India to Borrow and Spend More in 2010-2011

[RiazHaq]

Now what is Pakistan's story?

In spite of all its serious problems, Pakistan is ahead of India in terms food, clothing, shelter, and basic sanitation for its people.

Clothing:

According to Werner International, Pakistan's per capita consumption of textile fibers is about 4 Kg versus 2.8 Kg for India. Global average is 6.8 Kg and the industrialized countries' average consumption is 17 Kg per person per per year.

Shelter:

There is widespread homelessness in India, with a population 7 times larger than Pakistan's, with the urgent need for 72 million housing units, ten times more than Pakistan, too, has a housing crisis and needs about 7 million additional housing units, according to the data presented at the World Bank Regional Conference on Housing last year.

India might be an emerging economic power, but it is way behind Pakistan, Bangladesh and even Afghanistan in providing basic sanitation facilities, a key reason behind the death of 2.1 million children under five in the country.

Lizette Burgers, chief of water and environment sanitation of the Unicef, recently said India is making progress in providing sanitation but it lags behind most of the other countries in South Asia. A former Indian minister Mr Raghuvansh Prasad Singh told the BBC that more than 65% of India's rural population defecated in the open, along roadsides, railway tracks and fields, generating huge amounts of excrement every day.

As an example, let's compare India's largest slum Dharavi with Pakistan's Orangi Town. The fact is that Orangi is nothing like Dharavi in terms of the quality of its housing or the services available to its residents. While Dharavi has only one toilet per 1440 residents and most of its residents use Mahim Creek, a local river, for urination and defecation, Orangi has an elaborate sanitation system built by its citizens. Under Orangi Pilot Project's guidance, between 1981 and 1993 Orangi residents installed sewers serving 72,070 of 94,122 houses. To achieve this, community members spent more than US$2 million of their own money, and OPP invested about US$150,000 in research and extension of new technologies. Orangi pilot project has been admired widely for its work with urban poor.

Haq's Musings: Food, Clothing and Shelter in India and Pakistan

 

[desiman]

In spite of all its serious problems, Pakistan is ahead of India in terms food, clothing, shelter, and basic sanitation for its people.

Clothing:

According to Werner International, Pakistan's per capita consumption of textile fibers is about 4 Kg versus 2.8 Kg for India. Global average is 6.8 Kg and the industrialized countries' average consumption is 17 Kg per person per per year.

Shelter:

There is widespread homelessness in India, with a population 7 times larger than Pakistan's, with the urgent need for 72 million housing units, ten times more than Pakistan, too, has a housing crisis and needs about 7 million additional housing units, according to the data presented at the World Bank Regional Conference on Housing last year.

India might be an emerging economic power, but it is way behind Pakistan, Bangladesh and even Afghanistan in providing basic sanitation facilities, a key reason behind the death of 2.1 million children under five in the country.

Lizette Burgers, chief of water and environment sanitation of the Unicef, recently said India is making progress in providing sanitation but it lags behind most of the other countries in South Asia. A former Indian minister Mr Raghuvansh Prasad Singh told the BBC that more than 65% of India's rural population defecated in the open, along roadsides, railway tracks and fields, generating huge amounts of excrement every day.

As an example, let's compare India's largest slum Dharavi with Pakistan's Orangi Town. The fact is that Orangi is nothing like Dharavi in terms of the quality of its housing or the services available to its residents. While Dharavi has only one toilet per 1440 residents and most of its residents use Mahim Creek, a local river, for urination and defecation, Orangi has an elaborate sanitation system built by its citizens. Under Orangi Pilot Project's guidance, between 1981 and 1993 Orangi residents installed sewers serving 72,070 of 94,122 houses. To achieve this, community members spent more than US$2 million of their own money, and OPP invested about US$150,000 in research and extension of new technologies. Orangi pilot project has been admired widely for its work with urban poor.

Haq's Musings: Food, Clothing and Shelter in India and Pakistan

Alright I dint want to do this and start an India vs Pakistan debate here but this guy stupid musing’s have asked for it. So lets go
Poverty

If you want to compare poverty then Pakistan lacks back in all fronts. If you actually use updated statistics, India has pulled out the second highest number of people out of poverty in the last decade behind China, where on the other Pakistan has fallen even further behind. Since the 1950s, the Indian government and non-governmental organizations have initiated several programs to alleviate poverty, including subsidizing food and other necessities, increased access to loans, improving agricultural techniques and price supports, and promoting education and family planning. These measures have helped eliminate famines, cut absolute poverty levels by more than half, and reduced illiteracy and malnutrition.

Nicholas Stern, vice president of the World Bank, has published defenses of the poverty reduction statistics which you have quoted many times. He argues that increasing globalization and investment opportunities have contributed significantly to the reduction of poverty in the country. India, together with China, have shown the clearest trends of globalization with the accelerated rise in per-capita income.

They project that if India can achieve 7.3% annual growth over the next 20 years, 465 million more people will be lifted out of poverty. Contrary to popular perceptions, rural India has benefited from this growth: extreme rural poverty has declined from 94% in 1985 to 61% in 2005, and they project that it will drop to 26% by 2025. Report concludes that India's economic reforms and the increased growth that has resulted have been the most successful anti-poverty programmes in the country.
You must understand the major reason’s of poverty before you go onto write you idiotic musings.

Some of the basic reasons of rural poverty in India are:
• Unequal distribution of income.
• High population growth.
• Illiteracy.
• Large families.
• Caste system.

The steps taken by government to remove urban poverty are:
• Nehru Rozgar Yojna.
• Prime Minister Rozgar Yojna.
• Urban Basic services for the poor Programme.
• National social Assistance Programme.

These issues are being tackled actively by India but it takes decades for initiated programs to bear fruit. Poverty is not abolished with 1 day or year. It’s a continuous process and the progress that India has made keeping in mind India huge population and often slow system. Rather than quote cleverly from outdated statistics learn to respect the efforts of India and offer suggestions but your hopeless musings. If you a actually research about Poverty rather than copy pasting then this is what you come up with.

Year All India % Rural % Urban%
1973 54.9 56.4 49.0
1978 51.3 53.1 45.2
1983 44.5 45.7 40.8
1988 38.9 39.1 38.2
1994 36.0 37.3 32.4
1999 26.1 27.1 23.6

The government has initiated, sustained, and refined many programs since independence to help the poor attain self sufficiency in food production. Probably the most important initiative has been the supply of basic commodities, particularly food at controlled prices, available throughout the country. The poor spend about 80 percent of their income on food while the rest of the population spends more than 60 percent. The price of food is a major determinant of wage scales. Often when food prices rise sharply, rioting and looting follow. Until the late 1970s, the government frequently had difficulty obtaining adequate grain supplies in years of poor harvests. During those times, states with surpluses of grain were cordoned off to force partial sales to public agencies and to keep private traders from shipping grain to deficit areas to secure very high prices; state governments in surplus-grain areas were often less than cooperative. After the late 1970s, the central government, by holding reserve stocks and importing grain adequately and early, maintained sufficient supplies to meet the increased demand during drought years. It also provided more remunerative prices to farmers.

In rural areas, the government has undertaken programs to mitigate the worst effects of adverse monsoon rainfall, which affects not only farmers but village artisans and traders when the price of grain rises. The government has supplied water by financing well digging and, since the early 1980s, by power-assisted well drilling; rescinded land taxes for drought areas; tried to maintain stable food prices; and provided food through a food-for-work program. The actual work accomplished through food-for-work programs is often a secondary consideration, but useful projects sometimes result. Employment is offered at a low daily wage, usually paid in grain, the rationale being that only the truly needy will take jobs at such low pay.

I can now talk about Pakistan and Poverty but I am not a low level being like you to indulge idiotic posting. I will follow this up with post about malnutrition, education, healthcare etc so that people can see what a liar you are. You statistics are way off and your clever playing with articles is quite obvious. Next time you post try to post something constructive and meaningful, not something just to satisfy your ego.

 

[desiman]

Now lets talk about Dharavi

In expensive Mumbai, Dharavi provides a cheap, but illegal, alternative where rents were as low as 4 US

Dharavi exports goods around the world. The total turnover is estimated to be between 500 million US dollars and over 650 million US dollars per year.

In addition to the traditional pottery and textile industries in Dharavi, there is an increasingly large recycling industry, processing recyclable waste from other parts of Mumbai. Financial services is significant; the district has an estimated 15,000 single-room factories.
An urban redevelopment plan is proposed for the Dharavi area, managed by American-trained architect Mukesh Mehta. The plan involves the construction of 30,000,000 square feet (2,800,000 m2) of housing, schools, parks and roads to serve the existing 57,000 families residing in the area, along with 40,000,000 square feet (3,700,000 m2) of residential and commercial space for sale. There has been significant local opposition to the plans, largely because existing residents are due to receive only 225 square feet (20.9 m2) of land each. Furthermore, only those families who lived in the area before the year 2000 are slated for resettlement. Concerns have also been raised by residents who fear that some of their small businesses in the "informal" sector may not be relocated under the redevelopment plan. The government has said that it will only legalize and relocate industries that are not "polluting."

You have very conveniently cut out parts that praise Dharavi for its brilliance and huge entrepreneurial base. In fact if one would research Orangi on the internet, your musing is one of the only articles that compare both Orangi and Dharavi and justify somehow the Orangi is better. That shows what kind of a low life you are really. I feel sad for you, maybe you should learn how to live from the people of Dharavi first before you compare them with anyone.

 

[karan.1970]

It's interesting to see you comparing to Pakistan in reserves while ignoring the widespread hunger, poverty, malnutrition and rampant open defecation that characterize "Shining India" today.

What good is you $250 billion in reserve when there is a food emergency in your country, and you are not spending it to save your starving children? I think it's shameful!

hmm.. changing topic when running out of arguements?? We were talking external debt and India's credit rating and chances of default.. werent we?? But I am not surprised.. Have come to expect this from you..

 

[desiman]

hmm.. changing topic when running out of arguements?? We were talking external debt and India's credit rating and chances of default.. werent we?? But I am not surprised.. Have come to expect this from you..

Thats what a person does when they cannot counter an agrument- CHANGE THE TOPIC LOL

 

[RiazHaq]

Poverty

If you want to compare poverty then Pakistan lacks back in all fronts. If you actually use updated statistics, India has pulled out the second highest number of people out of poverty in the last decade behind China, where on the other Pakistan has fallen even further behind. Since the 1950s, the Indian government and non-governmental organizations have initiated several programs to alleviate poverty, including subsidizing food and other necessities, increased access to loans, improving agricultural techniques and price supports, and promoting education and family planning. These measures have helped eliminate famines, cut absolute poverty levels by more than half, and reduced illiteracy and malnutrition.

Britain will spend over $1.5 billion during the next three years in aid to Shining India, a nuclear-armed power that sent a spacecraft to the moon recently, to lift "hundreds of millions of people" out of poverty, the British secretary of state for international development said last November, according to the Guardian newspaper.

Douglas Alexander, the first cabinet minister to visit India's poorest state Bihar, said that despite "real strides in economic growth" there were still 828 million people living on less than $2 a day in India.

UK's Department of International Development says if the UN's millennium development goals - alleviating extreme poverty, reducing child mortality rates and fighting epidemics such as Aids - are left unmet in India, they will not be met worldwide. Some 43% of children go hungry and a woman dies in childbirth every five minutes.

British Minister Alexander contrasted the rapid growth in China with India's economic success - highlighting government figures that showed the number of poor people had dropped in the one-party communist state by 70% since 1990 but had risen in the world's biggest democracy by 5%.

India, often described as peaceful, stable and prosperous in the Western media, remains home to the largest number of poor and hungry people in the world. About one-third of the world's poor people live in India. More than 450 million Indians exist on less than $1.25 a day, according to the World Bank. It also has a higher proportion of its population living on less than $2 per day than even sub-Saharan Africa. India has about 42% of the population living below the new international poverty line of $1.25 per day. The number of Indian poor also constitute 33% of the global poor, which is pegged at 1.4 billion people, according to a Times of India news report. More than 6 million of those desperately poor Indians live in Mumbai alone, representing about half the residents of the nation's financial capital. They live in super-sized slums and improvised housing juxtaposed with the shining new skyscrapers that symbolize India's resurgence. According to the World Bank and the UN Development Program (UNDP), 22% of Pakistan's population is classified as poor.

Haq's Musings: Can Congress Deliver in India?

 

[desiman]

Britain will spend over $1.5 billion during the next three years in aid to Shining India, a nuclear-armed power that sent a spacecraft to the moon recently, to lift "hundreds of millions of people" out of poverty, the British secretary of state for international development said last November, according to the Guardian newspaper.

Douglas Alexander, the first cabinet minister to visit India's poorest state Bihar, said that despite "real strides in economic growth" there were still 828 million people living on less than $2 a day in India.

UK's Department of International Development says if the UN's millennium development goals - alleviating extreme poverty, reducing child mortality rates and fighting epidemics such as Aids - are left unmet in India, they will not be met worldwide. Some 43% of children go hungry and a woman dies in childbirth every five minutes.

British Minister Alexander contrasted the rapid growth in China with India's economic success - highlighting government figures that showed the number of poor people had dropped in the one-party communist state by 70% since 1990 but had risen in the world's biggest democracy by 5%.

India, often described as peaceful, stable and prosperous in the Western media, remains home to the largest number of poor and hungry people in the world. About one-third of the world's poor people live in India. More than 450 million Indians exist on less than $1.25 a day, according to the World Bank. It also has a higher proportion of its population living on less than $2 per day than even sub-Saharan Africa. India has about 42% of the population living below the new international poverty line of $1.25 per day. The number of Indian poor also constitute 33% of the global poor, which is pegged at 1.4 billion people, according to a Times of India news report. More than 6 million of those desperately poor Indians live in Mumbai alone, representing about half the residents of the nation's financial capital. They live in super-sized slums and improvised housing juxtaposed with the shining new skyscrapers that symbolize India's resurgence. According to the World Bank and the UN Development Program (UNDP), 22% of Pakistan's population is classified as poor.

Haq's Musings: Can Congress Deliver in India?

still a very poor post with again outdated statistics, can you ever post something that is correct. You still haven’t answered even one question that i asked and you continue to change the topic on leisurely basis whenever you do not have answer. Very poor posting, you seem to enjoy the subject of poverty a lot. Please post something constructive or don’t waste your time. Check your statistics before posting, you are playing with articles as well was posting outdates stats deliberately again and again which is morally wrong let alone against forum rules.

 

[Bombay]

Britain will spend over $1.5 billion during the next three years in aid to Shining India, a nuclear-armed power that sent a spacecraft to the moon recently, to lift "hundreds of millions of people" out of poverty, the British secretary of state for international development said last November, according to the Guardian newspaper.

Douglas Alexander, the first cabinet minister to visit India's poorest state Bihar, said that despite "real strides in economic growth" there were still 828 million people living on less than $2 a day in India.

UK's Department of International Development says if the UN's millennium development goals - alleviating extreme poverty, reducing child mortality rates and fighting epidemics such as Aids - are left unmet in India, they will not be met worldwide. Some 43% of children go hungry and a woman dies in childbirth every five minutes.

British Minister Alexander contrasted the rapid growth in China with India's economic success - highlighting government figures that showed the number of poor people had dropped in the one-party communist state by 70% since 1990 but had risen in the world's biggest democracy by 5%.

India, often described as peaceful, stable and prosperous in the Western media, remains home to the largest number of poor and hungry people in the world. About one-third of the world's poor people live in India. More than 450 million Indians exist on less than $1.25 a day, according to the World Bank. It also has a higher proportion of its population living on less than $2 per day than even sub-Saharan Africa. India has about 42% of the population living below the new international poverty line of $1.25 per day. The number of Indian poor also constitute 33% of the global poor, which is pegged at 1.4 billion people, according to a Times of India news report. More than 6 million of those desperately poor Indians live in Mumbai alone, representing about half the residents of the nation's financial capital. They live in super-sized slums and improvised housing juxtaposed with the shining new skyscrapers that symbolize India's resurgence. According to the World Bank and the UN Development Program (UNDP), 22% of Pakistan's population is classified as poor.

Haq's Musings: Can Congress Deliver in India?

So your point is? Pakistan is better than India?

First of all "British aid". It is not aid. Aid is what Pakistan gets from it's donors like US, China, etc. This is disguised money to fund UK backed NGOs in India.

Secondly I hope you can understand graphs. Here is one


Poverty Reduction, Poverty in India, Below poverty line population

Did you see that line with a negative slope? Yes? It means that it is decreasing, not increasing like you said.

And this is about Pakistan. It is from your Government's Planning Commission Report

Now the Red line has a positive slope, which means that it is increasing. Did you see the difference between two graphs? It means the poverty in India consistently decreased, whereas Pakistan's poverty decreased only for the period when it was getting aid from US during Soviet war.

So who depends upon aid?

Also you talked about increase of prices in India, and their affect on poor. Though it's true that India is suffering from inflation right now, but it compares at no level to your's

Now, about population suffering from hunger. See this table


Hunger haunts more than 20% in India, much of Asia: ADB report | Microfinance News

People who made these are more professional than you and me. So dont point at their authenticity. And do some research before replying this time.

Thanks.

 

[Justin Joseph]

This guy riaz haq always escapes,

Is this a economic section?????

sir Riaz haq can u tell me why are u spamming India defense section???

How many times Mods have to remind member to post in relevant sections????????

 

[Justin Joseph]

Moreover, why are u having stomach ache for India, you should be more concern about your own country.

And for ur kind information even USA borrows and Americans are biggest borrowers on earth so should they fell ashamed about it.

Evan I have taken loan of more than 1 crore and returned majority of it, by end of this year i will be free from installments and i have already multiplied that 1 crore so should I be ashamed of my achievements, In your superior judgment.????

Take a walk it will help you out.

thanks

 

[ARCHON]

Britain will spend over $1.5 billion during the next three years in aid to Shining India, a nuclear-armed power that sent a spacecraft to the moon recently, to lift "hundreds of millions of people" out of poverty, the British secretary of state for international development said last November, according to the Guardian newspaper.

Douglas Alexander, the first cabinet minister to visit India's poorest state Bihar, said that despite "real strides in economic growth" there were still 828 million people living on less than $2 a day in India.

UK's Department of International Development says if the UN's millennium development goals - alleviating extreme poverty, reducing child mortality rates and fighting epidemics such as Aids - are left unmet in India, they will not be met worldwide. Some 43% of children go hungry and a woman dies in childbirth every five minutes.

British Minister Alexander contrasted the rapid growth in China with India's economic success - highlighting government figures that showed the number of poor people had dropped in the one-party communist state by 70% since 1990 but had risen in the world's biggest democracy by 5%.

India, often described as peaceful, stable and prosperous in the Western media, remains home to the largest number of poor and hungry people in the world. About one-third of the world's poor people live in India. More than 450 million Indians exist on less than $1.25 a day, according to the World Bank. It also has a higher proportion of its population living on less than $2 per day than even sub-Saharan Africa. India has about 42% of the population living below the new international poverty line of $1.25 per day. The number of Indian poor also constitute 33% of the global poor, which is pegged at 1.4 billion people, according to a Times of India news report. More than 6 million of those desperately poor Indians live in Mumbai alone, representing about half the residents of the nation's financial capital. They live in super-sized slums and improvised housing juxtaposed with the shining new skyscrapers that symbolize India's resurgence. According to the World Bank and the UN Development Program (UNDP), 22% of Pakistan's population is classified as poor.

Haq's Musings: Can Congress Deliver in India?

Can somebody provide him the details of Aid India provided to various poor countries and that too in bold letters so that he can read it clearly..



I dont know why people are obsessed with the poverty percentage.. its highlighted that majority of people live under 2 dollors a day wage.


You know how much a 2 dollars is?? it is 90 Indian rupees.. with it you can buy your breakfast, lunch and dinner in any Indian city and people are saying all are without food adn blah blah blah

You know what a 2 dollar can get u in UK ?? a can of pepsi...

 

[su-47]

Mr. Haq, people living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. India has massive poverty, but we are making a lot of progress reducing that poverty. Pakistan on the other hand hasn't done much in the last few years. yet you don't see Indians harping on about poverty in Pakistan. Instead we talk of lifting our people out of poverty.

You never seem to see anything good about India. If you are going to talk about something, learn to look at it from all aspects before blithering like an idiot. If you want to talk about poverty in India, then also talk about progress made to date. Don't cut and paste parts that suit your views.

maybe you should stop musing on India and start musing on how to reduce poverty in Pakistan. We can take care of ourselves without your concern.

 

[kumar_V1.0]

Mr. Haq, people living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. India has massive poverty, but we are making a lot of progress reducing that poverty. Pakistan on the other hand hasn't done much in the last few years. yet you don't see Indians harping on about poverty in Pakistan. Instead we talk of lifting our people out of poverty.

You never seem to see anything good about India. If you are going to talk about something, learn to look at it from all aspects before blithering like an idiot. If you want to talk about poverty in India, then also talk about progress made to date. Don't cut and paste parts that suit your views.

maybe you should stop musing on India and start musing on how to reduce poverty in Pakistan. We can take care of ourselves without your concern.

This guy is expert on Indian affairs, he doesn't find anything worthwhile about Pakistan to write.

 

[karan.1970]

This guy is expert on Indian affairs, he doesn't find anything worthwhile about Pakistan to write.

hmm.. interesting observation.. A pakistani living in USA (hated by most Pakistanis) and writing all the time about India (hated by most Pakistanis). There definitely seems to be a job for Freud somewhere in Haq Land..

 

[desiman]

hmm.. interesting observation.. A pakistani living in USA (hated by most Pakistanis) and writing all the time about India (hated by most Pakistanis). There definitely seems to be a job for Freud somewhere in Haq Land..

surely sucks to be him lol hated by everyone