India to overtake China in seven years, says UN report

[ito]

Being young alone doesn't mean much, as they could very well be the liability rather than asset to a society if there are not enough well paid jobs for them. Don't worry about China, it is moving into Industry 4.0, and the sheer number of cheap laborers is the thing of last century.

Believe me...It is long long way for China to move into Industry 4.0. And no I am not worrying about China. That is your duty. Yes, though I agree with you that young people can be liability, but until the economy is growing at a healthy rate and people get jobs they become an asset. In fact the biggest import of India is its brain power.

 

[mikkix]

Rats Breed like rats

 

[phancong]

Every dollar need to raise a new born that dollar will be taken away from the other children development. Over population major burden to any developing nation. Children perpetually be born into the state of poverty without the proper resource to alter condition their parent placed on them.

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

Rats Breed like rats

says someone from a country that has added 57% to their population since 1998... LOL

 

[ito]

You also have to realized, in the next few decades, Automation and AI is going to wreck everything in the old economy and you will need well fed, highly educated, and ambitious population to build the new economy because you will no longer need 200,000 thousand workers on assembly lines, only 1,000 to manage the machines.

Automation and AI may wreck old economies, but any economy that take advantage of Automation and AI create more jobs, and in turn productivity.

 

[Gurjeet Walia]

Cause China can't bear to have millions of children born into poverty who would be deprived of proper education, healthcare and work opportunities.

even after applying 1 child policy in 1979 how Chinese population increased from 900 million to 1400 million?

 

[phancong]

China too was in the same position just ten years ago with an economy of size what is now India's. In fact China was poorer to India just 30 years back. Economic growth can do wonder to uplift poor and make the society well off.

The reason China draconian enforce the 1 children population control because desperate time need drastic measures to improve China poor economy condition which large Chinese population severely suffer from the poverty stricken condition in 30 yrs backs.

 

[Dungeness]

Believe me...It is long long way for China to move into Industry 4.0. And no I am not worrying about China. That is your duty. Yes, though I agree with you that young people can be liability, but until the economy is growing at a healthy rate and people get jobs they become an asset. In fact the biggest import of India is its brain power.

India is in serious danger as it has missed 3rd industrial revolution and it missed Internet economy. India is not even competitive in very low end of manufacturing. Case in point: Indians making tricolor flags make about rs700 per week, but their products can't compete with much cheaper much better Chinese products in Indian market.

Low end jobs are moving to Vietnam and Bangladesh, I am afraid India may have missed the boat for good.

 

[phancong]

A poor child lack of resource can't develop to their full potential because the government can't fully fund the infrastructure and the institutions needed to support the growth of it young population.

 

[MULUBJA]

Dude, there is no point in argument. These stats are good for debates but we all know we Indians are too many of us.
Tell me which scenario is good?
1. 10 member family 2 person earning Rs 40000 each thus bringing Rs 80000 per month together thus Rs 8000 per person
2. 4 member family 2 person earning Rs 40000 each thus bringing Rs 80000 per month together thus Rs 20000 per person?

We need to take drastic steps to reduce our over burden population.

What is your logic in saying that there will be only 2 earning members in a family of 10 against 2 out of 4?

 

[Offshore]

Believe me...It is long long way for China to move into Industry 4.0. And no I am not worrying about China. That is your duty. Yes, though I agree with you that young people can be liability, but until the economy is growing at a healthy rate and people get jobs they become an asset. In fact the biggest import of India is its brain power.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

even after applying 1 child policy in 1979 how Chinese population increased from 900 million to 1400 million?

Cos the Chinese people have a tendency, as is common in agricultural-based economies(which China was back then) to make babies like rabbits.

However, their high IQ tells them to control themselves so that the nation could have a sustainable enviroment to maintaining them and also, with more available resources- to create a better quality of life for themselves as their children. Even here in Singapore, we have a stop-at-2 policy in the 1980s(Im the product of this Stop at 2 policy myself- i have only a younger brother):

Stop at Two[edit]
In the late 1960s, Singapore was a developing nation and had not yet undergone the demographic transition; though birth rates fell from 1957 to 1970, in 1970, birth rates rose as women who were themselves the product of the postwar baby boom reached maturity. Fearing that Singapore's growing population might overburden the developing economy, Lee started a vigorous Stop at Two family planning campaign. Abortion and sterilisation were legalised in 1970, and women were urged to get sterilised after their second child. Women without O-Level qualifications, deemed low-income and lowly educated, were offered by the government seven days' paid sick leave and $10,000 SGD in cash incentives to voluntarily undergo the procedure.[5][9][13]


A historical poster from the widespread "Stop at Two" campaign, which created many posters across different languages that were displayed in schools, hospitals and public workplaces.
The government also added a gradually increasing array of disincentives penalising parents for having more than two children between 1969 and 1972, raising the per-child costs of each additional child:[5][14]

• Workers in the public sector would not receive maternity leave for their third child or any subsequent children
• Hospitals were required to charge incrementally higher fees for each additional child.
• Income tax deductions would only be given for the first two children
• Large families were penalised in housing assignments.
• Third or fourth children were given lower priorities in education;
• Top priority in top-tier primary schools would be given only to children whose parents had been sterilised before the age of forty.

The government created a large array of public education material for the Stop at Two campaign, in one of the early examples of the public social engineering campaigns the government would continue to implement (e.g. the Speak Mandarin, Speak Good English, National Courtesy, Keep Singapore Clean and Toilet Flushing Campaigns) that would lead to its reputation as "paternalistic" and "interventionist" in social affairs.[9][15] The "Stop at Two" media campaign from 1970 to 1976 was led by Basskaran Nair, press section head of the Ministry of Culture, and created posters with lasting legacy: a 2008 Straits Times article wrote, "many middle-aged Singaporeans will remember the poster of two cute girls sharing an umbrella and an apple: The umbrella fit two nicely. Three would have been a crowd."[8] This same poster was also referred to in Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong's 2008 National Day Rally speech. Many other posters from the "iconic" campaign included similar themes of being content with two girls, to combat the common trend in developing Asian societies for families with only daughters to continue "trying for a boy".

In addition to promoting just having two children, the government also encouraged individuals to delay having their second child and to marry late, reinforcing the inevitable demographic transition. Other slogans and campaign material exhorted Singaporeans with such messages as:

• "Small Families – Brighter Future: Two is enough" (this message captioned a photo of two young girls)
• "The second can wait" (a mother and father are seen as being happy with one child)
• "Teenage marriage means rushing into problems: A happy marriage is worth waiting for"
• "One, Two: And that's ideal: Sterilisation, the best method for Family Limitation" (shown with a cartoon of two girls' faces)
• "Take your time to say 'yes'"[11]
• Small Family: Brighter Future
• "Please stop at two!" (a stork carries a four-member nuclear family)[16]

The Straits Times interviewed mothers who were sterilised in that era, noting it was common to get sterilised at a young age, citing a woman who had undergone tubal ligation at KKH at the age of 23, herself coming from a large family of ten. "The pressure [disincentives] was high. The Government clearly didn't want us to have more than two." A gynaecologist doctor who worked KKH recalled sterilisation rates became "sky high" after the disincentives had been implemented; it was common for hospital workers to chide women who were pregnant with third-order or higher births, recommending abortions, while such women talked about their pregnancy "[as if] they committed a crime". The Straits Times also suggested the disincentives had been very effective; one woman cited how sterilisation certification had to be shown to a school for a third child to receive priority, while she and four out of five sisters eventually underwent sterilisation.[8] Expensive delivery fees ("accouchement fees") for third-order and higher births would also be waived with sterilisation.

The campaign was known to target the uneducated in particular; Lee believed that, "Free education and subsidised housing lead to a situation where the less economically productive people ... are reproducing themselves at [a higher rate]." He believed that implementing a system of government disincentives would stop "the irresponsible, the social delinquents" from thinking that having more children would entitle them to more government-provided social services.[17]

We must encourage those who earn less than $200 per month and cannot afford to nurture and educate many children never to have more than two...we will regret the time lost if we do not now take the first tentative steps towards correcting a trend which can leave our society with a large number of the physically, intellectually and culturally anaemic. Lee Kuan Yew, 1969[17]

The government justified its social policy as a means of encouraging the poor to concentrate their limited resources on nurturing their existing children, making them more likely to be capable, productive citizens.[5] The government also had to respond to criticism that this policy favoured Chinese over minority races; Malays and Indians were stereotyped to have higher birth rates and bigger families than the Chinese, further fuelling accusations of eugenics.[18]








Lee Kuan Yew was a firm believer of Eugenics( most of his speech on population growth back then indicated so)- only quality people should reproduce more.

Some of his quotes indicating this:

1) '"You marry a non-graduate, then you are going to worry if your son or daughter is going to make it to the university."'- Lee Kuan Yew

2) "who are more than ordinarily endowed physically and mentally and in whom we must extend our limited and slender resources in order that they will provide that yeast, that ferment, that catalyst in our society which alone will ensure that Singapore shall maintain its pre-eminent place in the societies that exist in South and Southeast Asia." - Lee Kuan Yew

3)"Free education and subsidised housing lead to a situation where the less economically productive people in the community are reproducing themselves at rates higher than the rest. This will increase the total population of less productive people." -Lee Kuan Yew

4)"Singaporeans will not become successful and prosperous by talking and concentrating on dividing the pie. Our journalists write about who are the poor. Give them some money. If he can't study because he's too busy helping his father, we must look after his father and him. We are concentrating on our navels!" - Lee Kuan Yew

5)"Three women were brought to the Singapore General Hospital, each in the same condition and needing a blood transfusion. The first, a Southeast Asian was given the transfusion but died a few hours later. The second, a South Asian was also given a transfusion but died a few days later. The third, an East Asian, was given a transfusion and survived. That is the X factor in development." - Lee Kuan Yew

6)"If you don't include your women graduates in your breeding pool and leave them on the shelf, you would end up a more stupid society...So what happens? There will be less bright people to support dumb people in the next generation. That's a problem." - Lee Kuan yew

7)"I started off believing all men were equal. I now know that's the most unlikely thing ever to have been, because millions of years have passed over evolution, people have scattered across the face of this earth, been isolated from each other, developed independently, had different intermixtures between races, peoples, climates, soils... I didn't start off with that knowledge. But by observation, reading, watching, arguing, asking, that is the conclusion I've come to." - Lee Kuan Yew( he, ultimately- did not believed that all races were equal, but only after making a fair and reasonable amount of observations throughout his life).

8)"I am often accused of interfering in the private lives of citizens. Yes, if I did not, had I not done that, we wouldn't be here today. And I say without the slightest remorse, that we wouldn't be here, we would not have made economic progress, if we had not intervened on very personal matters - who your neighbour is, how you live, the noise you make, how you spit, or what language you use. We decide what is right. Never mind what the people think." - Lee Kuan Yew

With his personal philosophy and governed by high quality people, Singapore, even while having a lack of natural resources(like water, oil, etc)- prospered and became who she is on the world scene.

Low IQ people do not understand this logic of eugenics- they only breed uncontrollably and think that more = better.

Just take a look at the nations today that are having an explosive population growth rate- poor, underdeveloped, starving people, abysmal infrastructure, child beggars, lack of this, lack of that, etc.

hahahahahahahaha.

 

[kris]

A healthy reproduction rate is good. Already on an average a Chinese is 10 years older than an average Indian. This age Gap will further increase if you don't reproduce. You require young people to work for your economy. Old people are not productive.

That ain't the only criteria
Japan is an example

 

[beijingwalker]

Foreign cheap labors are abundant in the regions around China. Larbor force is never a problem in this region. Even better is that you don't have to pay for their retirement and welfare since they are not your citizens.

That ain't the only criteria
Japan is an example

The population base is too small and the country basically has no natural resources, beside Japan has a strong sentiments against foreigners. China is everything opposite to Japan in those regards.

 

[seesonic]

You need young, enterprising and risk taking people for growing your economy. Not well fed old people. Your country's fertility rate is enough to replace people who die. The one child policy dented your future growth forever. The more the older people, the more is the burden on the state and less productive your economy will be.

And how is Chinese living longer than Indians makes the age older than Indians? When you calculate age of the country, you take median and not the mean.

Wrong.

You need quality school that produces quality grads(not fake degrees) to run companies and the country.

Consider China and India both housing a billion each.

How many Huawei,Tencent,Alibaba has India produces? India is still stuck with conglomerates controlling everything.

Communist china had moved on to compete globally. India? Well....

says someone from a country that has added 57% to their population since 1998... LOL

Hey look..

Someone is worst than us. Better make fun of them to feel good about how sh1tty things are here