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Yet another prescient article from six years ago...

India the Superpower? Think again

NEW YORK (Fortune) -- Plug in the words "India" and "superpower" into an Internet search engine and it's happy to oblige - with 1.3 million hits. I confess that I did not check each one, but I suspect that almost all of these entries date from the last couple of years.

This is understandable. For the first time ever, India has posted four straight years of 8 percent growth; since it cracked open its economy in 1991, it has averaged growth of 6 percent a year - not in the same league as China, but twice the derisory "Hindu rate of growth" that had marked the first 45 years of independence.

India has gone nuclear, and even gotten the United States to accept that status. Its movies are crossing over to become international hits. The recent $11.3 billion takeover of Corus by Mumbai-based Tata Steel was the biggest acquisition ever by an Indian firm.

No wonder the idea of India as the next superpower is fast becoming conventional wisdom. "Our Time is Now," asserts The Times of India. And in an October survey by the Chicago Council on World Affairs, Indians said they saw their country as the second most influential in the world.

Sorry: India is not a superpower, and in fact, that is probably the wrong ambition for it, anyway. Why? Let me answer in the form of some statistics.

47 percent of Indian children under the age of five are either malnourished or stunted.
The adult literacy rate is 61 percent (behind Rwanda and barely ahead of Sudan). Even this is probably overstated, as people are deemed literate who can do little more than sign their name.
Only 10 percent of the entire Indian labor force works in the formal economy; of these fewer than half are in the private sector.
The enrollment of six-to-15-year-olds in school has actually declined in the last year. About 40 million children who are supposed to be in school are not.
About a fifth of the population is chronically hungry; about half of the world's hungry live in India.
More than a quarter of the India population lives on less than a dollar a day.
India has more people with HIV than any other country.
(Sources: UNDP, Unicef, World Food Program; Edward Luce)
You get the idea.

The 2006 UN Human Development Report, which ranks countries according to a variety of measures of human health and welfare, placed India 126th out of 177 countries. India was only a few places ahead of rival Pakistan (134th) and hapless Cambodia (129) and behind such not-about-to-be-superpowers as Equatorial Guinea (120), and Tajikistan (122).

As these and other numbers suggest, Indian triumphalism (a notable 126,000 hits on Google) is not only premature, it is misguided. Yes, growth has been brisk, and of course growth is necessary to make a dent in poverty. But as Edward Luce, author of the excellent, "In Spite of the Gods: The Strange Rise of Modern India," noted in a recent talk, poverty in India is not falling nearly as fast as its brisk rate of growth might anticipate.

The reason for this is that Indian growth has been capital-intensive, driven by the growth in high-value services such as IT. This is a good thing, but what it does not do is create stable and reasonably paid employment for not particularly skilled people - and this matters a lot, considering eight to 10 million Indians enter the labor force every year. Luce estimates that there are 7 million Indians working in the formal manufacturing sector in India - and 100 million in China.

India is awash in private equity
To look at it another way, the 1 million Indians working in IT account for less than one-half of one percent of the entire working population. This helps build reserves (and national confidence, and tax revenues) but is not the poverty buster that labor-intensive development is. As Prime Minister Singh told Luce, "Our biggest single problem is the lack of jobs for ordinary people."

The problem with India's self-proclaimed (and wildly premature) declaration of superpower status is that it reflects a complacency about both its present - which for many people is dire - and its future. Eight percent growth for four years is wonderful, but as the saying goes, past performance is no guarantee of future results. And India is not doing what it needs to in order to sustain this momentum.

Consider the postwar history of East and Southeast Asia. The comparison is appropriate because India started at about the same point, and has watched just about every country in the region get ahead of it on the economic curve. All these places developed by being relatively open to trade; by investing in primary and secondary education; and by building pretty decent infrastructure (not only roads and ports, but health clinics and water supplies). India has begun to embrace one leg of this triangle - freer trade.

Wireless Wonder: India's Sunil Mittal
Even here, though, many of the worst features of the swadeshi ("self-reliance") era remain intact, including an unreformed state banking sector; labor regulations that actively discourage hiring; abstruse land laws (and consequent lack of land titles); misshapen subsidies that hurt the poor; and corruption that is broad, deep and ubiquitous. Nothing useful is being done about any of this.

As for the other two legs of this development triangle - education and infrastructure - these are still badly broken. About a third of teachers fail to show up on any given day (and, of course, are unsackable); the supply of both water and power is expensive and unreliable.

These facts of life too often go unremarked in the current euphoria about the state of the nation. "We no longer discuss the future of India," Commerce Minister Kamal Nath told the Financial Times in a typical comment. "The future is India."

Hubris, of course, is the stuff of politics everywhere. But the future will not belong to India unless it takes action to embrace it, and that means more than high-profile vanity projects like putting a man on the moon or building the world�s tallest tower. It means showing that the world's largest democracy can deliver real progress to the hundreds of millions who have never used the phone, much less the Internet. And in important ways, that just isn't happening.

India has many reasons to be proud, but considering it remains a world leader in hunger, stunting and HIV, its waxing self-satisfaction seems sadly beside the point.
 
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So the point that you are trying to make is ?
 
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Yet another prescient article from six years ago...

India the Superpower? Think again

NEW YORK (Fortune) -- Plug in the words "India" and "superpower" into an Internet search engine and it's happy to oblige - with 1.3 million hits. I confess that I did not check each one, but I suspect that almost all of these entries date from the last couple of years.

This is understandable. For the first time ever, India has posted four straight years of 8 percent growth; since it cracked open its economy in 1991, it has averaged growth of 6 percent a year - not in the same league as China, but twice the derisory "Hindu rate of growth" that had marked the first 45 years of independence.

India has gone nuclear, and even gotten the United States to accept that status. Its movies are crossing over to become international hits. The recent $11.3 billion takeover of Corus by Mumbai-based Tata Steel was the biggest acquisition ever by an Indian firm.

No wonder the idea of India as the next superpower is fast becoming conventional wisdom. "Our Time is Now," asserts The Times of India. And in an October survey by the Chicago Council on World Affairs, Indians said they saw their country as the second most influential in the world.

Sorry: India is not a superpower, and in fact, that is probably the wrong ambition for it, anyway. Why? Let me answer in the form of some statistics.

47 percent of Indian children under the age of five are either malnourished or stunted.
The adult literacy rate is 61 percent (behind Rwanda and barely ahead of Sudan). Even this is probably overstated, as people are deemed literate who can do little more than sign their name.
Only 10 percent of the entire Indian labor force works in the formal economy; of these fewer than half are in the private sector.
The enrollment of six-to-15-year-olds in school has actually declined in the last year. About 40 million children who are supposed to be in school are not.
About a fifth of the population is chronically hungry; about half of the world's hungry live in India.
More than a quarter of the India population lives on less than a dollar a day.
India has more people with HIV than any other country.
(Sources: UNDP, Unicef, World Food Program; Edward Luce)
You get the idea.

The 2006 UN Human Development Report, which ranks countries according to a variety of measures of human health and welfare, placed India 126th out of 177 countries. India was only a few places ahead of rival Pakistan (134th) and hapless Cambodia (129) and behind such not-about-to-be-superpowers as Equatorial Guinea (120), and Tajikistan (122).

As these and other numbers suggest, Indian triumphalism (a notable 126,000 hits on Google) is not only premature, it is misguided. Yes, growth has been brisk, and of course growth is necessary to make a dent in poverty. But as Edward Luce, author of the excellent, "In Spite of the Gods: The Strange Rise of Modern India," noted in a recent talk, poverty in India is not falling nearly as fast as its brisk rate of growth might anticipate.

The reason for this is that Indian growth has been capital-intensive, driven by the growth in high-value services such as IT. This is a good thing, but what it does not do is create stable and reasonably paid employment for not particularly skilled people - and this matters a lot, considering eight to 10 million Indians enter the labor force every year. Luce estimates that there are 7 million Indians working in the formal manufacturing sector in India - and 100 million in China.

India is awash in private equity
To look at it another way, the 1 million Indians working in IT account for less than one-half of one percent of the entire working population. This helps build reserves (and national confidence, and tax revenues) but is not the poverty buster that labor-intensive development is. As Prime Minister Singh told Luce, "Our biggest single problem is the lack of jobs for ordinary people."

The problem with India's self-proclaimed (and wildly premature) declaration of superpower status is that it reflects a complacency about both its present - which for many people is dire - and its future. Eight percent growth for four years is wonderful, but as the saying goes, past performance is no guarantee of future results. And India is not doing what it needs to in order to sustain this momentum.

Consider the postwar history of East and Southeast Asia. The comparison is appropriate because India started at about the same point, and has watched just about every country in the region get ahead of it on the economic curve. All these places developed by being relatively open to trade; by investing in primary and secondary education; and by building pretty decent infrastructure (not only roads and ports, but health clinics and water supplies). India has begun to embrace one leg of this triangle - freer trade.

Wireless Wonder: India's Sunil Mittal
Even here, though, many of the worst features of the swadeshi ("self-reliance") era remain intact, including an unreformed state banking sector; labor regulations that actively discourage hiring; abstruse land laws (and consequent lack of land titles); misshapen subsidies that hurt the poor; and corruption that is broad, deep and ubiquitous. Nothing useful is being done about any of this.

As for the other two legs of this development triangle - education and infrastructure - these are still badly broken. About a third of teachers fail to show up on any given day (and, of course, are unsackable); the supply of both water and power is expensive and unreliable.

These facts of life too often go unremarked in the current euphoria about the state of the nation. "We no longer discuss the future of India," Commerce Minister Kamal Nath told the Financial Times in a typical comment. "The future is India."

Hubris, of course, is the stuff of politics everywhere. But the future will not belong to India unless it takes action to embrace it, and that means more than high-profile vanity projects like putting a man on the moon or building the world�s tallest tower. It means showing that the world's largest democracy can deliver real progress to the hundreds of millions who have never used the phone, much less the Internet. And in important ways, that just isn't happening.

India has many reasons to be proud, but considering it remains a world leader in hunger, stunting and HIV, its waxing self-satisfaction seems sadly beside the point.

Who is a superpower today? Certainly not the US with its fake debt based economy and counterfeit currency prints. The US is involved in a huge con game of getting resources and goods for its counterfeit currency. Consters are not super powers.
 
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This is understandable. For the first time ever, India has posted four straight years of 8 percent growth; since it cracked open its economy in 1991, it has averaged growth of 6 percent a year - not in the same league as China, but twice the derisory "Hindu rate of growth" that had marked the first 45 years of independence.

Which has now fallen to 4.4% growth, and that was before the recent collapse of the Rupee as well.

But ask any Indian here, and they STILL believe that "India is going to surpass China's growth rate".

Nothing wrong with being optimistic, but it helps to actually sort out your economic policies.

Instead of this rather excessive form of socialism that we are seeing now:

Rahul Gandhi: Eat full roti, work for 100 days, vote for Congress - Times Of India

India's socialist schemes are the biggest in the entire world (I heard of FSB and NEGRA on this forum), but where are the productivity reforms that will allow the country to pay for them?

Everything is given free, but all of it is paid for with borrowed money and debt and deficit. The result is that India has by FAR the largest trade deficit and fiscal/budget deficit in the developing world.
 
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Some one is afraid of India becoming super power and India's rise and they are showing their insecurity here :omghaha: :omghaha: :omghaha:.

Surely India is on the path of becoming economic and military power :cheers:

Why would anyone be afraid of that. But its one thing to be confident, another to boast. Most Indians here do not sure confidence, but boasting because of insecurity. And the recent collapsed of rupee answered why. Indian rise is built upon shaky foundations and the house of cards can all crumbling down at any time.
 
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Which has now fallen to 4.4% growth, and that was before the recent collapse of the Rupee as well.

But ask any Indian here, and they STILL believe that "India is going to surpass China's growth rate".

Nothing wrong with being optimistic, but it helps to actually sort out your economic policies.

Instead of this rather excessive form of socialism that we are seeing now:

Rahul Gandhi: Eat full roti, work for 100 days, vote for Congress - Times Of India

India's socialist schemes are the biggest in the entire world (I heard of FSB and NEGRA on this forum), but where are the productivity reforms that will allow the country to pay for them?

Everything is given free, but all of it is paid for with borrowed money and debt and deficit.

All this will change when BJP comes to power. We dont want citizens to become soul dead pet animals by giving free food.
 
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All this will change when BJP comes to power. We dont want citizens to become soul dead pet animals by giving free food.

This is not likely. People who are hungry will sell their vote for a warm dinner for their family on election night. And congress has wide reach to these people, the majority of Indians.

Democracy is not suitable for India today, not when most people are hungry.
 
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All this will change when BJP comes to power. We dont want citizens to become soul dead pet animals by giving free food.

BJP can't reverse any of those schemes, they are cleverly designed from a populist angle that no future government would dare to overturn them.

When I see those policies I wonder to myself, is the Congress party on foreign payroll trying deliberately to destroy India's economy?

ManMohan Singh is a highly-educated economist, surely he knows the right thing to do, but he isn't doing it.
 
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Why would anyone be afraid of that. But its one thing to be confident, another to boast. Most Indians here do not sure confidence, but boasting because of insecurity. And the recent collapsed of rupee answered why. Indian rise is built upon shaky foundations and the house of cards can all crumbling down at any time.

Rupee depreciation is not a disaster but a ploy by GOI, If we can keep the inflation low it will be advantage India. Already depreciation is showing its affect as the trade deficit got reduced, with the increase of exports and decline of imports.

As time progress our local industry will grow and economy will be good and strong :cheers:
 
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Why would anyone be afraid of that. But its one thing to be confident, another to boast. Most Indians here do not sure confidence, but boasting because of insecurity. And the recent collapsed of rupee answered why. Indian rise is built upon shaky foundations and the house of cards can all crumbling down at any time.

India has no desire to become a super power and cannot be one under any circumstances. The Indian civilization has always been insular and has never projected military power. However, we have been in the forefront in projection of soft power through the medium of religion and ideas and that is what our civilizational goal is, along with providing a decent living to the Indians, and being strong enough to foil adventurism by hostile countries.
 
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Chinese historically have not wanted war, while Pakistanis have donation boxes for Kashmir jihad in every street (check out the BBC article that talked about this). Although China has been aggressive lately, and some mountain/strike corps have been raised to exclusively deal with this.
The Crossed the border many time and went back, you did nothing.. I Think The Indian War machine does have some weak points etc in the Northern border. Whether they are beaurocratic hurdles or delays or maybe even Political lack of will. Maybe because of Lack of political or national consensus on who is the real threat!
 
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All this will change when BJP comes to power. We dont want citizens to become soul dead pet animals by giving free food.

Any such attempt will be seen as anti poor and in a country where poverty is worshipped a sure way to loose votes.
 
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