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India trying to occupy Bangladesh territory

You can preach this to your fellow BD members who start threads in this section just to complain against India. This doesn’t give out any impression other than that BD members love whining. Your ‘insightful’ contributions in those threads don't exactly put you on a different plane than their standpoint. So I suggest you cut down this holier-than-thou act of yours.

And before you accuse me of anything, remember, I had merely asked for a reference from your ‘SeaGull sir’ to back up his claim. It was you who started acting high and mighty, without understanding the nuances of my argument.

There are sane Bangladeshis as well. Unfortunately, I am not conversing with one. And Puhlease...give Bharat-Rakshak a rest.

People in Bangladesh do not unnecessarily complain about the way India handles its relationship with that country. There was a Mujib - Indira Treaty, under which Berubari Chitmahal was handed over to Indian sovereignty, but India has not yet fulfilled her own part of the Treaty, it still denies giving access road (known as Tinbigha corridor) to our Chitmahal inside India. India lacks sense of reciprocity.

During the 1971 War of Independence, India just moved its border posts in places like Padua. So, there was that border war in 2001. Along the common rivers, when a river breaks its bank and moves towards BD, India would force a new international border. It would unilaterally move the border to center of the altered river channel. Is it acceptable?

India would grudgingly build dams/barrages to divert water from international water bodies. It has happened to both BD and Pakistan. A bullying big neighbour like India is not good for its smaller neighbours. Look at the map, India is so big, yet it acts so small that it encroaches upon a tiny country like BD. It is true also for our maritime territories as well. It claims South Talpatti and other areas in the sea.

India bullies its neighbours, and, therefore, is also disliked by them. India has an attitude problem and it should be rectified, if peace to be established in the region.
 
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To my fellow compatriots-
There is no reason for us to go nuts on this Tipaimukh issue. As I shall explain in greater details on a separate thread.
What is indeed worrying is that we are heading for a big 'Diplomatic Defeat', with our parliamentary team off to India, visiting Tipaimukh site.
 
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majority of indian,s are not accepting the great pakistan and bangladesh..also other solitary countries like srilanka nepals and other..indian believes on akhand bahrat .INSHAALLAH this stupid dream will naver comes true till the pakistan is in the region with its strong position ....
 
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First, fence is not the issue here, issue is barbaric and uncivilized attitude of Indians. Second, no fence will be meaningful unless Bangladesh stop and limit indian land trade and stop indian access/corridor through Bangladesh. Bangladesh should stop corridor both water and land. Then use the barbed wire if needed.
 
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People in Bangladesh do not unnecessarily complain about the way India handles its relationship with that country.
That post of mine was directed at an individual who was trying to be all high and mighty with himself. Anyway, India's handling of affairs with Bangladesh could have been better, I admit, but certainly not as bad as would warrant the vitriol that is noticed among some BD members. For them India hating is their favorite passtime, and the reasons, that you have 'diligently' listed are just after thoughts, to justify such tribal culture of hatred.

There was a Mujib - Indira Treaty, under which Berubari Chitmahal was handed over to Indian sovereignty, but India has not yet fulfilled her own part of the Treaty, it still denies giving access road (known as Tinbigha corridor) to our Chitmahal inside India. India lacks sense of reciprocity.
Ignorance is bliss, they say. It nicely insulates one from the inconvenience of having to face the reality. Let me give you a good news, which doesn’t seem to have reached Tokyo in 17 years. Tin Bigha has been leased out to Bangladesh and since 26th June, 1992, the corridor has been operating, from 6 A.M to 6 P.M. Now about the history in brief.

The origin of Beraburi conflict is in Radcliffe Award. While distributing land between India and then Pakistan, Radcliffe, inadvertently left out Beraburi Union #12, which was part of Jalpaiguri, which again was awarded to India. This omission led Pakistan to claim the entire Beraburi Union. Later, in 1958, it was decided, through Nehru-Noon agreement, that half of Beraburi will be awarded to Pakistan and the other half will remain with India. In order to give effect to the agreement, necessary amendments (9th Amendment) were made in the Indian constitution, in 1960. However, this amendment was challenged in the Supreme Court. In 1971 the Supreme Court upheld the amendment, but the tumultuous events of 1971 prevented the agreement to be implemented.

Besides, the region that was to be handed over to Bangladesh, had 90% Hindu population and the portion to be handed over to India, had 80% Muslim population. If this agreement was again implemented it would have resulted in a large migration and consequent rehabilitation problems. This also resulted in popular agitation in the region, against the implementation of the agreement.

The Mujib-Gandhi agreement was signed in 1974, whereby both countries agreed to retain the regions. Under the agreement India agreed to perpetually lease Tin Bigha to Bangladesh, to enable transit from Bangladesh to its enclaves (Dhagram/ Angorpota) within India. Through series of letters, the modalities were finally agreed upon by the two countries and the legal conflict thus came to an end.

But implementation, on India’s part, got delayed due to massive agitation by the people of Kuchlibari, Dhaprhat and Mekhliganj, spearheaded by Kuchlibari Sangram Committee and Tin Bigha Sangram Committee, on one hand, and a writ petition in Calcutta High Court on another. There were three writs and all these writs were rejected by CHC in 1983. This enabled the govt. of West Bengal to acquire land, which consisted of 16 privately owned plots amounting roughly to 3.17 acres. The Kuchlibari Sangram Committee, in 1984, filed another petition before the division bench in CHC. In 1986, the division bench again ruled in favour of the agreement. In the same year the GoI granted a special leave from Supreme Court against some additional points that the CHC had pronounced with regard to the agreement. Finally, in 1990 the Supreme Court ruled in favour of the agreement, paving the way for implementation of the agreement. In 1992, as mentioned earlier, Tin Bigha corridor was opened for the first time and continues to operate.

India’s official position: India Bangladesh Relatioship Documents

Your claim, therefore, is baseless (why am I not surprised?). The delay was because of series of litigation, and not because of India’s ‘lack of sense of reciprocity’. Unfortunately, politicians in Bangladesh, stoked up hatred against India on this delay, without letting their constituents know of the truth. Even unfortunate is that educated Bangladeshi’s still prefer wear a pair of blinkers.

I, however, find it amusing that a Bangladeshi is accusing India of ‘lack of sense of reciprocity’. Good joke my friend. Good joke indeed.
During the 1971 War of Independence, India just moved its border posts in places like Padua. So, there was that border war in 2001.
That’s another BS. Padua has always been in India’s possession since 1947, just as Boraibari was in Pakistan’s possession. Both these lands were disputed pieces of land – Pakistan claiming Padua while India claiming Boraibari. During 1971 Bangladesh’s war of Independence, Padua was used by the Mukti Bahinis as their camp. BSF were also using this as a camp for the obvious reason that the Mukti Bahinis were being trained by the Indians. Later after the war, BSF continued to hold the camps, just as Boraibari continued to be held by Bangladeshis. If Padua is considered by Bangladesh as ‘adverse possession’ under India’s control, Boraibari is similarly considered by India as ‘adverse possession’ under Bangladesh’s control.

Strange you remember Padua, but selectively forgot Boraibari. Get off that high horse. Will ya.

And that border skirmish in 2001 was nothing more than a bunch of trigger happy BDR's adventurism. Give it a rest.
Along the common rivers, when a river breaks its bank and moves towards BD, India would force a new international border. It would unilaterally move the border to center of the altered river channel. Is it acceptable?
It is acceptable, till both the river banks are within the Bangladesh, and it is accepted by both India and Bangladesh. As long as one bank is within India, the international border will run through the middle of the river. That’s the international norm. Rivers are not only meandering into Bangladesh, bank erosion is effecting India as well.
India would grudgingly build dams/barrages to divert water from international water bodies. It has happened to both BD and Pakistan.
Why not? Why do you expect that India should jeopardize the interest of its own citizen?

Bharoter manush ki baner joley bheshey esheche naki?
It is true also for our maritime territories as well. It claims South Talpatti and other areas in the sea.
Every country whose economic zone overlaps with another, has problems. Bangladesh has maritime problems with Mayanmar as well. Should someone read it as Bangladesh ‘bullying’ Mayanmar?
A bullying big neighbour like India is not good for its smaller neighbours. Look at the map, India is so big, yet it acts so small that it encroaches upon a tiny country like BD……

India bullies its neighbours, and, therefore, is also disliked by them. India has an attitude problem and it should be rectified, if peace to be established in the region.
I don't expect anything better from a bunch of people growing up on a (un)healthy diet of hate, half truths, disinformation and half baked ideas. Just so you know, earth's axis doesn't pass through your Bangladesh.
 
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Ok smarty pants. Water is not only withdrawn in Farakka but major water is already withdrawn in UP and Bihar and we are only talking about the water at Farakka point, even where there is not much water. All other source (tributaries)of water that you mentioned is marginal and Padma is basically a major distributaries not only in Inida but in Bangladesh. we have more than 20 rivers died due to lack of water in Padma.
Secondly there is no question of debate here, as your own government already admitted that, Tipaimuk will not be as devastating as Ganges for Bangladesh.
You need to come in Bangladesh and see how many millions of people displaced due to Padma. Our citiey slumps are getting filled everyday.
I had always thought that you are one of those few sane people around here. Alas. I was wrong.:disagree:

That Farakka gambit doesn't work anymore, not after 1996 water sharing agreement. First, a few minor corrections. Padma is not a distributary, but the mainstream, which in India is called the Ganges. Further down the stream, it is joined by the Brahmaputra. I didn't claim "all other sources" were primary for Padma. I have, if I recall correctly, pointed out a technical error in the report that was provided as some sort of an evidence. Maybe you should read first before hitting the reply button.

You have claimed 20 rivers, that newsreport claimed15, another will claim 25. How many rivers have actually dried up? And how many of those can be directly attributed to Farakka?

According to the 1996 treaty, if the water available at Farakka exceeds 75,000 cusec then India will get 40,000 cusec and Bangladesh the entire balance. Only if the water available at Farakka is 70,000 cusec or low, will the both countries share water equally. This means that India, under no circumstance will get anything more than 40,000 cusec of water. If you are wondering, Farakka barrage’s maximum capacity to divert water into the feeder canal is 40,000 cusec. India, therefore is bound, technically to maximum of 40,000 cusec only. Even if India wants, it can't steal water in the middle of the night.

[On a side note, the figure of 70,000/75,000 cusec of water available at Farakka, was calculated on a 40 (1949 – 1988) years average of water available at Farakka. This average was itself flawed, because it never took account of the gradual decline of availability of water at Farakka due to irrigational channels carved out of the Ganges in the upper reaches, over that period of 40 years. This resulted in a skewed and unrealistic higher average. A better and more realistic average would have been if recent years, circa 1989, were considered only, leaving out the 40s through 70s. Today India struggles to keep up its commitment, because of that error, and in the process killing Haldia port - a slow but a sure death.]

You have willingly omitted to mention hundreds of channels carved out of Padma resulting in decrease in water level; numerous bridges built across the river, expediting the siltation process. You have even pinned the blame of overcrowded city slums to Farakka barrage. Strange, that population growth rate of 2% seems inconsequential to you.

What next. Somebody claiming that his irritable bowel syndrome is because of Farakka. I won't be surprised though.
 
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I can only say if we want any part of Bangladesh, then we could have captured it in 1971..
Frens plz dont Blame India just bcoz u get pleasure and sense of achievement in doing that..
U should be thankful to India that we gave u freedom otherwise u also would have suffered with same Taliban and their frens. And Uncle Sam would be sitting on ur chest by now.
We have good relations with Bangladesh government so try to use that build on that.
 
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I can only say if we want any part of Bangladesh, then we could have captured it in 1971..
Frens plz dont Blame India just bcoz u get pleasure and sense of achievement in doing that..
U should be thankful to India that we gave u freedom otherwise u also would have suffered with same Taliban and their frens. And Uncle Sam would be sitting on ur chest by now.
We have good relations with Bangladesh government so try to use that build on that.

Jeet it is not just balming for blaming. Most of the accusition are true.
But before blaming India we should blame ourselves first.
 
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Hey Toxic

'I don't expect anything better from a bunch of people growing up on a (un)healthy diet of hate, half truths, disinformation and half baked ideas.'

The nail on the head buddy, I couldn't have said it any better.
 
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no good crying wolf now you need to join in confederation with pakistan and come under its nuclear umbrella then the indians will wet their pants.
 
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I think toxic's last post was a very imformative one,with details about the farakka dam and the strings attached with it.,......would like some replies to that particular post from the bangladeshi point of view
 
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First, a few minor corrections. Padma is not a distributary, but the mainstream, which in India is called the Ganges. Further down the stream, it is joined by the Brahmaputra.

The bottom image should clear your confusion

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According to the 1996 treaty, if the water available at Farakka exceeds 75,000 cusec then India will get 40,000 cusec and Bangladesh the entire balance. Only if the water available at Farakka is 70,000 cusec or low, will the both countries share water equally.

This average was itself flawed, because it never took account of the gradual decline of availability of water at Farakka due to irrigational channels carved out of the Ganges in the upper reaches, over that period of 40 years.

That is why we always ask the governemt to double check in any indian led treaty. There must be always a Zilapir Patch
How the hell AL agreed to the water sharing at Farakka point whereas India withdrew the water long before.

Above all we accepted Farakka whatever it is. But our wishfull thinking should be that India as a neighbour will not do it again in other river.
 
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I can only say if we want any part of Bangladesh, then we could have captured it in 1971..
Frens plz dont Blame India just bcoz u get pleasure and sense of achievement in doing that..
U should be thankful to India that we gave u freedom otherwise u also would have suffered with same Taliban and their frens. And Uncle Sam would be sitting on ur chest by now.
We have good relations with Bangladesh government so try to use that build on that.

Sorry to tell you buddy, your words are too arrogant. If India is so much in love for freedom and independence, then it should give freedom to the Kashmiris. Instead, you have mobilized more than 700,000 of your troops to control their freedom.

By the way, was not it due to the direct assistance by our freedom fighters in 1971 that gave you the ONLY war victory in the recent past? So, India should come to us, bow to us and express thanks for that deed every year on Dec. 16. It should not be the other way.

At least Indira Gandhi was not that stupid to try such a thing as to occupy our country. She certainly knew what a quagmire the effort could be. If you think your country did a mistake in 1971, then come with all your million troops to occupy us. You will get the same slapping that you have received in the 2001 Padua/Roumari battle.

You had put 400 + 400 IA troops for the offence, and the BDR defenders at the border outpost numbered only 13. BDR troops did not blink at the news of 400 IA troops, but gave a short prayer to Allah Almighty, embraced each other, sought forgiveness for any wrongdoings, and then fought violently and killed 97 of your troops. Do not believe in the official figure of 16 IA dead, it was 97 including the Commanding Officer. 3 BDR troops died, but history was made.

You may boast of your quantity of weapons and number of troops, but you will never come near us in terms of bravery which cannot be measured in number. Your troops come to kill, but our troops go to die. That makes the real difference.

We have already seen in Bombay what your commandoes are capable of doing. So, please do not boast about your military strength and do not wet dream of occupying our land. Better watch things that may unravel in your NE.
 
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