India 'too late' in artillery modernisation: Army chief

[KS]

Man you people are full of it, lost for words hence copy the topic as your own POV. :lol
Any words on your General Choudhary's invitation for victory celebrations.

yes Indeed im lost for words.But not thinking abt myself,but by ther crappy propaganda u ppl were drilled with.
The fact that we crushed ur border defences and our tanks came within firing range of Lahore shows who lost and who won.

Almost 50 years later and you people are still in merry go around, for your crappy analyst, let me remind you the war lasted some 22 days and papers don't cover only once, i could have posted articles from half dozen different papers but then we are dealing with people in denial.

U posted from three links (two were from Sunday times on the same day)..i gave u a dozen links from different authors,reporters around the world.
Ohh yeah its us who r living in denial...Wake up kid.

When a nation almost ten times the size is obsessed with the smaller neighbor, it's not far from the truth, is it now.

India is ten times the size of Pakistan???!!!!..Now that is news to me...Mayb u need a crash course in geography or u can send in ur geography books to me so that i can update my knowledge.

as far as i knew in 65 area of Pakistan = 1 million sq km (east + west) while India was 3 million sq km.

Post 1971 and it's termed, second liberation of India. Sit in your tight corner and work that out. BTW, here is another needle into your hot air balloon.

So u couldn digest the links that i ve provided and now scurrying for cover by posting some delusional rant...Mate i totally understand..

 

[Ahmed Mehmood]

India 'too late' in artillery modernisation!
well, if u want some, come get some!

 

[shaktiman2010]

@topic,

Agreed.

Indian army is behind in everything. But tops the world in corruption and running behind import agents, honeytraps.

 

[illuminatidinesh]

Making the biggest enemy to the tanks.
and support ground troops?
And I don't know which catogory.
I think they mean the catogory of Attak Helicopter.
The only thing that is better or more on the longbow is longer operational range(due to bigger fueltanks),maybe better armour but on the t-129 its not publiced i think(due heavier longbow) and it can carry 4 more HellFireII missiles.
but since rocketsan provides t-129 better missiles and rockets i say those 4 more will be filled with better rockets and missiles.

Also about how indigenous t-129 is..
Engine from USA from RAH-66.(increases 20% more then the a-129).
Radar from Israel(better then longbow radar).
Chassis from a-129.
Systems and armanent 100% turkish recources.
From rocketsan and aselsan(i think).. and etc...
xMustiiej70 is online now Reply With Quote

Kid do u even know the spec for hellfire I?/?
U r talking about the HELLFIREII.

 

[illuminatidinesh]

@topic,

Agreed.

Indian army is behind in everything. But tops the world in corruption and running behind import agents, honeytraps.

And nobody in here says otherwise..... What is the problem with U man?
Y all ur post stinks?

 

[xMustiiej70]

Kid do u even know the spec for hellfire I?/?
U r talking about the HELLFIREII.

yes i do know.
the UMTAS is both better then HellfireI and II and also the israeli spik-ER.

 

[letsbefriends]

yes i do know.
the UMTAS is both better then HellfireI and II and also the israeli spik-ER.

any sources abt this claim??? or u r jst high???

 

[illuminatidinesh]

yes i do know.
the UMTAS is both better then HellfireI and II and also the israeli spik-ER.

UMTAS (Long Range Anti Tank System) (Turkey), Air-to-surface missiles - Direct attack

Type
Infra-red guided battlefield missile

Development
Rocketsan is leading the development of a new anti-tank missile to arm the Turkish Army's TAI/AgustaWestland T-129 ATAK combat helicopters. The weapon is known currently as UMTAS (Uzun Menzilli Tanksavar Projesi, or the Long Range Anti Tank system/LRAT). The UMTAS programme was launched by Turkey's Undersecretariat of the Defence Industry in 2005, specifically to equip the ATAK. A three-step schedule for design, development and production was set out, extending to the end of this decade. The initial design phase was put under contract in September 2005 and was completed in early 2008. Phase 2 (development) work was placed under contract in July 2008. This work is expected to continue to 2011 or 2012. The UMTAS project has been shown in drawings and model form, but with little information released on its development status. Rocketsan is looking to produce versions of the missile that can be vehicle-launched, as well as air-launched, and also intends to offer the UMTAS for export.

I think u r just saying what it is typed in the wiki... Is it not?
U dont want to know the lethality of the HELLFIRE believe me. It does have two meaning HELL-- Helicopter FIRE---fired.... But I take this HELL-- From hell, FIRE--- Fire...

 

[KS]

I think u r just saying what it is typed in the wiki... Is it not?
U dont want to know the lethality of the HELLFIRE believe me. It does have two meaning HELL-- Helicopter FIRE---fired.... But I take this HELL-- From hell, FIRE--- Fire...

Arey leave his posts(Xmus-watever)....some one aptly said he is the new shchinese of the forum.
But even shchinese didn claim their J-10 is better than F-16 or their attack chopper Z-10 is better than Apache.

 

[Dark Angel]

I guess india always comes back with a bang

and by the way is pakistan getting M777 i dont think soooooooooo

 

[xMustiiej70]

Here the ******* source where it says they said both hellfire and spike-ER.

UMTAS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read the last sentence.
And also.. look when hellfire was made.
and look when umtas is made.
Why isn't it possible that Turkey or rocketsan(turkish industries) can make best missile for helis?
Why so much jealous?
Have you ever seen the power of umtas? have you seen the capablebilities?
the only thing you see is hellfire firing on the apache and your already sold.

 

[KS]

Here the ******* source where it says they said both hellfire and spike-ER.

UMTAS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read the last sentence.

Now u have a look at the same page.

UMTAS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kiddo any one with a basic knowledge of html can create wiki pages..So better luck next time with some credible links.

And also.. look when hellfire was made.
and look when umtas is made.
Why isn't it possible that Turkey or rocketsan(turkish industries) can make best missile for helis?
Why so much jealous?

Nobody is jealous of u...What have we Indians got to do with u..But we just cant bear some making absolutely rubbish claims of beating the US in technology wen u urselves are dependent on them for ur fighters,helis etc.

Have you ever seen the power of umtas? have you seen the capablebilities?
the only thing you see is hellfire firing on the apache and your already sold.

First of alll have u seen that..? Why dont u post some credible links comparing ur Atak with the Longbow or ur misiles with them..?

ooopps i forgot..U dont have any.....

 

[xMustiiej70]

Now u have a look at the same page.

UMTAS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kiddo any one with a basic knowledge of html can create wiki pages..So better luck next time with some credible links.




Nobody is jealous of u...What have we Indians got to do with u..But we just cant bear some making absolutely rubbish claims of beating the US in technology wen u urselves are dependent on them for ur fighters,helis etc.




First of alll have u seen that..? Why dont u post some credible links comparing ur Atak with the Longbow or ur misiles with them..?

ooopps i forgot..U dont have any.....

Funny guy.. Dont worry that edit you made will be deleted in 5 minutes.
while the sentence of the page before you ediited lasted since it was writting.
Also.. Do not worry..
the fat fuel drinking apache wont be the best anymore.
The T-129 will rule and be best attack heli.
Wait... india dont have apaches?
why u defend apaches?
ooh i get it..
INDIA HAS NO ******* PROPER ATTACK HELICOPTER
AUWAUHWUAHWUAWHAUWHUAHWAUHWUH

 

[xMustiiej70]

T-129

General characteristics
Crew: 2 pilots
Length: 14.6 m (47 ft 11 in)
Rotor diameter: 11.90 m (39 ft 0 in)
Height: 3.4 m (11 ft 2 in)
Disc area: 444.9 m² (4,789 ft&#178
Max takeoff weight: 5,000 kg (11,023 lb)
Powerplant: 2× LHTEC CTS800-4A turboshaft, 1,014 kW (1,361 shp) each
Propellers: five blade rotor
Performance
Cruise speed: 269 km/h (145 knots, 167 mph)
Range: 561 km (303 nm, 341 mi)
Ferry range: 1,000 km (540 nm, 620 mi)
Service ceiling: 20.000 ft (6096 m) ()
Armament
Guns: 1× 20 mm (0.787 in) three-barrel gatling-type cannon (500 rounds)
Rockets: 4 pods with
38× 81 mm (3.19 in) unguided rockets or
76× 70 mm (2.75 in) unguided rockets or
12.7 mm machine gun-pod
Missiles:
8× AGM-114 Hellfire, BGM-71 TOW, Hydra 70, Spike-ER, UMTAS, Roketsan Cirit anti-tank and anti-armor missiles and Sura D/Snora.
4-8× AIM-92 Stinger or Mistral or AIM-9 Sidewinder anti-aircraft missiles

Apache 64D longbow.

General characteristics
Crew: 2 (pilot, and co-pilot/gunner)
Length: 58.17 ft (17.73 m) (with both rotors turning)
Rotor diameter: 48 ft 0 in (14.63 m)
Height: 12.7 ft (3.87 m)
Disc area: 1,809.5 ft² (168.11 m&#178
Empty weight: 11,387 lb (5,165 kg)
Loaded weight: 17,650 lb (8,000 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 23,000 lb (10,433 kg)
Powerplant: 2× General Electric T700-GE-701 and later upgraded to T700-GE-701C (1990-present) & T700-GE-701D (AH-64D block III) turboshafts, -701: 1,690 shp, -701C: 1,890 shp, -701D: 2,000 shp (-701: 1,260 kW, -701C: 1,490 kW, -701D: 1,490 kW) each
Fuselage length: 49 ft 5 in (15.06 m)
Rotor systems: 4 blade main rotor, 4 blade tail rotor in non-orthogonal alignment
Performance
Never exceed speed: 197 knots (227 mph, 365 km/h)
Maximum speed: 158 knots (182 mph, 293 km/h)
Cruise speed: 143 knots (165 mph, 265 km/h)
Range: 257 nmi (295 mi, 476 km) with Longbow radar mast
Combat radius: 260 nmi (300 mi, 480 km)
Ferry range: 1,024 nmi (1,180 mi, 1,900 km)
Service ceiling: 21,000 ft (6,400 m) minimum loaded
Rate of climb: 2,500 ft/min (12.7 m/s)
Disc loading: 9.80 lb/ft² (47.9 kg/m&#178
Power/mass: 0.18 hp/lb (310 W/kg)
Armament
Guns: 1× 30 × 113 mm (1.18 × 4.45 in) M230 Chain Gun with 1,200 rounds
Hardpoints: Up to 6 pylon stations on stub wing
Rockets: Hydra 70 FFAR rockets
Missiles: combination of AGM-114 Hellfire, AIM-9 Sidewinder, and AIM-92 Stinger
Avionics
Lockheed Martin / Northrop Grumman AN/APG-78 Longbow[149] (Note: can only be mounted on the AH-64D)

 

[xMustiiej70]

and due to smaller t-129 model.
the manoevrebility of t-129 is WAY better.