India to push for freeing Internet from U.S. control

[IndoCarib]

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can you do anything else apart from keep harping on PISA. Your 9 out 10 posts are on PISA.

 

[Fattyacids]

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can you do anything else apart from keep harping on PISA. Your 9 out 10 posts are on PISA.

Are you literate? PISA was never the subject matter until a certain Indian brought it up.

 

[danger007]

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can you do anything else apart from keep harping on PISA. Your 9 out 10 posts are on PISA.

No he can't and he will not... how can he get paid otherwise...

 

[BigDaddyWatch]

Good for India! The Snowden revelations have already costs US tech companies almost 180 billion dollars in business around the world as countries like China, India, Brazil, Russia and others are turning away from US tech. And companies like IBM and others have seen double digits falls in their sales in those countries and beyond.

 

[fallstuff]

You can never get rid of the US control of Internet if you want the concept of Internet

The term "Internet" means a network shared internationally, and as long as you can allow US direct access to your webpage, your Internet service is controlled by the American

Take the most basic thing for example, IP address, every webpage acquire an IP address to associated with, you don't need a domain name but IP address is a must, and wonder who manage the IP address allocation? - US government (Internet Assigned Numbers Authority)

The only way you can get rid of the American system is either US relinquish control of the Internet, or the world develops another set of Internet. Either of the choice seems unlikely...

Internet Assigned Numbers Authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They are really not much control at all. Your intranet will run fine, even if the U.S Govt pulls the plug on you.

The internet will run fine all over, as long as you have switches running under the respective nations control.

There is a reason why U.S govt and the Congress raising concern over Huawei routers, Chinese folks working along the same along line are replacing all Cisco routers.

 

[jhungary]

This was already a joke thread, now first let them figure out who invented what.

sigh, i really want to talk about the internet.....

 

[jhungary]

They are really not much control at all. Your intranet will run fine, even if the U.S Govt pulls the plug on you.

The internet will run fine all over, as long as you have switches running under the respective nations control.

There is a reason why U.S govt and the Congress raising concern over Huawei routers, Chinese folks working along the same along line are replacing all Cisco routers.

It's not like that.

First of all, the IP address currently assoicated with both intra-net and Inter-net is based on a single number protocol, which address to use to associate between your host and your client. If the US pull out the address system, first of all, all the webpage currently in the internet will have no place to go, you will have no access to any server in the world. As the number system does not exist anymore. The IP address would be useless. Intranet will still suffered, but not as bad.

Second problem assoicated to this is, even if the rest of the world develope a new system, the current data would also need to migrate to the new system, and when the US pull the plug on IPs, everything currently in the internet will be lost forever. You will need all brand new infrastructure, protocol and most of all, server routing protocol to restart the whole internet. This would be the second biggest diaster than a global EMP event fried all data server.....

Scientists calculate total data stored to date: 295+ exabytes - Computerworld

Currently, the internet data reached 295 exabytes, that's 295 billion gigabytes based on a US governmental network, you can of course restart the whole intenet, but how long it will take you to restore 295 billions gigabyte data on your new net is unknown.

Actually the US does not like Huawei (or any other country) touching their telcomm infrastructure is to prevent any hard hacking (by putting bugs directly in our data line to filter information) most of the most confidential data US holding is on a non-routing self-contained server. You cannot hack them remotely in anyway and can only be hack by literal hackign into direct communication infrastructure. That's telephone exchange and fibre optics cable.

They can replace any Cisco router anywhere they want, but the fact will remain, more than half the internet protocol are based in the US, where IP/DNS/DCHP are monopolised by the American already, China have only little way to influence the current internet technology.

 

[Indian Tiger]

It's not like that.

First of all, the IP address currently assoicated with both intra-net and Inter-net is based on a single number protocol, which address to use to associate between your host and your client. If the US pull out the address system, first of all, all the webpage currently in the internet will have no place to go, you will have no access to any server in the world. As the number system does not exist anymore. The IP address would be useless. Intranet will still suffered, but not as bad.

Second problem assoicated to this is, even if the rest of the world develope a new system, the current data would also need to migrate to the new system, and when the US pull the plug on IPs, everything currently in the internet will be lost forever. You will need all brand new infrastructure, protocol and most of all, server routing protocol to restart the whole internet. This would be the second biggest diaster than a global EMP event fried all data server.....

Scientists calculate total data stored to date: 295+ exabytes - Computerworld

Currently, the internet data reached 295 exabytes, that's 295 billion gigabytes based on a US governmental network, you can of course restart the whole intenet, but how long it will take you to restore 295 billions gigabyte data on your new net is unknown.

Actually the US does not like Huawei (or any other country) touching their telcomm infrastructure is to prevent any hard hacking (by putting bugs directly in our data line to filter information) most of the most confidential data US holding is on a non-routing self-contained server. You cannot hack them remotely in anyway and can only be hack by literal hackign into direct communication infrastructure. That's telephone exchange and fibre optics cable.

They can replace any Cisco router anywhere they want, but the fact will remain, more than half the internet protocol are based in the US, where IP/DNS/DCHP are monopolised by the American already, China have only little way to influence the current internet technology.

Anyway intranet will workfine. Let US replace the CISCO routers everywhere, thats not going hamper anything on the intranet service, CISCO has the proprietary only for the routing protocol EIGRP, OSPF is common to all, even Huawei,ZTE,Juniper,etc etc, supports this routing protocol. All the servers are not in US, they can only restrict the servers which are in US. only ipv4 was solely designed by US, ipv6 was designed by a large group of technocrats not invented only by US.

 

[fallstuff]

It's not like that.

First of all, the IP address currently assoicated with both intra-net and Inter-net is based on a single number protocol, which address to use to associate between your host and your client. If the US pull out the address system, first of all, all the webpage currently in the internet will have no place to go, you will have no access to any server in the world. As the number system does not exist anymore. The IP address would be useless. Intranet will still suffered, but not as bad.

Second problem assoicated to this is, even if the rest of the world develope a new system, the current data would also need to migrate to the new system, and when the US pull the plug on IPs, everything currently in the internet will be lost forever. You will need all brand new infrastructure, protocol and most of all, server routing protocol to restart the whole internet. This would be the second biggest diaster than a global EMP event fried all data server.....

Scientists calculate total data stored to date: 295+ exabytes - Computerworld

Currently, the internet data reached 295 exabytes, that's 295 billion gigabytes based on a US governmental network, you can of course restart the whole intenet, but how long it will take you to restore 295 billions gigabyte data on your new net is unknown.

Actually the US does not like Huawei (or any other country) touching their telcomm infrastructure is to prevent any hard hacking (by putting bugs directly in our data line to filter information) most of the most confidential data US holding is on a non-routing self-contained server. You cannot hack them remotely in anyway and can only be hack by literal hackign into direct communication infrastructure. That's telephone exchange and fibre optics cable.

They can replace any Cisco router anywhere they want, but the fact will remain, more than half the internet protocol are based in the US, where IP/DNS/DCHP are monopolised by the American already, China have only little way to influence the current internet technology.

Hacking is not the issue being discussed.

DNS servers are hierarchical in nature with the 13 root servers sitting on top. You don't need to reach the root servers every-time you need to resolve a DNS issue. The local DNS severs most of the cases will resolve most DNS searches. There will be problem dealing with new domain names. DHCPs are isuued agaisnt domain names with

If the plug is pulled of those root servers, most of the world will run just fine unless of course Govt issues directives restricting activities which will disrupt traffic world wide. If you have access to the switches that routes traffic world wide, then you got those folks by their cojons.

Internet protocols been out there for a while. How these protocols work is not exactly rocket science any more , they have been around for decades.

 

[jhungary]

Anyway intranet will workfine. Let US replace the CISCO routers everywhere, thats not going hamper anything on the intranet service, CISCO has the proprietary only for the routing protocol EIGRP, OSPF is common to all, even Huawei,ZTE,Juniper,etc etc, supports this routing protocol. All the servers are not in US, they can only restrict the servers which are in US. only ipv4 was solely designed by US, ipv6 was designed by a large group of technocrats not invented only by US.

Lol, you are talking about intranet, not Internet, the problem is, if you want your own network with your own data is your business, but if you want to access outside data, you will need an IP, and US is currently controlling IP address and website location allocation

If US were to pull IP address out tomorrow, the whole internet will be gone, what left is data that firefly connected to your computer.

 

[jhungary]

Hacking is not the issue being discussed.

DNS servers are hierarchical in nature with the 13 root servers sitting on top. You don't need to reach the root servers every-time you need to resolve a DNS issue. The local DNS severs most of the cases will resolve most DNS searches. There will be problem dealing with new domain names. DHCPs are isuued agaisnt domain names with

If the plug is pulled of those root servers, most of the world will run just fine unless of course Govt issues directives restricting activities which will disrupt traffic world wide. If you have access to the switches that routes traffic world wide, then you got those folks by their cojons.

Internet protocols been out there for a while. How these protocols work is not exactly rocket science any more , they have been around for decades.

I am not talkng about DNS, I am talking about address matching

Currently, each webpage were assigned to a unique IP address, for a computer, domain name mean nothing to them, they regonise the route table by regonise the IP they route thru, each router will then provide a forwarding IP address until you have found the target IP.

DNS and domain name is for human regonition only, for us, the number mean nothing, you remember a webpage by its name like yahoo.com rather than by its IP

Problem is, US currently controlling the allocation of IP address, which literally mean they control everything

Say for an example

You want to go visit yahoo.com

The route route is as follow

0.0.0.1 - your computer
1.1.1.1 - router 1
2.2.2.2 - router 2
3.3.3.3 - router 3
And router 3 contain yahoo.com webpage

What US government can do is, they can either fix the assignment to for example 3.3.3.3 to router 4 instead of router 3, then you will never reach yahoo.com as the routed traffic has been changed

Or worse, they can take the whole association out and the number 1.1.1.1 or 2.2.2.2 or 3.3.3.3 mean ABSOLUTLY nothing, then you cannot access anything

Routing protocol were indeed exist for ages, however different type of file transfer are generally not compatible, as I said many time, unless you can build a whole new internet system without using anything currently using, you cannot escape US big brothering, and if you have to do that, that mean a total migration and every single bit of data in the current system will become useless

 

[fallstuff]

I am not talkng about DNS, I am talking about address matching

Currently, each webpage were assigned to a unique IP address, for a computer, domain name mean nothing to them, they regonise the route table by regonise the IP they route thru, each router will then provide a forwarding IP address until you have found the target IP.

DNS and domain name is for human regonition only, for us, the number mean nothing, you remember a webpage by its name like yahoo.com rather than by its IP

Problem is, US currently controlling the allocation of IP address, which literally mean they control everything

Say for an example

You want to go visit yahoo.com

The route route is as follow

0.0.0.1 - your computer
1.1.1.1 - router 1
2.2.2.2 - router 2
3.3.3.3 - router 3
And router 3 contain yahoo.com webpage

What US government can do is, they can either fix the assignment to for example 3.3.3.3 to router 4 instead of router 3, then you will never reach yahoo.com as the routed traffic has been changed

Or worse, they can take the whole association out and the number 1.1.1.1 or 2.2.2.2 or 3.3.3.3 mean ABSOLUTLY nothing, then you cannot access anything

Routing protocol were indeed exist for ages, however different type of file transfer are generally not compatible, as I said many time, unless you can build a whole new internet system without using anything currently using, you cannot escape US big brothering, and if you have to do that, that mean a total migration and every single bit of data in the current system will become useless

Once again you would need to have to those switches ( NAP, routers, hubs .....)unless of course ip and firmware used on those devices and the ip used by the browsers are inherently compromised.

 

[jhungary]

Once again you would need to have to those switches ( NAP, routers, hubs .....)unless of course ip and firmware used on those devices and the ip used by the browsers are inherently compromised.

Umm, it's not a hardware configuration issue if US pull out all IP address.

It's not like a diverted traffic, but rather if the American do that, there are no traffic to route at all as all destination ceased to exist...

You can still access webpage if DNS server is all gone, you only need to type the lP address directly, but if the world do not have a IP address system, your router will not know where to go to specific homepage, it's like you deleted all geographical coordinate on your GPS, they cannot calculate the route anymore.