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India to test subsonic cruise missile in February

ok that makes sense...

So Brahmos may not find a submarine role anytime soon?

Why not but not from a SSBN. Its too high a cost for SSBN to go for anti ship or attack role. It can be used on conventional diesel subs or SSK's like INS Chakra (Akula) to strike enemy's ports and coastal cities.
 
Why not but not from a SSBN. Its too high a cost for SSBN to go for anti ship or attack role. It can be used on conventional diesel subs or SSK's like INS Chakra (Akula) to strike enemy's ports and coastal cities.

What we can expect is arihant being a tech demonstrator.. from here we will have two classes of submarines, SSNs and SSBNs.
SSBN is coming up fine..what we need is a long term plan for the SSN.

P75I will cover SSGN aspect I guess..
 
What we can expect is arihant being a tech demonstrator.. from here we will have two classes of submarines, SSNs and SSBNs.
SSBN is coming up fine..what we need is a long term plan for the SSN.

P75I will cover SSGN aspect I guess..
There is a long term plan for SSNs.................it was mentioned along with the plan for Arihant Follow-Up submarine-
Deep impact : DEFENCE - India Today
and here too follow on to Arihant is mentioned-
Two more yrs for Arihant's induction in operational roles: Navy : Latest Headlines, News - India Today

I think the estimates for total number of SSNs to be built eventually as an escort to Arihant Follow on were 7-9, but I'll have to search for a link.......
 
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Range , 400km.
Speed , Mach 4.
Weight 1 ton, with a 400 kg high explosive shaped warhead.

brahmos check and mate my son.
:victory:
Can you please provide a credible source about a test flight and/or a video of the same??
Until it has been tested it might as well have a 1000 kms range and a speed of mach 10, but it will still be of no use.........
 
What we can expect is arihant being a tech demonstrator.. from here we will have two classes of submarines, SSNs and SSBNs.
SSBN is coming up fine..what we need is a long term plan for the SSN.

P75I will cover SSGN aspect I guess..

Unfortunately there is no cut out plans for SSN. P75I will merely deal with next gen diesel subs with advance AIP and VLS systems.

IMO we need more Akula type nuclear powered SSK to attack ports and coastal cities of enemies to bring naval blockade.
 
I Am 100% sure that Air version of Brahmos is different and lighter and they are already working on it .so They can easily put 3 Brahmos in Su30MKI .but to say it can carry 3 X 2500 Brahmos easy only possible in Paper .




Su-30 can carry a 4 ton Moskit on the centerline....

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The usual nonesense !!! :disagree:

Your desperate troll attempts were debunkt before, the missile has roughly half the range and is supersonic ONLY in the terminal stage, it is not even meant to be used against carriers as senior Pakistani and Chinese members showed with Chinese sources and JF 17 carrying 2 of them with a single fuel tank would not even come close to a carrier, since it's range will be limited, it will be detected and intecepted far before the missiles could even be launched. Even if they would be launched, beeing subsonic for most of the flight path, UNLIKE Brahmos, makes them easier to counter too.

Isn't it getting boring to try the same lame points on and on again?

On range: I see "the missile flies a rare high ballistic trajectory... specifications: weight 900kg, max range 240km, max speed Mach 5.5 (at diving stage?) " at Huitong's blog and I very much trust Huitong. Even if it were half that (i.e. 120km) it could be air-launched well beyond most ships' SAM range, effectively making interception by land- or carrier-aviation the only possible hard-counter. IIRC Brahmos range is 300km on a high-low trajectory and 220km at a low-low trajectory. Also consider that, at present, IN has only a handfull of SHARs operationals. At least untill Vikramaditya finally joins the fleet. But even then, she would carry a maximum of 16 Mig-29K, of which only some would be on CAP and ready to intercept at a moment's notice. As for PAF, just because JF17 can carry 2 CM-400 plus fuel does not mean it has to carry this load. It could just as easily carry only 1 on centerline with 2 underwing fuel tanks (which would give 2200 liters of fuel, rather than 800) or 1 CM-40 under one wing and a fuel tank on the wing on the other side. That plus flying as a package would provide some capability against a carrier even in the face of resistance. As Falklands/Malvinas has shown, it is very difficult to stop a determined attack. Much more so if it is executed by multiple packages along multiple axes. And even more when coordinated with e.g. sub-launched AShM.

As for speed being supersonic 'only' during the terminal stage of attack, how does that disqualify the CM-800? By comparison, the 3E54 Klub-member also is only supersonic during the last 20km of flight (terminal speed mach 2.9). Its range is 200 km with a 200 kg warhead. You're essentially disqualifying IN's main submarine launched anti-ship missile....

Can you please provide a credible source about a test flight and/or a video of the same??
Until it has been tested it might as well have a 1000 kms range and a speed of mach 10, but it will still be of no use.........

http://chinese-military-aviation.blogspot.nl/p/missiles-iii.html
see endnotes here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YJ-12
 
Russia to supply engines for India's Lakshya UAVs

India has contract with NPO-Saturn for Technology Transfer of TRDD-50MT engine and recently bought enough of these engines from the company..
With Dry thrust of 500KG the engine is enough for a Nirbhay sized Cruise missile...

So even if the engine is being made in house,its a Russian Design being produced under License not an indigenous engine..

Nirbhay is not based on Lakshya UAV.... different engine, indigenous design
 
You in your senses?

Zhuhai Airshow reported parameters

The Designer of CM-400AKG said that
The CM-400AKG a dedicated air-to-ground missile for the standoff. The CM-400AKG throughout maneuvering within the atmosphere, supersonic penetration capability. Terminal guidance using infrared and graphics matching a variety of ways, the off-target rate is very low. Similar to the advanced Russian Iskander missiles in the way of performance and penetration.
 
Even if it were half that (i.e. 120km) it could be air-launched well beyond most ships' SAM range, effectively making interception by land- or carrier-aviation the only possible hard-counter.

But ship board SAMs are only one of the last defence capabilities, the first the launch fighter must get close enough without beeing detected by air defence fighters of the carrier and even if launched, the fighters still will be the first choice to incetept them. Not to forget that Barak 8 most likely would intercept it before it reaches it's terminal stage too.
Compare that to a Brahmos launched from an MKI at high speed and altitude, with supersonic speed of the missile itself and extended range. Simply a whole different case, but Safiriz still desperately triese to find similarities and that was the point.



But even then, she would carry a maximum of 16 Mig-29K, of which only some would be on CAP...

...That plus flying as a package would provide some capability against a carrier even in the face of resistance.

That's not correct, the carrier is aimed on up to 30 aircrafts, of which around 22 are estimated to be fighters. 16 was only the first order in combination with the carrier procurement, but as you know, the final air wing is meant to operate N-LCAs as well.

The attack package would still need to get close enough to fire the missiles, but with CAPs and AEWs that will more difficult and Indo-Pak scenario is not comparable to the Falkland war either. IN carriers would be supported by IAFs shorebased capabilities as well, be it UAVs, AWACS, or maritime attack fighters, like the upgraded Mig 29s too. So to effectively pose a threat to an Indian carrier, you have to have not only a pretty good ammount of fighters, which is unlikely, since PAF will need them to keep IAF in check and other weaponary.
Besides the hype about this missile, Raad and C802 will be the first choices imo, while this missile will be mainly used for cross border air to ground attacks, as the Chinese sources suggest as well, since it is advertised as an air to ground missile, not an anti ship missile.


You're essentially disqualifying IN's main submarine launched anti-ship missile....

Not really, because your country men compared it to Brahmos and not to the Klub missiles for example, like you corretly did. So the speed is a disadvantage compared to the earlier and that was my point!


CM-400AKG is a derivative of YJ-12 and CM-400AKG has a reduced range of 180 to 250 km in order to meet the export restriction of Missile Technology Control Regime.

How is that possible, since both are different missiles with different propulsion systems? YJ-12 is supposed to have a Ramjet propulsion and depending on which picture we take as a source, it is either base on the Russian Kh 31 propulsion, or copied from the French ASMP-A.
 

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