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India to commission its first supersonic naval fighter squadron

NEW DELHI: India on Saturday will commission its first-ever squadron of naval supersonic fighters, the MiG-29K "air superiority" jets, which will eventually operate from the decks of aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya ( Admiral Gorshkov) as well as the indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC).

Defence minister AK Antony will do the honours at the ceremony at the naval airbase INS Hansa in Goa, which will also mark the diamond jubilee celebrations of the fleet's "air arm" of the force. While celebrations are certainly in order, it also underlines the lack of long-term strategic planning and timely decision-making in the country.

The MiG-29Ks — the first 16 of the 45 fighters ordered from Russia for over $2 billion will constitute the INSAS 303 "Black Panthers" squadron — began arriving in India a couple of years ago but the 44,570-tonne Gorshkov will be ready for delivery only by end-2013 after being refurbished in Russia for $2.33 billion.

Similarly, the 40,000-tonne IAC being built at Cochin Shipyard will not be handed over to the Navy anytime before 2018, derailing the force's long-standing ambition to operate two full-fledged carrier battle groups (CBGs) by 2015. The 65,000-tonne IAC-II, in turn, remains merely on the drawing board as of now.

As earlier reported by TOI, India's only solitary carrier, the 54-year-old INS Viraat, is currently out of action while undergoing yet another life-extension refit. Moreover, it has only 11 Sea Harrier jump-jets left to operate from its deck, with no replacement of the fighters possible.

All this when the recent Pentagon report on China's growing military might holds Beijing is pursuing a robust carrier building programme after inducting its first carrier, the, the 65,000-tonne Liaoning, in September last year. "China is likely to build multiple aircraft carriers over the next decade," it said.

China, of course, will take some years to master the highly-complex art of operating its J-15 fighters from a moving airfield on the high seas and then transforming the entire package into a potent offensive weapons platform. India, in contrast, has been in the business of operating "flattops" for five decades now, commissioning as it did its first carrier INS Vikrant with SeaHawk jets way back in 1961.

It has long been realized that CBGs prowling on the high seas project power like nothing else on the globe. It's no wonder that as part of its impending pivot towards Asia-Pacific, the US plans to deploy at least six of its 11 CBGs — each American carrier is over 94,000 tonne and capable of handling 80-90 fighters — in the region. Asia-Pacific has emerged as the new strategic theatre for rivalry between US and China, with India too jostling for space with the latter in the Indian Ocean region.

However, India will be able to deploy two potent CBGs only after 2018 when INS Vikramaditya and IAC are able to operate together. This, however, does not detract from the sheer capabilities of the MiG-29Ks. With mid-air refuelling and an extended combat radius of operations as well as BVR (beyond visual range) and guided anti-ship missiles, MiG-29Ks will provide a "four-fold capability jump" over the Sea Harriers, say officers.

The MiG-29Ks, with a range of 1,300km and a service ceiling of 58,000-feet, are capable of STOBAR (short takeoff but arrested recovery) operations. They are armed with R-73 and RVV-AE guided air-to-air missiles, Kh-35E anti-ship missiles, KAB 500KR/OD TV guided bombs and S-8KOM rockets.

India to commission its first supersonic naval fighter squadron - The Times of India
 
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are FGFA carrier ready?

By 2018-2020, I think the global military powers will be upping their carrier based fighters to Fifth gen, is India's FGFA capable of that?

Or are you guys looking at the F-35, which has the vertical take off and landing. Pretty cool and useful.
 
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So one naval squadron consists of 16 fighters. The other Migs are used as trainers.

are FGFA carrier ready?

By 2018-2020, I think the global military powers will be upping their carrier based fighters to Fifth gen, is India's FGFA capable of that?

Or are you guys looking at the F-35, which has the vertical take off and landing. Pretty cool and useful.

If the Russians go for a naval version (I am sure they will) India might opt for them as well.
 
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So one naval squadron consists of 16 fighters. The other Migs are used as trainers.



If the Russians go for a naval version (I am sure they will) India might opt for them as well.

That's the thing, Russia is not a naval power, yes they have a good navy, but their carrier program is not much better than Chinese or Indian.

Will they be looking at a carrier based version? Maybe, but how soon? With the current Russian financial situation, it be hard to imagine, they be able to match the US tech for tech.
 
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That's the thing, Russia is not a naval power, yes they have a good navy, but their carrier program is not much better than Chinese or Indian.

Will they be looking at a carrier based version? Maybe, but how soon? With the current Russian financial situation, it be hard to imagine, they be able to match the US tech for tech.

There were plans to navalize PAKFA by Russia. If not, our best bet would be a naval AMCA, a long time from now. (At least 15 years away.) Meanwhile, the IN plans to get a naval MRCA for its next carrier. F-18SH, Rafale-M and F-35 are possible contenders. Rafale-M makes most sense, due to commonality with the air force's purchase. The latest "Super hornet international" is also quite a beast, and the cheapest of the three.

Other than USA, no other country is going to fly 5th gen fighters from carriers any time soon. (I'm not sure about Britain's plans.) The next most potent naval aircraft would be the French Rafale-M.

India does not have to hurry about with a 5th gen fighter for the navy. Besides, the role of aircraft carriers is different for India and the USN. For India, the aircrafts are mainly for fleet defence, and some offensive airpower against other ships and enemy shores. For USA, their naval aviation is as important in projecting airpower as the airforce, and their carrier air wings are meant to fight air wars in distant countries.

So for us, a 5th gen fighter is not that important. 4.5 gen fighters can do the job equally well, of giving air cover to our fleet, and to sink enemy ships with anti-ship missiles. These jobs don't require stealth aircrafts.

I would be happy to see the navy fly mig 29Ks and NLCAs and N-MRCAs for some time, and wait for the AMCA to take shape. The navy is not going to suffer due to lack of stealth fighters, for the next decade or two. It's not like the IOR is buzzing around with enemy naval stealth fighters.
 
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are FGFA carrier ready?

By 2018-2020, I think the global military powers will be upping their carrier based fighters to Fifth gen, is India's FGFA capable of that?

Or are you guys looking at the F-35, which has the vertical takeoff and landing. Pretty cool and useful.

I really doubt that India will be able to use naval variant of FGFA (if & when it is ready) with its future ACs (Vicky & Vikrant). Naval FGFA will definitely require a catapult launch with longer flight deck... Maybe with IAC-2 with steam catapult or MALS can host them. But that is subject to pure speculation at present.

Regarding f-35, it may be a 5th gen aircraft. But it is seriously lacking in term of agility and IR emission reduction. May not survive 1v1 fight vs even super Su-30 with AESA radar. So, IN will not opt for these...
 
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Some images of the IN MiG 29K.....

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are FGFA carrier ready?

By 2018-2020, I think the global military powers will be upping their carrier based fighters to Fifth gen, is India's FGFA capable of that?

Or are you guys looking at the F-35, which has the vertical take off and landing. Pretty cool and useful.

The N-FGFA is certainly a possibility and as the FGFA is a HAL-Sukhoi venture there will be room for Indian specific variants like a naval version, to be developed. The ADA and HAL will have extensive experience in naval aircraft design thanks to the N-LCA project so India won't be walking into the project blind. The main issue that I can see will be configuring the N-FGFA as a CATOBAR configured fighter as the Russian expertise as wells the Indian lies in STOBAR. It also remains to be seen whether it is even feasible to convert a non nasalised fighter (FGFA) into a CATOBAR configured naval fighter which requires a hell of a lot of structural strenght.


As far as the F-35 is concerned, yes the IN has expressed an interest in it but I guess it depends on how the N-FGFA works out. If the N-FGFA fails to materialise then surely the IN will opt for the F-35C as the IN is adamant the IAC-2 and future ACCs beyond that will be CATOBAR (probably with EMALS) configured.
@Topic why are TOI being overly cynical and critical of every detail involving the IN and its ACCs? No balance or reason just sensationalism as usual.
 
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