India to buy 60-63 Rafales jets off the shelf from France; MMRCA deal off:

[MilSpec]

HAL better start incorporating cutting edge tech for manufacturing, we should do our best to limit manual work wherever we can. Mainly to address uniformity,quality control issues, reliability, faster output , etc.

You think MKI are built by blacksmiths with hammers and chisels? Let me remind you HAL Nasik division houses Asia's second largest CNC complex.
HAL's copq is a worrying issue, but much better than the private industry in India, In other words, HAL still is the manufacturing GIANT in India.

 

[45'22']

So the summary is
1-We will be buying 36 off the shelves Rafales from France at the cost of 4 billion euros(under negotiations) under the G2G deal
so per unit cost will be around 120million $ which is good and will be getting them in a span of 2 years which is also good for our depleting forces.

2-the original deal of 126 rafales has been decreased to 108 which if signed will be manufactured by HAL under ToT.If the deal goes through then we can manufacture another 63 as mentioned in the clause.We will be negotiating this with Dassault.

Since both the deal are independent we may even scrap the 108 Rafales and go for other fighters be it EFs or SHs or Su35s

The 2nd deal is now gonna take more time....at least 2 more years to finalize or getting scrapped


Did I miss anything

 

[The_Sidewinder]

so you mean PLAAF& PAF might attack India anytime before "next two years"

Oh My God Im soooooooo scarred

Where did I said that??? Even if they attack us We have IAFs 150+ MKIs, 100+ mkii & upgs, INs KUBs to repel them.

 

[Joseph Goebbels]

Where did I said that??? Even if they attack us We have IAFs 150+ MKIs, 100+ mkii & upgs, INs KUBs to repel them.

but they have DSI tech enabelled JF -17s flown by worlds best trained & most skillful and ruthless PAF Pilots ...beat that

 

[UgandaToRawanda]

Top Sources Confirm : India has to buy at-least 3 Squadrons of f-35 For EMALS TOT FOR THE NEW AIRCRAFT CARRIER.

 

[UgandaToRawanda]

Top Sources Confirm : India has to buy at-least 3 Squadrons of f-35 For EMALS TOT FOR THE NEW AIRCRAFT CARRIER.

 

[#hydra#]

but they have DSI tech enabelled JF -17s flown by worlds best trained & most skillful and ruthless PAF Pilots ...beat that

Please do not underestimate our enemy.

 

[UgandaToRawanda]

Top Sources Confirm : India has to buy at-least 3 Squadrons of f-35 For EMALS TOT FOR THE NEW AIRCRAFT CARRIER.

 

[#hydra#]

Top Sources Confirm : India has to buy at-least 3 Squadrons of f-35 For EMALS TOT FOR THE NEW AIRCRAFT CARRIER.

source?

 

[The_Sidewinder]

but they have DSI tech enabelled JF -17s flown by worlds best trained & most skillful and ruthless PAF Pilots ...beat that

You forgot their Majhab , marital race & Imaan.

On a serious note why take a dig at them. Its our moment, lets enjoy it.
PAF is a professional force, if IAF meets them in battlefield in next few years, PAF will surely give us a good fight. But I am afraid, our MKIs will be too much of a firepower for them.

Note: Appology on trolling

 

[Odysseus]

So the summary is
1-We will be buying 36 off the shelves Rafales from France at the cost of 4 billion euros(under negotiations) under the G2G deal
so per unit cost will be around 120million $ which is good and will be getting them in a span of 2 years which is also good for our depleting forces.

2-the original deal of 126 rafales has been decreased to 108 which if signed will be manufactured by HAL under ToT.If the deal goes through then we can manufacture another 63 as mentioned in the clause.We will be negotiating this with Dassault.

Since both the deal are independent we may even scrap the 108 Rafales and go for other fighters be it EFs or SHs or Su35s

The 2nd deal is now gonna take more time....at least 2 more years to finalize or getting scrapped


Did I miss anything

I dont think you can change the RFP like this. According to the following article we will be getting 36 (G-G contract) + 126 (according to MMRCA tender). Otherwise scarp the contract altogether and go for more G-G order.

Another interesting speculation made by the author is-
"This has led to whispers of some other high-end defence technology transfers from France as a quid pro quo for this deal. One such technology being spoken about is the reactor for the Ship Submersible Ballistic Nuclear (SSBN) Submarine; India is currently in the process of making its first indigenous nuclear submarine, the Arihant."

Indian express: Rafale fighter jet deal- what does it mean for india? (Can't post links)

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

India likely to get F3 standard Rafale fighter jets

India will place orders for 36 Rafale aircrafts which will be of exact standard which were tested by Indian air force under MMRCA Technical evaluation trials few years back which means it will be of the current production standard which is F3.3.

Dassault is currently manufacturing Rafale fighter jets which are of standard F3.3. Egypt which recently also has placed orders for 24 aircrafts will get Same standard F3.3 Rafales said Dassault officials. F3.3 standard Rafale will be equipped with an active array RBE2 AESA radar from Thales.

About F3.3 standard

F3.3 standard Rafale will be able to carry Reco NG aerial reconnaissance (AREOS) pod and 3rd generation Multifunction Targeting pod ” Damocles ” both which have been developed by Thales. ability to carry French ASMP-A air-launched nuclear missiles is irrelevant to export customers like India and Egypt and that capability will be taken off the fighters for India.

The f3.3 standard also gives Rafale ability to carry Scalp-Storm Shadow cruise missiles for Deep strike roles. Buddy-buddy in-flight refuelling. In Close air support roles use of laser-guided bombs, AASM and GBU-49 GPS-guided bombs along with Mica IR/EM missiles for Interception and air-to-air combat roles.

Delivery Schedules

After bagging order from Egypt, Dassault had planned to increase current annual production line of 11 aircrafts per year to 30 over next few years. India’s delivery schedule is still under negotiation and Defence minister Manohar Parrikar already has said that Indian Air force will start getting Rafale jets in next two years.

Future Rafale “F3 R” standard launched

Earlier last year French government and Dassault Aviation have agreed to start work on “F3 R” standard which will bring further upgrades to F3.3 standard. F3 R will feature software enhancements to make full use of the RBE2-AA radar, Meteor long-range air-to-air missile integration, SBU-64 dual-mode laser/GPS AASM smart bomb integration, improvements to Thales SPECTRA self-defence system, an Identification Friend or Foe interrogator/transponder with full Mode-5/ Mode-S-compatibility , New“F3 R” standard Rafales will enter production from 2018 on-wards.

Source:- India likely to get F3 standard Rafale fighter jets | idrw.org
Rafale Fighter Jets Will Be Inducted Into Air Force in 2 Years: Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

 

[Bullet500]

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[45'22']

I dont think you can change the RFP like this. According to the following article we will be getting 36 (G-G contract) + 126 (according to MMRCA tender). Otherwise scarp the contract altogether and go for more G-G order.

Another interesting speculation made by the author is-
"This has led to whispers of some other high-end defence technology transfers from France as a quid pro quo for this deal. One such technology being spoken about is the reactor for the Ship Submersible Ballistic Nuclear (SSBN) Submarine; India is currently in the process of making its first indigenous nuclear submarine, the Arihant."

Indian express: Rafale fighter jet deal- what does it mean for india? (Can't post links)

Arihant is already completed and we are doing fine with the 83MW pressurized reactor.....even we are making an 125MW reactor AFAIK .....
I don't know what you said is true or just speculation

On Rafale......I think since its a G2G deal we can make certain changes.......if what you said is true then we will hear something about the 2 deals together.....if they keep it separate then it's as good as scrapped