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India to buy 60-63 Rafales jets off the shelf from France; MMRCA deal off:

Keep patting yourself on the back.
Feku is on the decline :D
All your bhakti is shortlived my brother
Only feku could've screwed up a deal like this and he didn't dissapoint
Keep supporting illiterates
So what has congress done for the deal?
 
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NEW DELHI: Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar today said India's decision to buy 36 French-made Rafale fighter jets off the shelf would infuse "minimum oxygen" into the Air Force, battling with an ageing warplane fleet. Describing the deal as "great", Mr Parrikar said that the planes would be inducted into the Air Force within a span of two years.

"It's a great decision taken by Prime Minister Narendra Modi on better terms and conditions. Procuring 36 planes for two squadrons is an extremely positive decision which was needed," Mr Parrikar told the Press Trust of India.

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"Indian Air Force will get minimum oxygen (relief) it required with this deal... In fact we have not purchased any major new generation aircraft in (last) 17 years," the minister said.

On Friday, PM Modi announced at a press conference in Paris that he had "asked President (Francois Hollande) to provide 36 Rafale jets in fly-away condition." He said the terms and conditions of the contract have yet to be finalised and officials from both sides would work out the details.

Mr Parrikar said today that buying the planes in "fly away condition" did not mean that "we will get them tomorrow".

"It has to be designed as per India's need," he said, adding negotiations would be held over the pricing of the planes.

The original plan was for India to buy 18 off-the-shelf jets from France's Dassault Aviation, with 108 others being assembled in India by the state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited or HAL in Bengaluru. Sources now say that if negotiations work out, India will buy 144 aircraft, 18 more than the original 126, ensuring that 108 jets will still be assembled at home.

For three years, the Rafale deal has been mired in extensive negotiations. Dassault has been reluctant to provide guarantees for the aircraft that are produced in India.

The Rafale was chosen in 2012 over rival offers from the United States, Europe and Russia. The original proposal for 126 fighter jets was worth at least 12 billion dollars.

Rafale Deal Will Bring 'Minimum Oxygen' to Air Force: Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar

Basically just a follow up of the 2012 decision with ifs and buts still in place.

You are behaving like a typical fan boy, let me remind you that what i posted is a narrative by your defence minister published in an Indian paper. But displaying your frivolous nature, you have to drag the argument elsewhere.
BTW, I'm not sure if any Pakistani paper even carried this three year old news.

Lol at you getting all excited at this news.

-36 planes for the IAF in two years
-108 Rafale deal to be built in India under negations and needs to be signed ASAP
- Work is going on for that much larger Rafale deal


With the agreement on 36 Rafales India, and the Prime Minister, has shown intent and 144 Rafales (at least) are now guaranteed by 2025- the rest is all formalities.

So, does this mean "No HAL Tejas II"?
There will be over 200 LCAs (Mk.1 and Mk.2) aside for the number the IN will procure, the purchase of Rafales has NO correlation with that.
 
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NEW DELHI: Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar today said India's decision to buy 36 French-made Rafale fighter jets off the shelf would infuse "minimum oxygen" into the Air Force, battling with an ageing warplane fleet. Describing the deal as "great", Mr Parrikar said that the planes would be inducted into the Air Force within a span of two years.

"It's a great decision taken by Prime Minister Narendra Modi on better terms and conditions. Procuring 36 planes for two squadrons is an extremely positive decision which was needed," Mr Parrikar told the Press Trust of India.

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"Indian Air Force will get minimum oxygen (relief) it required with this deal... In fact we have not purchased any major new generation aircraft in (last) 17 years," the minister said.

On Friday, PM Modi announced at a press conference in Paris that he had "asked President (Francois Hollande) to provide 36 Rafale jets in fly-away condition." He said the terms and conditions of the contract have yet to be finalised and officials from both sides would work out the details.

Mr Parrikar said today that buying the planes in "fly away condition" did not mean that "we will get them tomorrow".

"It has to be designed as per India's need," he said, adding negotiations would be held over the pricing of the planes.

The original plan was for India to buy 18 off-the-shelf jets from France's Dassault Aviation, with 108 others being assembled in India by the state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited or HAL in Bengaluru. Sources now say that if negotiations work out, India will buy 144 aircraft, 18 more than the original 126, ensuring that 108 jets will still be assembled at home.

For three years, the Rafale deal has been mired in extensive negotiations. Dassault has been reluctant to provide guarantees for the aircraft that are produced in India.

The Rafale was chosen in 2012 over rival offers from the United States, Europe and Russia. The original proposal for 126 fighter jets was worth at least 12 billion dollars.

Rafale Deal Will Bring 'Minimum Oxygen' to Air Force: Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar

Basically just a follow up of the 2012 decision with ifs and buts still in place.

Well there is difference in your if and buts .Here they clearly said India will buy Rafale no matter what but this 36 will arrive in 2017. Coming to Thread name ,you once again proved that Pakistan feeling the heat.They yet to deal with Su 30mki and then this Rafale.Go and ask china to give something better.
 
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Well there is difference in your if and buts .Here they clearly said India will buy Rafale no matter what but this 36 will arrive in 2017. Coming to Thread name ,you once again proved that Pakistan feeling the heat.They yet to deal with Su 30mki and then this Rafale.Go and ask china to give something better.
Guy is still in Denial Even after PM joint Statement in Front of All world Media
 
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144 of the most advanced 4.5+ gen planes won't have any impact?

Heck, even with 36 Rafales the IAF could take on most airforces in the region.
Thats why 36 rafales will be inducted in past pace mode while in coming days more clarifications will be there ragarding the Type and if this deal also include the weapon system and support system.
 
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144 of the most advanced 4.5+ gen planes won't have any impact?

Heck, even with 36 Rafales the IAF could take on most airforces in the region.
Dude no info about 144 yet.

I am talking about 36 . That number is too low make an impact toward china.

Even in deterrence . Look at their fleet and numbers how many they have and how many they are capable of making during war. They can increase production anytime.
 
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Dude no info about 144 yet.

I am talking about 36 . That number is too low make an impact toward china.

Even in deterrence . Look at their fleet and numbers how many they have and how many they are capable of making during war. They can increase production anytime.
The Defence Minister talks about the 144 figure- the deal on the remaining 108 to be built in India will be signed sometime this year, no way are the GoI going to get into a situation where they buy 36 Rafales then let the 108 deal collapse. The agreement o the 36 has confirmed that India is committed to buying at least 144.
 
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Lol at you getting all excited at this news.

-36 planes for the IAF in two years
-108 Rafale deal to be built in India under negations and needs to be signed ASAP
- Work is going on for that much larger Rafale deal


With the agreement on 36 Rafales India, and the Prime Minister, has shown intent and 144 Rafales (at least) are now guaranteed by 2025- the rest is all formalities.


There will be over 200 LCAs (Mk.1 and Mk.2) aside for the number the IN will procure, the purchase of Rafales has NO correlation with that.
It's rather sad when even sane members like you jump the gun and start making predictions.
Firstly what's new here to get exited about, a decision made three years earlier may come into fruition in next few years. You talking about 2025 which is a decade from now.....keeping in mind the repeatedly missing dates for your other projects.
 
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Congressgeneral secretaryDigvijay Singhon Saturday dared Subramanian Swamy to movecourtover the Rafale deal after theBJPleader said he will approach the court against the deal as he claimed the fighter jet has shortcomings.


Experts, however, have said the government's decision to acquire 36 Rafale jets is to be welcomed.

"I dare Subramanian Swamy to go to court on Rafale Jet purchase," Singh said in a tweet.

Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar has welcomed the decision to purchase 36 Rafale jets, saying that India has not purchased any new generation aircraft in 17 years.

Swamy in a letter posted on Twitter has said: "I urge the Prime Minister not to finalize the Rafael Aircraft Deal with France. The deal originally was negotiated by the previous UPA Government."

He claimed "that Rafael is a less fuel efficient aircraft and lacking in essential performance characteristics because of which no country in the world has agreed to buy these aircraft.

"Some countries have cancelled contracts after signing an MoU with Dasault, the manufacturers, after carrying out a trial of the plane, for example, Switzerland."

"The Rafael performance of Libya and Egypt turned out to be worst of all the aircraft which were deployed by the allies liberating the countries from tyranny."

"If the Prime Minister for some other compulsion anyway decides to go ahead with the deal, then I will have no option but to approach the Court in a PIL to get it set aside"

Strategic expert Uday Bhaskar supported the decision to purchase 36 Rafale jets in fly away condition announced by Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his meeting with French President Francois Hollande on Friday.

Bhaskar told IANS: "The decision to acquire 36 Rafale fighter aircraft is to be welcomed for it will redress a serious operational deficiency as far as the Indian Air Force is concerned."

"This is an innovative and expedient option, given the procedural complexity and time lines that are associated with the larger MMRCA deal."

"Hopefully the current Rafale deal will allow India to review its long term strategic and defence cooperation agreements with major suppliers such as France."

Digvijay Singh also tweeted: "Modi buys 36 Ready to Fly Rafale Jets from France off the shelf. Is this the new Defence Purchase Policy of GOI?Would CAG/CVC please take notice."

"When PM was buying Fighter Aircrafts in France our Defence Min was buying Fish in Goa! Minimum Govt and Max Governance."

"When PM is signing deals Abroad Foreign Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj is propagating Modi's future achievements in Vidisha MP," he tweeted.


Rafale deal: Congress dares Swamy to go to court | Business Standard News

 
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Its denial nothing Else.Any Big operation Like invasion of Pakistan will Done with Proper Planning and taking Every operational point into consideration the IAF which operationally and Economically superior to PAF will check all the things.

this Initial and Separate deal from the original MMrca which done to maintain operational Readiness of IAF.
the MMrca will be done in follow up Deal after this which add number up to 144

First of all let's see why only Pakistan ? Why not china and them realise the numbers.

Secondly Pakistan is one of the best airforce. They are flying diverse fighters.
They have extremely good pilot training.
They have very good g2a target system.
They have small territory to cover. They have smaller enemy the gap compare to china india and india pak is different .

I think india need to decide about rest of fighter soon. Because 4.5 gen age is almost over its 5th gen.

May be 6th gen by the time india get full numbers.

Brother now the negotiation edge is gone.
India don't have options. It was best to ink with these 36. Why delay?

The Defence Minister talks about the 144 figure- the deal on the remaining 108 to be built in India will be signed sometime this year, no way are the GoI going to get into a situation where they buy 36 Rafales then let the 108 deal collapse. The agreement o the 36 has confirmed that India is committed to buying at least 144.
 
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Well there is difference in your if and buts .Here they clearly said India will buy Rafale no matter what but this 36 will arrive in 2017. Coming to Thread name ,you once again proved that Pakistan feeling the heat.They yet to deal with Su 30mki and then this Rafale.Go and ask china to give something better.
Feeling the heat :laugh:....for something which hasn't seen light of the day, you are a genius, one wonders what would you people do if there was no PDF.....so rather than advising me, go and rant your banter on that BR zoo to make yourself feel better.
 
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It's rather sad when even sane members like you jump the gun and start making predictions.
What's jumping the gun" about what I said? The Prime Minister of India officially announced an agreement for 36 Rafales as soon as possible for the IAF- this has not been talked about or even mooted before at any official level. Now the Defence Minister in this very article is stating the deal for the remaining 108 Rafales is under discussion and will be signed imminently considering that deal had been close to being signed anyway regardless of this 36 fast track deal.

Firstly what's new here to get exited about,
That a 3 year deadlock has been broken- 36 Rafales are on their way on a fast track basis to urgently address the IAF's depleting Sqn strength and the deal for 108 more is surely now only a formality as opposed to being in a perpetual state of uncertainty as it has been for the past few years.

keeping in mind the repeatedly missing dates for your other projects.
LCA Mk.1 is on track to meet its FOC deadline this year, there is talk of actually reaping up production of the Mk.1 to 16/year from next year, the FGFA is uncertain true but the Defence Minister has said he is working on fast tracking this and given his background and suggested competency I have no reason to doubt his intent.

Why delay?
There are still some aspects of the deal that need to be worked out- there is no point in signing a rushed deal and then paying for that haste in the decades to come. It is fair enough the MoD/PM/DM are taking a cautious approach on that front but it is now a question of when not if.
 
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