India to Deploy Massive Tank Army Along Border With Pakistan

[The Eagle]

And you had all the information before hand of Indias plan right? This is why your militry was in dauldrums what India is upto and your dGMo requested for cease fire.

No, we didn't have the information before but we know a habitual propagation.... DGMO requested, really though lastly I heard it was 20 times calls from Indian DGMO for Chandu ..... Save it for some other time ... This usual copy paste is nothing but from different operators whosoever login at particular shift. Pakistan rubbed the claim, world saw it and none militarily acknowledged the so-called strikes like the cold feet start doctrine and what not. There is not a day that India do not make a claim like super power, no Pakistan on map, there will be no Pakistan 2015, Pakistan wouldn't survive beyond 1947 or 48, we will do this, will do that I mean these are all virtual attacks and need same kind of treatment hence, new threats and desperation from India on every other day.

 

[foxtrot1]

No, we didn't have the information before but we know a habitual propagation.... DGMO requested, really though lastly I heard it was 20 times calls from Indian DGMO for Chandu ..... Save it for some other time ... This usual copy paste is nothing but from different operators whosoever login at particular shift. Pakistan rubbed the claim, world saw it and none militarily acknowledged the so-called strikes like the cold feet start doctrine and what not. There is not a day that India do not make a claim like super power, no Pakistan on map, there will be no Pakistan 2015, Pakistan wouldn't survive beyond 1947 or 48, we will do this, will do that I mean these are all virtual attacks and need same kind of treatment hence, new threats and desperation from India on every other day.

You dont understand the difference between calling to stop the fire and calling to get the man back.

What kind of propogation? India openly claimed that it disrespected the sovereignity of Pakistan and what did you do? Asked for evidence? Lol come on dude that was so freaking funny and coward.

You blame India to have Balochistan destabalized now when inda personally said yes we did strike in Kashmir you said no no it did not happen india is innocent.

Make up your mind guys.

 

[Michael Corleone]

So do you think we reached Lahore without tank superiority?

you guys reached around lahore but havent made attempts to capture or go in the city as a ceasefire negotiations was imminent and the battle reached a stalemate where neither party could have advanced or defended further...

 

[The Eagle]

You dont understand the difference between calling to stop the fire and calling to get the man back.

What kind of propogation? India openly claimed that it disrespected the sovereignity of Pakistan and what did you do? Asked for evidence? Lol come on dude that was so freaking funny and coward.

You blame India to have Balochistan destabalized now when inda personally said yes we did strike in Kashmir you said no no it did not happen india is innocent.

Make up your mind guys.

First of all, why can't you guys QUOTE without being civil and provocative however, can be best approach.

There is a difference between call of formality to make a record and has been done from both sides though you guys can make any storyline and cheer for.

Baluchistan intervention is true and that claim was for the Indian populace that you bought and we don't. A blatant lie without proof that promised to provide but none. It's not new indeed that every other day we have to face call center brigade on a purpose and hugely sourced for Internet/media warfare and propaganda. Rather than provoking and offensive posting, first need to learn as how to remain civil and not to cross the line for a conversation.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

So do you think we reached Lahore without tank superiority?

And had to retreat as ur panjab was under threat of being run over by Pak:

In Chapter 8 titled "Of Cowardice and Panic", the author describes the cowardice of Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad, the Indian general commanding officer in Lahore sector. When the general was fired upon by Pakistani forces, he "ran away". "On learning that, Lt. Gen. Harbakash Singh and the corps commander drove in a Jonga to the battlefront. Army commander found that the enemy (PAF) air attack had created a havoc on G.T. Road. (Indian) Vehicles were burning and several vehicles of 15 Division abandoned on the road, the drivers having run away, leaving some of the engines still running. Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad was hiding in a recently irrigated sugar cane field. As described by Harabakash Singh: "He (Prasad) came out to receive us, with his boots covered with wet mud. He had no head cover, nor was he wearing any badges of his rank. He had stubble on his face, not having shaved." Seeing him in such a stage, Harbakhash Singh asked him: "Whether he was the General Officer commanding a division or a coolie? Why had he removed badges of rank and not shaved? Niranjan Prasad had no answer."

Pradhan's book contains many different entries by Indian Defense Minister Y.B. Chavan. A Sept 9, 1965 entry reads: Had a very hard day on all fronts. Very fierce counter-attacks mounted and we are required to withdraw in Kasur area. COAS was somewhat uncertain of himself. I suggested to him that he should go in forward areas so that he will be in touch of realities. He said he would go next day.

In Line of Duty: A Soldier Remembers, Lt Gen Harbakhsh Singh reveals that not only did Gen Chowdhury play a very small role in the entire campaign, he was so nervous as to be on the verge of losing half of Punjab to Pakistan, including the city of Amritsar. Harbakhsh describes, in clinical detail, how our own offensive in the Lahore sector had come unhinged. The general commanding the division on Ichchogil canal fled in panic, leaving his jeep, its wireless running and the briefcase containing sensitive documents that were then routinely read on Radio Pakistan during the war. Singh wanted to court martial him, Chowdhury let him get away with resignation.

According to Shekhar Gupta, the editor of Indian Express, Harbkhash Singh recounts that a bigger disaster struck a bit to the south where the other division cracked up in assault, just as it encountered a bit of resistance. Several infantry battalions, short on battle inoculation, deserted and Singh gives a hair-raising account – and confirmation of a long-debated rumor – that Chowdhury panicked so badly he ordered him to withdraw to a new defensive line behind the Beas, thereby conceding half of Punjab to Pakistan. Singh describes the conversation with Chowdhury at Ambala where he refused to carry out the order, asking his chief to either put it down in writing or visit the front and take charge of the battle.

 

[Divergent]

Oh for ..... Sake

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

you guys reached around lahore but havent made attempts to capture or go in the city as a ceasefire negotiations was imminent and the battle reached a stalemate where neither party could have advanced or defended further...

How do u make an attempt that while u retreat

"Pakistan claims to have destroyed something like 1/3rd the Indian Air Force, and foreign observers, who are in a position to know say that Pakistani pilots have claimed even higher kills than this; but the Pakistani Air Force are being scrupulously honest in evaluating these claims. They are crediting Pakistan Air Force only those killings that can be checked from other sources."

Roy Meloni,
American Broadcasting Corporation
September 15, 1965.

London Daily Mirror reported in 1965:

"There is a smell of death in the burning Pakistan sun. For it was here that India's attacking forces came to a dead stop.

"During the night they threw in every reinforcement they could find. But wave after wave of attacks were repulsed by the Pakistanis"

"India", said the London Daily Times, "is being soundly beaten by a nation which is outnumbered by four and a half to one in population and three to one in size of armed forces."

In Times reporter Louis Karrar wrote:

"Who can defeat a nation which knows how to play hide and seek with death".

USA - Aviation week & space technology - December 1968 issue.

"For the PAF, the 1965 war was as climatic as the Israeli victory over the Arabs in 1967. A further similarity was that Indian air power had an approximately 5:1 numerical superiority at the start of the conflict. Unlike the Middle East conflict, the Pakistani air victory was achieved to a large degree by air-to-air combat rather than on ground. But it was as absolute as that attained by Israel.

UK - Air International - November - 1991




Encyclopaedia of Aircraft printed in several countries by Orbis publications - Volume 5

"Pakistan's air force gained a remarkable victory over India in this brief 22 day war exploiting its opponents weaknesses in exemplary style - Deeply shaken by reverse, India began an extensive modernisation and training program, meanwhile covering its defeat with effective propaganda smoke screen.

 

[foxtrot1]

There is a difference between call of formality to make a record and has been done from both sides though you guys can make any storyline and cheer for

Protocols are followed when cease fire is maintained. Otherwise enemy shelling does not provide space and time to follow protocols. And in that scenario emergency hotline is used to communicate. The hotline was used to tell the Indian counterpart that please make your arty barrel little steeper so that it does not hit beyond Pak army position into civilian area though there are more irregulars trained by Pak army than natural civilians in Neelam valley and counter arty barrage were placed in the town from where Pak gunners were counter shelling.

Baluchistan intervention is true and that claim was for the Indian populace that you bought and we don't. A blatant lie without proof that promised to provide but none. It's not new indeed that every other day we have to face call center brigade on a purpose and hugely sourced for Internet/media warfare and propaganda. Rather than provoking and offensive posting, first need to learn as how to remain civil and not to cross the line for a conversation.

first of all please give lecture of being within the limitation and to have sense of being civic to areesh and desert fighter. Your so called ELITE MEMBERS.

Now Balochistan has nothing to do with 2016 Indo Pak skirmish. But you have failed to understand the point that, on one hand you have been blaming India for creating unrest in Balochistan and other hand when India claims to have it done something in Kashmir or Balochistan you people reverse your argument and statements.

In any case you try to prove India wrong even if India accepts that it was involved.

 

[Michael Corleone]

How do u make an attempt that while u retreat
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"Pakistan claims to have destroyed something like 1/3rd the Indian Air Force, and foreign observers, who are in a position to know say that Pakistani pilots have claimed even higher kills than this; but the Pakistani Air Force are being scrupulously honest in evaluating these claims. They are crediting Pakistan Air Force only those killings that can be checked from other sources."

Roy Meloni,
American Broadcasting Corporation
September 15, 1965.

London Daily Mirror reported in 1965:

"There is a smell of death in the burning Pakistan sun. For it was here that India's attacking forces came to a dead stop.

"During the night they threw in every reinforcement they could find. But wave after wave of attacks were repulsed by the Pakistanis"

"India", said the London Daily Times, "is being soundly beaten by a nation which is outnumbered by four and a half to one in population and three to one in size of armed forces."

In Times reporter Louis Karrar wrote:

"Who can defeat a nation which knows how to play hide and seek with death".

USA - Aviation week & space technology - December 1968 issue.

"For the PAF, the 1965 war was as climatic as the Israeli victory over the Arabs in 1967. A further similarity was that Indian air power had an approximately 5:1 numerical superiority at the start of the conflict. Unlike the Middle East conflict, the Pakistani air victory was achieved to a large degree by air-to-air combat rather than on ground. But it was as absolute as that attained by Israel.

UK - Air International - November - 1991




Encyclopaedia of Aircraft printed in several countries by Orbis publications - Volume 5

"Pakistan's air force gained a remarkable victory over India in this brief 22 day war exploiting its opponents weaknesses in exemplary style - Deeply shaken by reverse, India began an extensive modernisation and training program, meanwhile covering its defeat with effective propaganda smoke screen.

while india did inflict heavy losses on pakistanis... not denying that... they just weren't strategically or well prepared to make pakistan surrender either... which was due to the well planned out scenarios, the air force pilots etc.

pilots like Mr. waleed and saiful... they ruled the sky both in arab israel war and pakistan indian war. <3

 

[The Eagle]

Protocols are followed when cease fire is maintained. Otherwise enemy shelling does not provide space and time to follow protocols. And in that scenario emergency hotline is used to communicate. The hotline was used to tell the Indian counterpart that please make your arty barrel little steeper so that it does not hit beyond Pak army position into civilian area though there are more irregulars trained by Pak army than natural civilians in Neelam valley and counter arty barrage were placed in the town from where Pak gunners were counter shelling.




first of all please give lecture of being within the limitation and to have sense of being civic to areesh and desert fighter. Your so called ELITE MEMBERS.

Now Balochistan has nothing to do with 2016 Indo Pak skirmish. But you have failed to understand the point that, on one hand you have been blaming India for creating unrest in Balochistan and other hand when India claims to have it done something in Kashmir or Balochistan you people reverse your argument and statements.

In any case you try to prove India wrong even if India accepts that it was involved.

You can report the posts if you find any offensive but one wrong wouldn't make other right and you are doing the same thing so while quoting me, make sure that the conversation may remain civil otherwise, there is no need to quote for a rant, uncivilized conversation and personal attack.

Rest of your post, these copy pasted lines are history now so team leader must come up with something inspirational.... Called and told about shelling on civilian that what IA is only best at like school bus to ambulance and civilian structure etc. Rest about claim, oh wait, even Indian opposition questioned the authenticity of so-called strikes though we're told to leave India if don't believe.... I mean, that's not the way to make someone believe and lastly military passed go ahead call to GoI to release the video evidence but none. However, we have already waited a lot and discussed for so-called strikes and proofs so no need to beat the bush again to make us believe or to provoke.

Want to refer someone, do tag like this @Areesh @DESERT FIGHTER

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Retired American diplomat Dennis Kux: "Although both sides lost heavily in men and material, and neither gained a decisive military advantage, India had the better of the war. Delhi achieved its basic goal of thwarting Pakistan's attempt to seize Kashmir by force. Pakistan gained nothing from a conflict which it had instigated."

English historian John Keay: "The war lasted barely a month. Pakistan made gains in the Rajasthan desert but its main push against India's Jammu-Srinagar road link was repulsed and Indian tanks advanced to within a sight of Lahore. Both sides claimed victory but India had most to celebrate."

American author Stanley Wolpert: "The war ended in what appeared to be a draw when the embargo placed by Washington on US ammunition and replacements for both armies forced cessation of conflict before either side won a clear victory. India, however, was in a position to inflict grave damage to, if not capture, Pakistan's capital of the Punjab when the ceasefire was called, and controlled Kashmir's strategic Uri-Poonch bulge, much to [Pakistani president] Ayub's chagrin."

while india did inflict heavy losses on pakistanis... not denying that... they just weren't strategically or well prepared to make pakistan surrender either... which was due to the well planned out scenarios, the air force pilots etc.

pilots like Mr. waleed and saiful... they ruled the sky both in arab israel war and pakistan indian war. <3

We had more territory with us as compared to them and we had the all important Haji Pir pass with us.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

We had more territory with us as compared to them and we had the all important Haji Pir pass with us.

And u were in retreat.. with quarter of ur airforce burnt and under the threat of losing half of panjab.

 

[GumNaam]

There are morons and then off course there are Indians... CSD, cross border raids, hot pursuits, targeted killings and off course, surgical strikes.....alas statement a day keeps the Indians busy eating hay....
BTW, after incredible India, shining India, make in India, waiting for next terminology to keep billion ostrtches busy .
Wonder whatever happened to that 56'' chest.

next cliche motto will be "india the world's toilet"

Again same old rant.
I said your countrys response was not more than like a banana republic. And rather asked India to prove if there was any surgical strike. haha. You couldnt do anything.

Its your own indian politicians who are demanding proof of sir ji kal strikes from the modi regime. PAKISTAN already proved that the sir ji kal strikes were fake.

We had more territory with us as compared to them and we had the all important Haji Pir pass with us.

The haji pir that you ended up loosing to us in the end of the war because you had no choice but to give it up in exchange to save amristar. Given the sorry, hapless state of the indian military towards the end of the war, had Pakistan not agreed to the ceasefire, india would've lost both hajipir and amristar, don't forget that you were out of ammo and under sanctions while China was readily supplying ammo to us. Oh wait, lemme guess, the indian media taught you that you decided to give it back out of the kindness of your vegetated hearts! Need to stop listening to your tabloids.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

And u were in retreat.. with quarter of ur airforce burnt and under the threat of losing half of panjab.

Punjab was not even the original target of Op grand Slam.

next cliche motto will be "india the world's toilet"

Its your own indian politicians who are demanding proof of sir ji kal strikes from the modi regime. PAKISTAN already proved that the sir ji kal strikes were fake.


The haji pir that you ended up loosing to us in the end of the war because you had no choice but to give it up in exchange to save amristar. Given the sorry, hapless state of the indian military towards the end of the war, had Pakistan not agreed to the ceasefire, india would've lost both hajipir and amristar, don't forget that you were out of ammo and under sanctions while China was readily supplying ammo to us. Oh wait, lemme guess, the indian media taught you that you decided to give it back out of the kindness of your vegetated hearts! Need to stop listening to your tabloids.

LOL...We were near Lahore and we would loose Amritsar?

Didnt your media tell you how much ammo you had left?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Punjab was not even the original target of Op grand Slam.


LOL...We were near Lahore and we would loose Amritsar?

Didnt your media tell you how much ammo you had left?

Read my previous post.