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On MiG Fighters, Air Chief Says "No One Drives Even Cars That Old"


https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/on-...says-no-one-drives-even-cars-that-old-2087702

The analogy is not apt.

Cars are suppose to have a life of 15-20 years while Fighter planes are supposed to have a life of 30-40 years.

India to Shelve Costly Jaguar Upgrade Plan - Opt for More Su-30MKI Jets
August-19th-2019

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Indian Air Force Jaguar Attack Jet


The Indian Air Force reportedly intends to shelve plans for costly engine upgrades for its ageing fleet of Jaguar attack jets, and is instead considering further acquisitions of the Su-30MKI twin seat heavyweight fighters to replace them. Jaguar jets currently rely on Rolls Royce Adour 811 engines of which were acquired in the 1980s, but these have since seen a considerable reduction in their performances which prevents the aircraft from operating optimally or carrying a full combat load. The Air Force reportedly considered acquiring Honeywell F125IN engines from the United States for integration onto the Jaguar to restore its capabilities, but given the age of the aircraft themselves and the price of the engines the cost effectiveness of such a purchase remains questionable. India is currently the only operator of the Jaguar, with all aircraft deployed by European and Middle Eastern states long since retired. The effectiveness of the aircraft even in upgraded form against the defences of neighbouring Pakistan and China, which both deploy a number of advanced anti aircraft systems from HQ-16 air defence systems to PL-12 air to air missiles, has also been brought to serious question.


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Indian Air Force Su-30MKI, Jaguar Attack Jet and Tejas Light Fighter

A source quoted by Indian media regarding the new deal stated regarding the cost of the upgrade: “The price quoted by Honeywell and the HAL for ‘re-engining’ is just too high. For the price of two such upgrades, we can get one basic Rafale.” It is considered likely that some and possibly all of India’s six Jaguar squadrons will be retired and replaced with the Su-30MKI, a fighter which is also highly capable in a ground attack role and benefits from a twin seat configuration and a far heavier and more modern airframe. The platform's powerful sensors, high speed and altitude and long range make it a potentially ideal strike fighter, and it is compatible with a number of high end munitions from indigenous BrahMos cruise missiles to Israeli SPICE guided bombs and a wide range of advanced Russian guided munitions. The fighters are produced in India under license, currently forming the mainstay of the Indian fleet with over 250 in service, and those which may replace Jaguar squadrons are likely to be equipped primarily for ground attack. Even when configured in such a way, the Su-30MKI will still be far more survivable if engaged by enemy aircraft and can deploy formidable defensive armaments such as the indigenous Astra and Russian R-27 air to air missiles without significantly compromising its air to ground payload.


There is a political angle to this.

UK has supported Pakistan at the UNSC while France has supported India.

Hence India has decided to dump the Jaguar upgrade plan and is planning to go for additional French Mirage-2000s instead.
 
Mig21 is much advanced and capable than f7 of PAF but we never cry about flying old f7 pg so I think IAF should not blame others and find excuses to hide incapability of his pilots
 
Since Feb 27th, their tattered arse has stopped shitting gold


What has happened to richie rich India?? :hitwall:

I thought even a sentry in Indian military has a million dollar in his pocket anytime anyday

At least that's what bharatis portrayed in past few years
 

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On MiG Fighters, Air Chief Says "No One Drives Even Cars That Old"


https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/on-...says-no-one-drives-even-cars-that-old-2087702
Life cycle of cars and planes are completely different. Cars maybe considered old if more than 20 years, but an aircraft as long as maintained and upgraded can go on for 30+ years easily. Thats the minimum life cycle I think a lot of civil airframes are designed for. Additionally its also the number of hours that matter.
Amazed to hear this from a high ranking personnel of a professional air-force.
 
Indian Air Force To Order 40 More Sukhoi Su-30 MKI Jets From HAL As Jaguar Engine Upgrade Plan Dies

by Swarajya Staff - Aug 21 2019, 1:19 pm,




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Sukhoi Su-30 MKI (pic via Twitter)


The Indian Air Force has made it one of its top priorities to acquire 40 additional Sukhoi Su-30 MKI jets from state run defence manufacturer Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). The IAF has also nearly finalised an order for eight Sukhois as a replacement for the jets which have been lost over the years in accidents, Livefist has reported.

As per the report, back in February HAL had made this offer to supply 40 additional jets which is now being seriously considered by both the IAF and the government.

If this additional order comes through, HAL’s license to build these Russian Sukhois (which is expected to expire this year) would need to be extended. The decks for the same have already been cleared by the government.

What is now working in favour of this deal is the IAF’s decision to scrap the engine upgrade of its Jaguar aircraft to extend their flight life to 2030s after engine manufacturer Honeywell’s quoted price of $2.4 billion was deemed too high.

IAF had initially planned to retire 40 of its 120 Jaguars by the mid 2020s and upgrade the engines of the remaining 80 jets to increase their life by 10 years.


https://swarajyamag.com/insta/india...s-from-hal-as-jaguar-engine-upgrade-plan-dies


Indian Air Force To Order 40 More Sukhoi Su-30 MKI Jets From HAL As Jaguar Engine Upgrade Plan Dies

by Swarajya Staff - Aug 21 2019, 1:19 pm,




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Sukhoi Su-30 MKI (pic via Twitter)


The Indian Air Force has made it one of its top priorities to acquire 40 additional Sukhoi Su-30 MKI jets from state run defence manufacturer Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). The IAF has also nearly finalised an order for eight Sukhois as a replacement for the jets which have been lost over the years in accidents, Livefist has reported.

As per the report, back in February HAL had made this offer to supply 40 additional jets which is now being seriously considered by both the IAF and the government.

If this additional order comes through, HAL’s license to build these Russian Sukhois (which is expected to expire this year) would need to be extended. The decks for the same have already been cleared by the government.

What is now working in favour of this deal is the IAF’s decision to scrap the engine upgrade of its Jaguar aircraft to extend their flight life to 2030s after engine manufacturer Honeywell’s quoted price of $2.4 billion was deemed too high.

IAF had initially planned to retire 40 of its 120 Jaguars by the mid 2020s and upgrade the engines of the remaining 80 jets to increase their life by 10 years.


https://swarajyamag.com/insta/india...s-from-hal-as-jaguar-engine-upgrade-plan-dies

This Actually makes sense.

Its stupid to pay 2.4 Billion USD to upgrade the engine of 80 Jaguars, The upgrade would have added just 10 years to the life of Jaguar, a 3.5 gen fighter
Its better to get 40 additional Su30mki , which can do the same job as 80 Jaguars
 

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