cry to china for sharing the info on their project citing Intl obligations, but continuously violate singed treaties & unilaterally going ahead with projects like Tipai. AT least the chinese don’t have a river linking project aimed at destroying down stream countries. Such hypocrites U people are.

Look yourself in the mirror before talking about water. NOW try to stick to the topic which is India's chankyan dream of akhand bharat, rather than brainfarting about supposedly disastrous chinese river projects. :coffee:




@Kiss_of_the_Dragon , don't fall for Indian trolling & diversion of topic.
 
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@Luffy 500 What ever India did to BD, we will use same excuse to do the same to them and they won't have any more arguement left against us. Now we have mega projet plan to divert water from Tibet to Xinjiang, we will see Indian gorverment reaction.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-far-east/80867-chinese-scientists-say-water-diversion-bohai-xinjiang-unfeasible.html

there is broken link..so i just past the same subject here

Chinese scientists have dreamed up yet another mega engineering scheme: to divert water from Tibet’s Yarlung Zangbo River, along a course that follows the Tibet-Qinghai railway line to Golmud, through the Gansu Corridor and, finally, to Xinjiang, in north-west China.

The man behind the proposal is Wang Guangqian, an academic at the Chinese Academy of Sciences and director of Tsinghua University’s State Key Laboratory of Hydroscience and Engineering. Although the Ministry of Water Resources has not given its support to the scheme, Wang insists it is “feasible”.

On June 3, Wang revealed that the authorities are considering a water-diversion plan for western China. He told reporters that, the previous day, Li Ruihuan – former member of the standing committee of the Political Bureau and chair of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC) – had gathered Wang and others together to give and listen to presentations on the proposal. He said that everyone there was in agreement: “It is time for a water-diversion project in western China.”

It has previously been suggested that such a project could move 200 billion cubic metres of water a year – the equivalent of four Yellow Rivers. It would require core project finance of more than 200 billion yuan (US$30.9 billion) and be “an unprecedented undertaking in the history of the Chinese people.”

As to why it’s necessary, Wang explained that water usage has dramatically increased as a result of social and economic development on the lower reaches of the Yangtze River and Yellow River. Climate change and other factors are driving desertification, while water coming from the upper reaches of those rivers is decreasing (for more information on threats to the quality and supply of water in this region posed by factors including glacier-melt in the Himalayas, see chinadialogue’s report “The Waters of the Third Pole: Sources of Threat, Sources of Survival”). A survey by the Cold and Arid Regions Environmental and Engineering Institute found that, since the 1980s, the quantity of water flowing from the Yellow River above the city of Lanzhou, in north-western China, has fallen by an average of 13% a year. In 2002, it dropped 46%.

In addition, grain-growing regions such as Henan in central China and Xinjiang in the north-west rely on large quantities of groundwater. To date, almost all major cities in a region bounded by Harbin to the north, Urumqi to the north-west, Shanghai to the east and Haikou to the south, have experienced subsidence due to groundwater extraction. “There’s no way that situation is sustainable,” said Wang. “But there is still potential to exploit the more plentiful water resources of the south-west.”

Figures from the Chinese Academy of Sciences show that rivers on the Qinghai-Tibet and Yunnan-Guizhou plateaus, including the Yarlung Zangbo, Nu and Lancang, carry between 637 billion cubic metres and 810 billion cubic metres of water out of China each year. Because little of the water in these rivers is used within China’s borders, most of it flows on to India and south-east Asia – where they become the Brahmaputra, Salween and Mekong, respectively.

Wang’s proposal is distinct from the South-North Water Transfer Project, another mega infrastructure scheme approved by the State Council in December 2002. Under that plan, a “western route” would “bring water from the Tongtian, Yalong and Dadu tributaries of the upper Yangtze to the Yellow River,” in order to relieve water shortages in the regions of Qinghai, Gansu and Ningxia.

However, I understand from the State Council’s South-North Water Transfer project office that, so far, no concrete plans have been formulated for the western route. Speaking at a party meeting on May 13, the head of that office, E Jingping, said: “There is currently a significant gap between preliminary work being done on the project and actual requirements. In particular, much more work is needed to explain the necessity, importance and feasibility of the project in the context of national sustainable development.”

Wang Guangqian stated that the idea for his proposal – dubbed the Major Western Route – came from independent water-resources expert Guo Kai, and has many supporters. “Everybody gets really excited when they hear about it,” he said.

Guo Kai told me the project name was originally chosen to distinguish the scheme from the western route of the South-North Water Transfer project. He came up with the idea as early as 1990: take 201 billion cubic metres of water every year from the Yarlung Zangbo, divert it through the Nu, Nancang, Jinsha, Yalong and Dadu rivers, over the Aba watershed and into the Yellow River. Guo believes this project would not only ease water shortages in the north of China, but also transform desert landscapes, increase farmland, provide power and create jobs.

“It would only take five to eight years to build, and cost 225 billion yuan [US$34.7 billion] in 1997 terms,” Guo said, adding that the Yarlung Zangbo, Nu River and Lancang River are capable of providing some 380 billion cubic metres of water annually – more than enough to cover the 206 billion cubic metres required each year by the project.

Zhao Nanqi, former CPPCC vice-chair, is a keen advocate of Guo’s idea. “Guo Kai’s proposal for the Major Western Route has given us inspiration and hope,” he said.

China’s 12th Five-Year Plan, released in March, includes improving the movement of water resources between north and south and east and west, and between rivers and reservoirs, building cross-basin water-diversion projects and improving access to water both in the north and the south.

Several different water-diversion projects for the west of China are under discussion. Besides the two plans outlined above, former member of the Yangtze River Commission Lin Yishan has proposed a “Major Western Route Water Diversion”; Chen Chuanyou of the Chinese Academy of Sciences’ Natural Resources Institute has put forward the “Tibetan Water for the North” scheme, while the Guiyang Hydropower Investigation Research and Design Institute is investigating its own “Major Western Route”. The list goes on. All of these aim to move large quantities of water from the Qinghai-Tibet plateau to the west and north of China.

Wang Guangqian’s team is understood to be working with the South-North Water Transfer office to organise a feasibility study of their proposal.

Li Ling, author of Tibet’s Water Will Save China, has long been following these proposals. He said that the Institute of Advanced Technology at the Chinese Academy of Sciences is using supercomputers and data modelling to simulate the Major Western Route and evaluate its feasibility.

“National leaders only decided to go ahead with the Three Gorges Dam and projects on the Irtysh River, Ili River and Tarim River after seeing data-modelling and three-dimensional imaging that demonstrated their feasibility,” explained Li. He added that an initial simulation of the proposal has already been produced in Shenzhen, south China, but limitations in the data used to create it means it cannot be made public.

Li believes that the technological and engineering experience gained from constructing the Qinghai-Tibet railway – which involved challenges such as building on permafrost and working for many years in low-oxygen environments and environmentally vulnerable regions – will help to solve many of the problems presented by the Major Western Route. Building the railway cost 2 billion yuan (US$308 million) in environmental protection alone.

“If you can successfully build a railway between 4,500 metres and 5,072 metres above sea level, building the Major Western Route at 3,588 metres to 3,366 metres is not going to be a problem,” said Li.
 
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@Luffy 500 Your country is arsenic infested and Brahmaputra's water is mostly unpolluted. You need the water but your cheerleading compulsion keeping your mouth shut. Stop poonting. :hitwall::rofl:
 
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@Luffy 500 Your country is arsenic infested and Brahmaputra's water is mostly unpolluted. You need the water but your cheerleading compulsion keeping your mouth shut. Stop poonting. :hitwall::rofl:

Don't Laugh so soon...what will happen it we divert all this water to Xinjiang.? here to answer your question about Ganges tributary rivers: Ghanghara and Kosi source are from China, and the head river source is just near China boundary, if we manage to block all melting ices at the head rivier of Ganges, you will have to learn to count each drop of water.

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Don't Laugh so soon...what will happen it we divert all this water to Xinjiang.? here to answer your question about Ganges tributary rivers: Ghanghara and Kosi source are from China, and the head river source is just near China boundary, if we manage to block all melting ices at the head rivier of Ganges, you will have to learn to count each drop of water.

Ganges-Brahmaputra-Meghna_basins.jpg

Any DAM on Kosi will be beneficial to India for flood control and and by the way how will you divert their water to Eastern China or Xinjiang :lol: Furthermore you will face wrath of Nepal, they have major hydroelectic project on Kosi. :rofl: You are left only with Indus and Brahmaputra. :cheesy: while Ghaghara don't seems plausible to harm India. :enjoy:
 
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Any DAM on Kosi will be beneficial to India for flood control and and by the way how will you divert their water to Eastern China or Xinjiang :lol: Furthermore you will face wrath of Nepal, they have major hydroelectic project on Kosi. :rofl: You are left only with Indus and Brahmaputra. :cheesy: while Ghaghara don't seems plausible to harm India. :enjoy:

So you admit that we own Ganges tributary rivers and even the head source of Ganges is at the vincinity of our border.:cool: As I said a drop of 2% to 5% of Ganges river level will be a panick and chaos to all 400 millions admirer of this sacred river. As for the feasibility of diversion, we will alway have solution no matter how complex will be the task, we have defied the world by building Tibet rail, we can do the same for water.
 
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So you admit that we own Ganges tributary rivers and even the head source of Ganges is at the vincinity of our border.:cool: As I said a drop of 2% to 5% of Ganges river level will be a panick and chaos to all 400 millions admirer of this sacred river. As for the feasibility of diversion, we will alway have solution no matter how complex will be the task, we have defied the world by building Tibet rail, we can do the same for water.

There will be no panick, there is no shortage of water in these regions
 
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We also support Indian Commies for the freedom and self deterimination.

When did Indian Commies seek freedom and self deterimination.

opressed by Muslim invaders for like 1000 years. come on they deserve freedom talk

Why are you projecting Muslims as oppressors? Why are you being an Islamophobe
 
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their is not an issue called tibet issue.
tibet, which is one of the poorest places in China ,has a per capita gdp 2500 USD in 2011,much better and richer than its south big neighbor...
tibet is the homeland of many ethnics,in which more than 90% are tibetans and 8% are Hans.if someone believe their is a tibet issue ,he should believe that 11 holding knife bibetans are under control of 1 unarmed han.
about 2.7 million tibetans live in tibet,and another 2.7 million tibetans live in sichuan ,qinghai,yunnan and other places, so if their is a tibet issue , their should be a sichuan issue,qinghai issue ,yunnan issue........
Lhasa is one of the safest cities in China.

Funny, same thing the Portuguese under Salzar regime said about their colonies

if india and indians want to talk something about tibet ,they'd better firstly make themselves richer than tibetans, make their roads better than tibetan roads ,make their cities safer and clearer than tibetan's.

By the same logic Chinese shouldn't speak about Indian democracy as China should a successful democracy herself to qualify to comment.

We Indians speak about Tibet, because Tibet is an Indian issue as well , as many Tibetan refugees reside in India.
 
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By the same logic Chinese shouldn't speak about Indian democracy as China should a successful democracy herself to qualify to comment.
haha.We judge a social system good or not ,by what it brings to their people ,not by what its name is.Obviously,your transcript is not good enough to allow your proud.
maybe you are middle-upper class in your country and have the money to bs here ,but have you ever forgotten how many people in your country cann't afford a PC or even a TV set now 13th year of 21th centary ? your country is much richer than us in 1947 when you got independence and your industrial output was many times of ours.
 
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Funny, same thing the Portuguese under Salzar regime said about their colonies



By the same logic Chinese shouldn't speak about Indian democracy as China should a successful democracy herself to qualify to comment.

We Indians speak about Tibet, because Tibet is an Indian issue as well , as many Tibetan refugees reside in India.

Taiwan is a successful Chinese democracy and a democracy ht as brought prosperity to its people. India is an example of why a country should not adopt democracy as its majority are not ready to be responsible stakeholders of its national affairs.
 
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